The problem with the thousand years?

[amadeus]

Did Jesus save us physically with His physical death or spiritually?

What is physical life to God?

"But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." Matt 8:22

Jesus did bring something better but most men would never receive it:

"...I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10

When does Life begin for a believer?

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" John 11:26

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

 

[Truth7t7]

5. The throwing of Satan into the LoF: How long after the beast & false prophet were thrown into the LoF, since these are already there when Satan is thrown into the LoF?

But I thought @Marty fox was going to offer another option in this thread, maybe? based on the NHNE already being reality and ongoing, and describing current reality symbolically, or maybe? based on the millennium is to be brought in by the spread of the gospel and the eventual world rule of Christ via the mortal saints, and the return of Christ at the close of this period.

Anyway, still waiting to hear what brother @Marty fox is going to offer ...

The book of Revelation is taught in "Parallel" teachings of the same events

Revelation 11:18, Revelation 19:20, and Revelation 20:10-15, all represent the final judgement on the last day in "Parallel" teachings

The book isnt taught in chronological order as dispensationalism teaches

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Satan is (Death) and will be the last enemy destroyed at the second coming, final judgement, 1 Corinthians 15:26

Yes the Beast and false prophet, and all the worlds wicked that have lived will be in the Lake of Fire, when the last enemy death is destroyed

Revelation 20:10-15KJV
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes. Let's get back to the dictionary and what it actually says:

Whenever it can, as a rule the Strong's Greek Dictionary gives other Greek words that are related to the word you are looking at. "Of uncertain affinity" means " it is not certain which other Greek word or words this word is related to".

A thousand is a unit (one unit) times a thousand, so it's automatically the plural of the unit. So the Strong's Greek Dictionary is telling us the obvious: that chílioi is the plural of a unit (one unit) because it's a unit (one unit) times a thousand (one thousand), and then just in case anyone's confused, Strong's tells us what chílioi means: It means a thousand, or thousand. It does not mean the plural of a thousand, it means the plural of a unit (a unit times a thousand).

We can't change the meaning of the words "a thousand" and "thousand" in the Strong's definition of the word chílioi just because we would like the definition to mean "plural of a thousand".

[*StrongsGreek*] 05507
χίλιοι chílioi, khil'-ee-oy plural of uncertain affinity;
a thousand:--thousand.

If that's what you were saying, I agree with you.

You can run all the semantics you want, (a thousand) represents uncertain affinity

A day is a thousand years seen in 2 Peter 3:8 is screaming in your face this (Uncertain Affinity) in the Lords "Eternal" spiritual realm of no literal time, (The Souls) and (The Dead) are in the Lords spiritual of one day is a thousand in Revelation 20:4-6, no mortal humans or earthly kingdom is seen, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man, and you know it

Santa Claus and Little Red Riding Hood Have More Validity Than A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, And We Know Well They Are Fictional Fables Of Man

 

[Waiting on him]

You can apply Revelation 20 to anything in history. You just cannot remove Revelation 20 as John wrote it; post, Armageddon. There is still a future Millennium, no matter how many times you spiritually apply this passage to any history, including Creation itself. God did not let Satan act the first 1000 years of creation, if Satan started to think the second he was made in opposition to God.

Revelation 20:6 KJV
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 1:5-6 KJV
[5] And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, [6] And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Truth7t7]

Summary of the debate, for approximately two pages.

your a liar.
No I’m not your the liar!
Stop calling me a liar or I’m gonna tell!
Well you are a liar.
No your the liar!

what a debate.

Yes I Agree, and the same personal attacks were brought upon myself by the poster

Things have been quiet, hopefully the attacks will cease

 

[Zao is life]

Okay is seams that nobody actually understands my view so I will lay it out for you in point forum

The thousand year reigning is symbolic of the church age.

The new heaven and the new earth is in the future

Read post numbers 43 & 56 to see that the reigning and the binding ends at different times so the reigning isn’t because of the binding because Jesus reigns because He is God not because satan is bound.

The binding of satan is only mentioned from deceiving the nations.

According to the bible on the day of Pentecost the church grew from a room full of people to over 3000 people in one day of Jews from every nation under heaven.

These Jews then went back to every nation under heaven and spread the gospel.

Paul states 4 times in the bible that the gospel has spread though out the whole known world during his days which was about twenty to thirty years from the day of Pentecost and this is before fast travel phones and the internet. This is the perfect description of satan being bound by deceiving the nations.

Don’t bother trying to debate what the world exactly is I,m using the same words that the bible uses

The deceiving by satan being bound is by the power (the great chain)of the gospel as the gospel reveals who Jesus is and how He saves all that believes in Him.

So yes satan can still deceive those who reject the gospel and yes he can still be bound by deceiving the nations and still persecute the church and do evil at the same time because it’s not physical binding it’s spiritual which is more powerful and matters way more

The truth in this is the result which is that the church grew form a room full of Jews to millions of people from all nations being saved which is why we on this web site today are saved

If you don’t agree with me that’s fine and your choice but I choose to believe in the results of what the gospel has done

It’s not just about events the reigning and the binding is a message to the church

I liked not necessarily because I agree with you but because I liked firstly the way you made it plain what you are saying; and secondly, your thoughts are good to bear in mind.

The way you put this is unique, even though I disagree it's an interesting viewpoint

The deceiving by satan being bound is by the power (the great chain)of the gospel as the gospel reveals who Jesus is and how He saves all that believes in Him.

Thanks

 

[Waiting on him]

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 1:5-6 KJV
[5] And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, [6] And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 1:5-6 KJV
[5] And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, [6] And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

I fully agree that those seen in Revelation 20:4-6 are (The Souls) and (The Dead) that have no physical bodies on this earth, they are living and reigning with the Lord in the spiritual realm of one day is a thousand years

 

[Waiting on him]

1 John 3:14 KJV
[14] We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
The first resurrection.

resurrection is to be raised from death to life. That’s what it means.

 

[Truth7t7]

If the binding is still future, why refute a literal future event?

Is the outcome only a spiritual conflict in Paradise? Are there nations decieved in Paradise?

Satan is "currently" bound from deceiving the nations to the final battle, the future 6th vial in Revelation 16:12 must be poured for him to be loosed

 

[Zao is life]

When you have (The Souls) and (The Dead) in Revelation 20:4-6, where do you suppose they are. They are in the spiritual realm with Jesus, their bodies are dead.

Is this why it's called the first resurrection?

 

[Marty fox]

Both

No we still die

 

[Truth7t7]

Where do you get Armageddon in Revelation 20 the battle at Armageddon in Revelation 16 was the destruction of Babylon the great by the beast

Marty Revelation 16:12-17 below represents the second coming end of this world

Verse 15) the warning the Lord is returning, "behold I come as a thief"

Verse 16) the world is gathered together at Armageddon

Verse 17) the 7th vial (It Is Done) The End

Revelation 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Zao is life]

If he was still alive when the door to the ark was closed with him on the outside then he must have drowned. According to my Bible he was not one of the 8 people who did get on board. I do not believe that God would have stopped him, if he had really wanted to enter in...

Did you notice that Noah's father, Lamech was 777 years old when he died? I've heard (don't know how true it is) that Rabbinical tradition has it that the day Lamech died, the flood waters were opened. 777 is a very interesting number. 7 priests blowing 7 trumpets for 7 days (Jericho), and on the 7th day, the people march around the city 7 times with 7 priests blowing 7 trumpets and at the sounding of the 7th trumpet, the 7th time they march around the city on the 7th day, the people give a great shout and the walls of Jericho fall. Then of course there's this 777 in the Revelation. It seems as though 777 is linked to judgment day.

Just a piece of trivia which is not-so-trivial.

 

[Zao is life]

Not just amil. It is prevalent in Reformed Theology. There is a new song with a catchy tune by Baylor Wilson called "Jesus happened" that turns the Second Coming into the moment of Salvation. It is also a Preterist thing, as most claim the Second Coming already happened and happens each time at "salvation". I am not sure if historist hold to that.

Those who separate the physical resurrection from the spiritual birth, are now relegated to the futurist category. Some idealist tend to conflate the two, but still hold to a future Second Coming.

Thanks for that info.

 

[Waiting on him]

Revelation 5:10 KJV
[10] And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

1 John 3:14 KJV
[14] We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
The first resurrection.

resurrection is to be raised from death to life. That’s what it means.

The resurrection is future and takes place at the second coming, when the believer receives the glorified immortal body

Do you believe in a future bodily resurrection of the believer?

 

[Truth7t7]

Is this why it's called the first resurrection?

You have been shown several times, and once again

There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.

1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Zao is life]

Where do you get Armageddon in Revelation 20 the battle at Armageddon in Revelation 16 was the destruction of Babylon the great by the beast

That was an interesting statement. I assume you mean it already happened in 70 A.D? And indeed it could just as well apply to Jerusalem AD 70, were it not for one statement in verse 19: "and the cities of the nations fell."

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 5:10 KJV
[10] And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Nice scripture, what's you point or message?