Sola Scriptura 2

[Ziggy]

HOLD THE LINE MY FRIENDS . The trogan horse of false peace has arrived .
They gonna use this ziggy . This is what some call proxy . THEY KNOW . THEY KNOW what is going on
at our border , both sides will surrender to the solution . BOTH SIDES WILL . the conservative and the liberal will go with the solution .
THEY NEED FEAR to move their one world order . Just as they used corona they will use this too ZIGGY .
THEY KNEW . THEY always knew what would come through our borders . THEY WANT THIS ZIGGY
so they can use it to cause MORE FEAR . THEY HAVE A SOLUTION . THEY WANT WORLD POWER and TOTAL CONTROL
and FIVE G IS GONNA GIVE THEM THAT .

Yeah so,
What is our defence Brother??!!
You know it, I know it..

LOVE... All these sheep coming to the slaughter.. these be those fields with all the ears showing.. harvest time.

How shall we greet them brother? In fear or in mercy?

We know the government will not save us. The CHURCH will!
WE HAVE TO RISE AND SHINE

BE THAT LIGHT!

No matter what they bring at us, The LORD is on our side!

What we do in this hour...
shall we love or hate?
have we become so callous of peoples origens and colors and clothing...
They are mixing the good fruit with the bad fruit.
Many coming are very GOOD people.
There are bad grapes among them.

MERCY..
we NEED MERCY
And help them so they come to us and not to the government.
WIN THEIR HEARTS!

WE MUST TRY
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

There is not . Give us of your oil , but no . THey should have COME TO JESUS . THEY SHOULD have LOVED those bibles .
Only GOD can change a heart . And if folks are coming to another gospel and another jesus , THEY AINT GONNA MAKE IT .

That's true but Jesus is the keeper of the door.
I don't know why I had a thought about Rahab...
she let down the rope.
kind of like lot, one in a million.
Both clean and unclean were on that ark though..

The Lord will have mercy and not sacrifice...
Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

they did not know the hour, they were not wise...
what of those that did know, or those that were wise?

Something, spreadin bread upon the waters..
I'm tired..
Hugs

 

[amigo de christo]

Yeah so,
What is our defence Brother??!!
You know it, I know it..

LOVE... All these sheep coming to the slaughter.. these be those fields with all the ears showing.. harvest time.

How shall we greet them brother? In fear or in mercy?

We know the government will not save us. The CHURCH will!
WE HAVE TO RISE AND SHINE

BE THAT LIGHT!

No matter what they bring at us, The LORD is on our side!

What we do in this hour...
shall we love or hate?
have we become so callous of peoples origens and colors and clothing...
They are mixing the good fruit with the bad fruit.
Many coming are very GOOD people.
There are bad grapes among them.

MERCY..
we NEED MERCY
And help them so they come to us and not to the government.
WIN THEIR HEARTS!

WE MUST TRY
Hugs

exactly ziggy . JUST CLING TO JESUS and POINT THE FOLKS TO HIM .

 

[Ziggy]

exactly ziggy . JUST CLING TO JESUS and POINT THE FOLKS TO HIM .

Doing the best I can with what I got

HUGS

 

[Mungo]

@amigo de christo
@Ziggy

It doesn't matter what the topic is you have to pile in with your nasty anti-Catholic bile.

Does it make you feel better to abuse the largest groups of Christian in the world?#

Don't bother replying I'm putting you both on ignore.

 

[Ziggy]

@amigo de christo
@Ziggy

It doesn't matter what the topic is you have to pile in with your nasty anti-Catholic bile.

Does it make you feel better to abuse the largest groups of Christian in the world?#

Don't bother replying I'm putting you both on ignore.

Seeing I'm on ignore then you won't mind me saying..
I love you, not your religion.
HUGS

 

[robert derrick]

You completely failed to answer my questions just as you have completely failed to provide scripture that proves Sola Scriptura.

You fail to believe me. That is all. Which is fine. I don't need you believe me, nor the Bible I read as being all Scripture.

You also stumble all over yourself about the Bible being all Scripture.

First you doubt any Bible today can be all Scripture, because the original manuscripts no longer exist. Then you claim to believe the Bible to be all Scripture, when you are directly asked. Then when asked about proving all tradition by the Bible, because it is all Scripture, you return to doubting the Bible to be all Scripture, because of no more original manuscripts.

Sola Scriptura begins with the Bible today being all Scripture, because once that is agreed to, the Bible becomes the true authority of proving all other things, whether written or oral, as true of the God of the Bible, because it is all Scripture.

 

[robert derrick]

God's words are more than those recorded in scripture as I showed in post #37.
The Catholic Church calls Sacred Tradition (or just Tradition) that which was passed on orally. Note the capital "T" to distinguish it from tradition with a small "t" which are those human customs and practices that arise and may change or disappear over time.

Both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition are part of the "Deposit of Faith" handed on by the apostles.
From the Catechism of The Catholic Church para 76
In keeping with the Lord's command, the Gospel was handed on in two ways:
- orally "by the apostles who handed on, by the spoken word of their preaching, by the example they gave, by the institutions they established, what they themselves had received - whether from the lips of Christ, from his way of life and his works, or whether they had learned it at the prompting of the Holy Spirit";
- in writing "by those apostles and other men associated with the apostles who, under the inspiration of the same Holy Spirit, committed the message of salvation to writing"

Sola Scriptura: If any oral does not agree with the written, then the oral is false, because all the written is true.

Oral can be called Scared by anyone, but only that which the written agrees with is Sacred to God.

 

[robert derrick]

Luke says that the Bereans were more noble than the Jews, because they searched the Scriptures daily to ensure that Paul was preaching the truth about Christ and Him crucified and resurrected.

This means that the Bereans had total confidence in the Old Testament Scriptures. Apollos was "mighty in the Scriptures", so he had total confidence in them as well. Jesus told the story of the rich man in hell where Abraham told the guy that the rich guy's brothers had Moses and the Prophets and if they didn't believe them, they would not believe even a person rising from the dead to warn them of hell.

When Paul preached the Gospel to the Jews, he used Sola Scriptura. We don't see him using Jewish tradition at all. He didn't use the Scriptures when preaching to the Gentiles, because they had no background in them so quoting the Old Testament would have gone over their heads.

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15 that Christ was crucified according to the Scriptures, and rose again according to the Scriptures. Jesus went right through the Scriptures to show how they spoke to the disciples at Emmaeus. He did not use Jewish or any other tradition to convince them that He was the Messiah who died and rose again so they could believe in Him and be saved.

Jewish or Christian tradition never saved anyone, and never will. Only the Jesus of the Gospels can save. There is no other name under heaven by which anyone can be saved. And the only way we can know the real Jesus is through the Bible and nowhere else.

Amen.

1. They searched the Scriptures to prove the words of Paul. They did not talk among themselves about oral traditions.
2. Apollos was not mighty in oral traditions. Those who have 'strong' oral traditions are of little use to Scripture of truth.
3. Those who doubt the Bible today is all Scripture, because of lost original manuscripts, still would not believe the Bible is all Scripture, even if Moses and the prophets, and the apostles rose from the dead to say so.

Those who don't believe the Bible is all Scripture of God, is because they don't want to. Manuscripts are an intellectual side show with built-in excuse.
4. Jesus and Paul reasoned from the Scriptures that Jesus is indeed the Christ, not from oral traditions.
5. And finally as you say, we are saved and stand by the gospel preached according to the scriptures. No man is saved by believing oral tradition, neither does any man stand in Christ by oral tradition.

And the only way we can know the real Jesus is through the Bible and nowhere else.

The man Christ jesus is according to the Scriptures. A false christ of another gospel is by oral traditions not found in Scripture.

Scriptures make us wise unto salvation. Oral traditions not of Scripture, make us fools unto perdition.

 

[Ziggy]

Prophets.

Prophets don't have a manuscript to read from.
The future events prove the prophecy.
Future proves Past.

Today, if there is a prophet it must align with the written word.
But in the past there was no written word to prove it.
For we walk by faith not by sight.

just things rolling around in my head
hugs

 

[farouk]

it must align with the written word.
But in the past there was no written word to prove it.
For we walk by faith not by sight.

just things rolling around in my head
hugs

@Ziggy Indeed the Lord will not reveal anything that is not in accordance with Scripture. In that sense, revelation is complete; even though we need to meditate and learn more and more about the mind of God as revealed in Scripture.

 

[robert derrick]

And so it all comes down to this:

The guardians of the manuscripts, as the Scribes of old, began to make themselves equal with the writers of the manuscripts, so that the writings of the guardians were made equal with the writings of the manuscripts.

Guardians of the manuscripts became followed as equals of the prophets and apostles. And their writings are believed to be equally wise as Scripture:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man.

The corruptible image of man by traditions made equal to the incorruptible Word of God written in Scripture.

I.e. the scribblings of librarians are believed as equal to Scripture, so that their traditions must 'accompany' Scripture.

Sola Scriptura follows the true shepherd only by believing Scripture only.

Those who reject Sola Scriptura follow foolish librarians, thinking of them as high as that which is written by God. (1 Cor 4:6)

 

[robert derrick]

They say that their written and oral traditions must accompany the Scriptures, that the Word of God can be complete.

We are saved by the Gospel preached according the Scriptures, when we believe the Word of God by hearing of faith.

Therefore, their oral and written traditions are made necessary to salvation, even as things that accompany salvation:

But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

The oral and written traditions are not just innocent bystanders of the faith. They are necessary to be saved, so that if they are not believed as Scripture, then one cannot be saved.

They were called heretics that refused their oral and written traditions, when they were rejected as not proven by Scripture to be true.

They do not want to just enlighten us about their traditions, they declare we must be saved by them.

 

[Ziggy]

@Ziggy Indeed the Lord will not reveal anything that is not in accordance with Scripture. In that sense, revelation is complete; even though we need to meditate and learn more and more about the mind of God as revealed in Scripture.

Is it the same revelation for all ages?
There was Malachi before the great and terrible day.
That is that age.
Before that age, .. Malachi is in the age of Moses.
Before Moses was Noah, before that Adam

as far as revelations or the "closing of an era"

Is it possible that the book of Revelation we find in the bible is the revelation of that age.
Are we still in that era?
When Peter was quoting your old men shall see visions, your young men dream dreams..
would those visions and dreams go beyond what was wriiten in Revelations.

What was, what is, what is to come..
but always what is to come is shadowed by the unknowing, it's not here yet.
are there prophets today, not going outside the scope of Revelation, but able to bring more clarity to it, as the day draws near?

I find the bible has a way of expanding like that.
every book is more detailed from the last.
only today we're not writing the next testament or the next psalm or the next proverb,
OT (yesterday) NT (Today) ?? (tomorrow)

I wonder what tomorrows book will look like..
The one God holds in his hand with our names written in it.
I wonder how that will read...

im tired lol
hugs

 

[Ziggy]

And so it all comes down to this:

The guardians of the manuscripts, as the Scribes of old, began to make themselves equal with the writers of the manuscripts, so that the writings of the guardians were made equal with the writings of the manuscripts.

Guardians of the manuscripts became followed as equals of the prophets and apostles. And their writings are believed to be equally wise as Scripture:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man.

The corruptible image of man by traditions made equal to the incorruptible Word of God written in Scripture.

I.e. the scribblings of librarians are believed as equal to Scripture, so that their traditions must 'accompany' Scripture.

Sola Scriptura follows the true shepherd only by believing Scripture only.

Those who reject Sola Scriptura follow foolish librarians, thinking of them as high as that which is written by God. (1 Cor 4:6)

Sounds like lawyers trying to figure out the Constitution.
so they write laws to get around other laws, make themselves righteous in their own eyes

 

[Paul Christensen]

Amen.

1. They searched the Scriptures to prove the words of Paul. They did not talk among themselves about oral traditions.
2. Apollos was not mighty in oral traditions. Those who have 'strong' oral traditions are of little use to Scripture of truth.
3. Those who doubt the Bible today is all Scripture, because of lost original manuscripts, still would not believe the Bible is all Scripture, even if Moses and the prophets, and the apostles rose from the dead to say so.

Those who don't believe the Bible is all Scripture of God, is because they don't want to. Manuscripts are an intellectual side show with built-in excuse.
4. Jesus and Paul reasoned from the Scriptures that Jesus is indeed the Christ, not from oral traditions.
5. And finally as you say, we are saved and stand by the gospel preached according to the scriptures. No man is saved by believing oral tradition, neither does any man stand in Christ by oral tradition.

And the only way we can know the real Jesus is through the Bible and nowhere else.

The man Christ jesus is according to the Scriptures. A false christ of another gospel is by oral traditions not found in Scripture.

Scriptures make us wise unto salvation. Oral traditions not of Scripture, make us fools unto perdition.

Alistair Begg, pastor of Parkside church in Cleveland, told the story of a visiting preacher who drew a horizontal line on the whiteboard. Then he drew an arrow above it point up, and another arrow below it pointing down. He explained that the horizontal line was the Word of God in the Scriptures. The arrow pointing up was moving in the direction of extra-Biblical speculation. The arrow pointing down was the descent into liberalism. The point was that we need to keep to the horizontal line if we are to successfully make it to heaven.

We know who the Liberals are. They are the ones who don't believe in a living God, and that there is no Jesus of history who actually rose from the dead, but a "Christ of faith" which can be any type of Christ one chooses. They reduce Christianity to a set of nice and good moral and religious principles (which, in fact, is no Christianity at all). Bishop Spong is the proponent of liberalism, and he and all who follow him are on the road to hell.

Then we have the cults (JWs, Mormons, Christian Science, and others like them. They are moving up and away from the horizontal line to speculation. They are pretty obvious. But the real deceptive ones are the Prosperity Faith preachers who will say they believe the Bible, but are adding stuff to it that is not found in the New Testament, They say that God is giving the new "revelation", updating the Bible. But they are just revisiting history. There are churches that claim to be ones succeeding from the Apostles, and yet are adding tradition to the Scriptures. But their tradition is just speculation which causes them to head away from the horizontal line, and therefore away from the Jesus of the Gospels.

I spent a large part of my Christian life as a Pentecostal, and I still believe in the continuance of the spiritual gifts. But, looking back, I realise that there has been a lot of extra-Biblical speculation concerning how the gifts have been exercised in many Pentecostal and Charismatic churches - to the point where for me, the water is muddied, and I am no longer sure that I can exercise a spiritual gift unless I know beyond doubt that it is the Holy Spirit who is motivating me, and not my own desire to give spiritual advice. Even with the gift of tongues I have had to hold on tight to 1 Corinthians 14:2 as my only evidence that the language I speak to God is what He wants to hear.

But I no longer have the confidence to give prophetic words, or words of knowledge just from an impression, because I don't know if the impression is one of the nine out of ten that comes from the world, flesh or the devil. So I told the Lord that He would have to really push me into it and show me conclusively that what I am prompted to say lines up totally with written Scripture and not something that I am dreaming out of my own head.

 

[Mungo]

You fail to believe me. That is all. Which is fine. I don't need you believe me, nor the Bible I read as being all Scripture.

You also stumble all over yourself about the Bible being all Scripture.

First you doubt any Bible today can be all Scripture, because the original manuscripts no longer exist. Then you claim to believe the Bible to be all Scripture, when you are directly asked. Then when asked about proving all tradition by the Bible, because it is all Scripture, you return to doubting the Bible to be all Scripture, because of no more original manuscripts.

Sola Scriptura begins with the Bible today being all Scripture, because once that is agreed to, the Bible becomes the true authority of proving all other things, whether written or oral, as true of the God of the Bible, because it is all Scripture.

All your waffling doesn't change the fact that you still haven't given scriptures that prove Sola Scriptura.

 

[Addy]

All your waffling doesn't change the fact that you still haven't given scriptures that prove Sola Scriptura.

Good morning Mungo... Happy Friday to you... Thought I would start my day off by BLESSING you this morning.

 

[Taken]

The Catholic Church was founded by Christ on the rock of Peter.

A Christian Church is Established IN Believers WHO Drink the Spiritual Drink in Agreement: THAT:

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

A Christian Church is Founded IN Christ.
Christ IS the HEAD and Foundational ROCK.

1 Cor 10:
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

 

[Taken]

All your waffling doesn't change the fact that you still haven't given scriptures that prove Sola Scriptura.

Sola Scriptura...Yep, I believe that.
You disagree...So?
You have Evidence to the Contrary, to support your disagreement....?
Reveal your Evidence and I will Show your Evidence to be untrustworthy.