The problem with the thousand years?

[Truth7t7]

Couldn’t it be that the early church fathers were just following Irenaus lead?

Marty you believe and teach that Antiochus Epiphanies 167BC fulfilled Daniel 9:27 below, in his desecration of the Jerusalem Temple?

Marty Antiochus Epiphanies
died in 164BC and can't fulfill Daniel 9:27 below, a future event in "Consummation"

Marty you have been shown that the figure seen in Daniel 9:27 will be present on earth making desolations until the "Consummation" the Ultimate End, a future event unfulfilled

Marty you sluff this off as the words of God below don't exist "Why"?

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signaturespecifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Taken]

Of course it is. Show where it's somewhere else.

From heaven . . . to . . . to . . . where . . . ? Where could it be?

Much love!

Yes.

In Brief;

The Millennial reign, Is a literal 1,000 years.
Son of man, (ie. Jesus),

with Power, (ie Christ),

King, of His Kingdom, (ie Land promised Abraham and his descendants),

Everlasting Throne, Established by God, (first seated king David, Then King, Jesus, (Son of man), with Power (Christ), 1,000 years,
Then...Lord God Almighty....Forever.

Inside Kingdom, saints, men, having received, saved soul, quickened spirits, new body's.

Outside Kingdom, Mortals, remnant from Great Trib., reproducing, (living, dying), local governing of Mortal men.

Ending 1,000 years...Satan loosed. Influences Again (some Mortals).

Again, Mortals IN Christ, saved.
Again, Mortals WITHOUT Christ, die in their sins.

Eradication, of Mortal men ON EARTH.
Spiritual Battle.
Final Division of "spirits", holy & demonic
Resurrections of humans.
Judgements.
Final Division of "men", holy & dead in Sin.
Holy, Occupy Earth.
Dead in Sin, Destroyed.
Made Anew (restored) Heavens;
Made Anew (restored) Earth;
Barrier between "Heavens & Earth" opened;
* KING ~ Lord God Almighty rules Entire...
...Holy Heavens, Holy Earth, all Holy Occupants...FOREVER...sustained with The Tree of Life.
* Teaching, Revealing, Endless Knowledge, and Wisdom of use of such Knowledge.

The 1,000 year reign ENDS, when Mortals are no longer Present ON Earth...
Then Begins the ETERNAL Reign, OF;
The Lord God Almighty.

 

[Truth7t7]

Couldn’t it be that the early church fathers were just following Irenaus lead?

Marty you believe and teach that Jesus was speaking of a 70AD abomination of desolation in the Roman Destruction of Jerusalem in Matthew 24:15

Marty you teach Jesus wasn't referring to Daniel 9:27, that you teach was fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanies in 167BC

Marty Matthew 24:15 is staight forward, Jesus Is Speaking of Daniel 9:27, where Daniel's AOD is seen and you claim he wasn't, I believe your in error

(Spoken Of By Daniel The Prophet)

Matthew 24:15KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Zao is life]

Revelation 17:16-17
16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked;they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled

After Gods purpose was fulfilled by the beast God judged the beast and cast the demonic being into the lake of fire and then Rome eventually fell

We know that it had to be a demon who was cast into the lake of fire because it happens before the judgement day and this can only happen to demons not people

Thanks. I don't agree, but I appreciate you answering my question

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes.

In Brief;

The Millennial reign, Is a literal 1,000 years.
Son of man, (ie. Jesus),

with Power, (ie Christ),

King, of His Kingdom, (ie Land promised Abraham and his descendants),

Everlasting Throne, Established by God, (first seated king David, Then King, Jesus, (Son of man), with Power (Christ), 1,000 years,
Then...Lord God Almighty....Forever.

Inside Kingdom, saints, men, having received, saved soul, quickened spirits, new body's.

Outside Kingdom, Mortals, remnant from Great Trib., reproducing, (living, dying), local governing of Mortal men.

Ending 1,000 years...Satan loosed. Influences Again (some Mortals).

Again, Mortals IN Christ, saved.
Again, Mortals WITHOUT Christ, die in their sins.

Eradication, of Mortal men ON EARTH.
Spiritual Battle.
Final Division of "spirits", holy & demonic
Resurrections of humans.
Judgements.
Final Division of "men", holy & dead in Sin.
Holy, Occupy Earth.
Dead in Sin, Destroyed.
Made Anew (restored) Heavens;
Made Anew (restored) Earth;
Barrier between "Heavens & Earth" opened;
* KING ~ Lord God Almighty rules Entire...
...Holy Heavens, Holy Earth, all Holy Occupants...FOREVER...sustained with The Tree of Life.
* Teaching, Revealing, Endless Knowledge, and Wisdom of use of such Knowledge.

The 1,000 year reign ENDS, when Mortals are no longer Present ON Earth...
Then Begins the ETERNAL Reign, OF;
The Lord God Almighty.

I Believe Your Claim Is In Error

The Word (Thousand) represents (Uncertain Affinity) Not A Literal 1,000 Years As You Claim, Its Speaking Of The Lords Eternal Realm Of "No Time" Its That Simple

The Greek word "Chilioi" was used in 2 Peter 3:8 and in Revelation 20:1-7

The definition is (Uncertain Affinity) not a literal thousand years on this earth as many claim

Strong’s Definitions
χίλιοι chílioi, khil'-ee-oy; plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand:—thousand.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 11x
The KJV translates Strong's G5507 in the following manner: thousand (11x).

Thousand = Uncertain Affinity

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-7KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

 

[Taken]

Your Claim Is In Error

No, no error.

Literal TIME, was established by God, FOR mankind.

A Thousand Years FOR mankind IS a LONG span.
A Thousand Years FOR God IS a SHORT span.

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Correct "man"...DO NOT BE IGNORANT...
You are "NOT" The Lord.

1,000 years "for man", IS literal 1,000 years.
1,000 years "for the Lord", IS but a BLIP, IS but LIKE a span of A "MANS" Day.

DO NOT BE IGNORANT...
What APPLIES to man, APPLIES to man.
What APPLIES to the Lord, APPLIES to the Lord.

You are TRYING to MAKE, what APPLIES to the Lord, APPLY to man....FAIL.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, no error.

Literal TIME, was established by God, FOR mankind.

A Thousand Years FOR mankind IS a LONG span.
A Thousand Years FOR God IS a SHORT span.



Correct "man"...DO NOT BE IGNORANT...
You are "NOT" The Lord.

1,000 years "for man", IS literal 1,000 years.
1,000 years "for the Lord", IS but a BLIP, IS but LIKE a span of A "MANS" Day.

DO NOT BE IGNORANT...
What APPLIES to man, APPLIES to man.
What APPLIES to the Lord, APPLIES to the Lord.

You are TRYING to MAKE, what APPLIES to the Lord, APPLY to man....FAIL.

The subject isnt about what you believe literal time is, it's about the word "Chilioi" and its interpretation (Uncertain Affinity)

The Greek word "Chilioi" was used in 2 Peter 3:8 and in Revelation 20:1-7

The definition is (Uncertain Affinity) not a literal thousand years on this earth as many claim

Strong’s Definitions
χίλιοι chílioi, khil'-ee-oy; plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand:—thousand.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 11x
The KJV translates Strong's G5507 in the following manner: thousand (11x).

Thousand = Uncertain Affinity

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-7KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

 

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The subject isnt about what you believe literal time is, it's about the word "Chilioi" and its interpretation (Uncertain Affinity)

The Greek word "Chilioi" was used in 2 Peter 3:8 and in Revelation 20:1-7

The definition is (Uncertain Affinity) not a literal thousand years on this earth as many claim.

God established, the TIME of A LITERAL DAY.
....A LITERAL DAY "LENGTH" changes from day to day.
....Man established A Literal Day, as a 24 hour period, and tinkers with their own man-made 24 hours and years....REGULARLY ...
Skipping an hour, Falling back an hour, Jumping ahead an hour, skipping a day, changing the first month, blah, blah, blah.
....Ofcourse it is NOT PRECISE....
....Gods established TIME for mankind was NOT PRECISE.
....The Constant of Time for mankind, IS Darkness and Day Light....and the WHOLE world does not experience, Darkness and Day Light at the SAME time.

That DOES not change the FACT...
FOR 1,000 years, (give or take, an hour, a month, a year)...Jesus' shall sit as King ON EARTH, while saints AND MORTALS occupy the Earth...and it will seem LIKE a SHORT WHILE for Jesus and a LONG WHILE for MORTALS.

A Thousand Years...to man, is a LONG time, Generations of men, being born, living, dying.

A Thousand Years....IN the Lords SIGHT, is but LIKE the span of a mans DAY.

You SEE with a mans EYES.
You DO NOT SEE with the Lords EYES.

 

[Truth7t7]

God established, the TIME of A LITERAL DAY.
....A LITERAL DAY "LENGTH" changes from day to day.
....Man established A Literal Day, as a 24 hour period, and tinkers with their own man-made 24 hours and years....REGULARLY ...
Skipping an hour, Falling back an hour, Jumping ahead an hour, skipping a day, changing the first month, blah, blah, blah.
....Ofcourse it is NOT PRECISE....
....Gods established TIME for mankind was NOT PRECISE.
....The Constant of Time for mankind, IS Darkness and Day Light....and the WHOLE world does not experience, Darkness and Day Light at the SAME time.

That DOES not change the FACT...
FOR 1,000 years, (give or take, an hour, a month, a year)...Jesus' shall sit as King ON EARTH, while saints AND MORTALS occupy the Earth...and it will seem LIKE a SHORT WHILE for Jesus and a LONG WHILE for MORTALS.

A Thousand Years...to man, is a LONG time, Generations of men, being born, living, dying.

A Thousand Years....IN the Lords SIGHT, is but LIKE the span of a mans DAY.

You SEE with a mans EYES.
You DO NOT SEE with the Lords EYES.

Once Again, You Avoid The Presented Truth Below "Why"?

The subject isnt about what you believe literal time is, it's about the word "Chilioi" and its interpretation (Uncertain Affinity)

The Greek word "Chilioi" was used in 2 Peter 3:8 and in Revelation 20:1-7

The definition is (Uncertain Affinity) not a literal thousand years on this earth as many claim

Strong’s Definitions
χίλιοι chílioi, khil'-ee-oy; plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand:—thousand.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 11x
The KJV translates Strong's G5507 in the following manner: thousand (11x).

Thousand = Uncertain Affinity

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-7KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

 

[Zao is life]

Perhaps it is to God, but let us not laugh. I just tried to read the whole of the thread, which is difficult for me, to get some ideas about the 1000 years and the personal attacks distracted me so I quit. Not funny for me.

I apologize to you, Marty and to anyone else who I offended earlier in this thread. I do feel strongly about Christians believing that Satan is bound (because if you don't know your enemy is among you, and about his wiles, and that you're his enemy, then you're in danger), but I had a bad and unacceptable way of expressing it. I apologize for it, and for making the thread unpleasant.

The rest is just banter thrown into a deabte:

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Truth7t7 to FoTG: "Fact is, I have explained my position 10 times to you, and you fully understand it, momma didnt raise no dummy here
Truth7t7 to FoTG: "When you can understand that (The Souls) and (The Dead) in Revelation 20:4-6 are not living on this earth, but are in the Lords eternal realm, then the green light will allow you to progress forward, until then it's circles in the field"

FoTG to Truth7t7: "When you realize how finite your understanding is and how fallible you are then you'll be able to climb down from that ridiculously precarious perch of yours, and then you may realize that you are wrong, or at least question your beliefs."

Truth7t7 to FoTG: "1.The souls are killed before the second coming during the tribulation
2. All that have lived and died will be resurrected at the second coming,including the souls and the dead in Revelation 20:4-6"

FoTG to Truth7t7: "Very unworkable add-on theory. I thought you were going to try harder than that. I'm disappointed."
"PS: Why did you Like Post #311? Is it because it applies to you too?"

Truth7t7 to FoTG: "It's simple. The Antichrist is revealed ..
Simple."

FoTG to Truth7t7: "Ohhh I see. Yes. You're right. Simple. Too simple, because .."

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That's just backward and forward banter. We're not being personally insulting in a way that we actually mean it to be personal or insulting.

 

[Truth7t7]

I apolologize to you, Marty and to anyone else who I offended earlier in this thread. I do feel strongly about Christians believing that Satan is bound (because if you don't know your enemy is among you, and about his wiles, and that you're his enemy, then you're in danger), but I had a bad and unacceptable way of expressing it.I apologize for it.

The rest is just banter:

Truth7t7 to FoTG: "Fact is, I have explained my position 10 times to you, and you fully understand it, momma didnt raise no dummy here

Truth7t7 to FoTG: "When you can understand that (The Souls) and (The Dead) in Revelation 20:4-6 are not living on this earth, but are in the Lords eternal realm, then the green light will allow you to progress forward, until then it's circles in the field"

FoTG to Truth7t7: "When you realize how finite your understanding is and how fallible you are then you'll be able to climb down from that ridiculously precarious perch of yours, and then you may realize that you are wrong, or at least question your beliefs."

Truth7t7 to FoTG: "1.The souls are killed before the second coming during the tribulation

2. All that have lived and died will be resurrected at the second coming,including the souls and the dead in Revelation 20:4-6"

FoTG to Truth7t7: "Very unworkable add-on theory. I thought you were going to try harder than that. I'm disappointed."

"PS: Why did you Like Post #311? Is it because it applies to you too?

Truth7t7 to FoTG: "It's simple. The Antichrist is revealed ..

Simple."

FoTG to Truth7t7: "Ohhh I see. Yes. You're right. Simple. Too simple, because .."

That's just backward and forward banter. We're not being personally insulting in a way that we actually mean it to be personal and insulting.

Accepted And Forgotten, You Have 489 More Offences And Your Done

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 18:21-22KJV
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

 

[Zao is life]

Accepted And Forgotten, You Have 489 More Offences And Your Done

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 18:21-22KJV
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Oh no. Only 489? (gulp).
@Truth7t7 And thank you.

 

[Taken]

Once Again, You Avoid The Presented Truth Below "Why"?

The subject isnt about what you believe literal time is, it's about the word "Chilioi" and its interpretation (Uncertain Affinity)

The definition is (Uncertain Affinity) not a literal thousand years on this earth as many claim

Strong’s Definitions
χίλιοι chílioi, khil'-ee-oy; plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand:—thousand.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 11x
The KJV translates Strong's G5507 in the following manner: thousand (11x).

Thousand = Uncertain Affinity.[/QUOTE]

Yipes man, DO YOU NOT LISTEN?

I do not have to PRETEND the number of YEARS IS EXACT according to man...and already SAID SO!

There WILL BE A THOUSAND YEAR REIGN of the Lord....
Precise..."by a mans calculated Calendar" ...
NO....it's General...(your uncertain affinity)...
But that is no cause to BE IGNORANT, and PRETEND you can change a mans 1,000 years, into A SINGLE DAY....because the Lord IS NOT constrained BY TIME.

You are NOT the Lord...
You experience YEARS as a LONG Time...
The Lord experiences a Mans YEAR, as a Time, as SHORT as a mans DAY.

Its not that difficult to comprehend, IF you are not busy preaching YOUR Human Timeframe IS the SAME as the Lords.
It ISN"T!

 

[Truth7t7]

I apologize to you, Marty and to anyone else who I offended earlier in this thread. I do feel strongly about Christians believing that Satan is bound (because if you don't know your enemy is among you, and about his wiles, and that you're his enemy, then you're in danger), but I had a bad and unacceptable way of expressing it. I apologize for it, and for making the thread unpleasant.

The rest is just banter thrown into a deabte:

---------------------------------​

Truth7t7 to FoTG: "Fact is, I have explained my position 10 times to you, and you fully understand it, momma didnt raise no dummy here
Truth7t7 to FoTG: "When you can understand that (The Souls) and (The Dead) in Revelation 20:4-6 are not living on this earth, but are in the Lords eternal realm, then the green light will allow you to progress forward, until then it's circles in the field"

FoTG to Truth7t7: "When you realize how finite your understanding is and how fallible you are then you'll be able to climb down from that ridiculously precarious perch of yours, and then you may realize that you are wrong, or at least question your beliefs."

Truth7t7 to FoTG: "1.The souls are killed before the second coming during the tribulation
2. All that have lived and died will be resurrected at the second coming,including the souls and the dead in Revelation 20:4-6"

FoTG to Truth7t7: "Very unworkable add-on theory. I thought you were going to try harder than that. I'm disappointed."
"PS: Why did you Like Post #311? Is it because it applies to you too?"

Truth7t7 to FoTG: "It's simple. The Antichrist is revealed ..
Simple."

FoTG to Truth7t7: "Ohhh I see. Yes. You're right. Simple. Too simple, because .."

------------------------
​

That's just backward and forward banter. We're not being personally insulting in a way that we actually mean it to be personal or insulting.

Just to make things clear "Again" at no time have I claimed satan is currently bound from evil in this world, nor is he locked up and bound from roaming to and fro in the earth as a lion as scripture teaches

I have made my point very clear, that satan is currently bound in Revelation 20:3 from (One Thing Only) that is (Deceiving The Nations) to the future final battle as seen in Revelation 20:7-8

 

[Taken]

Accepted And Forgotten, You Have 489 More Offences And Your Done

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 18:21-22KJV
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Yes...Jesus "the Jew", speaking to Peter "the Jew"....according to "Mosaic Jewish Law"...offenses of man against man, was a SIN...

Are you a JEW, under Jewish Law, forgiving men of SIN violations, of men against men, according to Mosaic Jewish Law?

Yes or No?

 

[Zao is life]

Just to make things clear "Again" at no time have I claimed satan is currently bound from evil in this world, nor is he locked up and bound from roaming to and fro in the earth as a lion as scripture teaches

I have made my point very clear, that satan is currently bound in Revelation 20:3 from (One Thing Only) that is (Deceiving The Nations) to the future final battle as seen in Revelation 20:7-8

I got it. You know we don't agree, but I got it.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes...Jesus "the Jew", speaking to Peter "the Jew"....according to "Mosaic Jewish Law"...offenses of man against man, was a SIN...
Are you a JEW, under Jewish Law, forgiving men of SIN violations, of men against men, according to Mosaic Jewish Law?

Yes or No?

Jesus was speaking to the Church in Matthew 18, and proper discipline within the church concerning offence

It appears your mind is stuck in Dispensationalism's (Dual Covenant Theology) in (Two Peoples Of God) a teaching in error

It appears you need to do more reading and less accusing

Matthew 18:15-17KJV
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

 

[Zao is life]

Yes...Jesus "the Jew", speaking to Peter "the Jew"....according to "Mosaic Jewish Law"...offenses of man against man, was a SIN...

Are you a JEW, under Jewish Law, forgiving men of SIN violations, of men against men, according to Mosaic Jewish Law?

Yes or No?

".. forgive us our sins as we forgive those..
"..confessing your sins to one another.."

I have to go now so don't have time to look for more scriptures + the references but there are a few.

 

[Taken]

Jesus was speaking to the Church in Matthew 18, and proper discipline within the church concerning offence

It appears your mind is stuck in Dispensationalism's (Dual Covenant Theology) in (Two Peoples Of God) a teaching in error

It appears you need to do more reading and less accusing

LOL...perhaps you should take your OWN ADVICE...SINCE you are the one ACCUSING me of being WRONG!! ACCUSING me of being an a man-devised term.

I simply DISAGREE WITH YOU...

You can attempt to DEFINE my Belief 'till the cows come home... Pfff Irrelevant.

Not my problem if you DO NOT KNOW the Difference between ... ISRAEL, Gods People and GENTILES being MADE SAVED UNTO God, THROUGH Christ.

1 Kings 6:
[13] And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will not forsake my people Israel.

YOU Think Gentiles, BECOME "Gods ISRAEL"?

 

[Taken]

".. forgive us our sins as we forgive those..
"..confessing your sins to one another.."

Could you quote THOSE Scriptures with Reference....? As your time permits.
TY.