The point remains, obey or disobey God’s command, your choice. In both cases, there is consequence.
Whether one is able to obey is a different point.
Here’s another example commandment. Do not steal. Obey or disobey, your choice.
Questions:
1. When you are stealing, are you not in disobedience?
2. When you are not stealing, are you not in obedience?
The Apostle Paul mentions "obedience" one time in Romans chapter 5, and Paul mentions "disobedience" one time in Romans chapter 5.
"For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous" (Romans 5:19) wrote Paul.
Notice that:
(A) Paul identifies Adam with "disobedience".
(B) Paul DOES NOT identify Adam with "obedience".
(C) Paul identifies Jesus with "obedience".
(D) Paul DOES NOT identify Jesus with "disobedience".
all in Romans chapter 5.
Adam was not guilty of disobedience prior to eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:16-17, Genesis 3:6); moreover, Adam was guilty of disobedience after eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:17).
No scripture throughout the entirety of the Bible indicates that Adam was obedient. Scripture only indicates Adam's disobedience.
No scripture states that Adam had the ability to be obedient; therefore, Adam was not guilty of violating God's command recorded in Genesis 2:16-17) prior to eating (Genesis 3:6).
As this post in this thread shows, scripturally a difference exists between Adam being not guilty before eating of the tree versus Adam being in obedience before eating of the tree.
The thoughts of your heart add to the Word of God as well as subtract from the Word of God.
<<<In effect, you are calling Jesus a deceiving spirit…>>>
Nope! That’s you think it is. But nope. I will never ever even have any thoughts doing that to my Lord Jesus Christ.
When you wrote "Obey or disobey. Your choice", in effect, you are calling Jesus a deceiving spirit for:
Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16, includes righteously obeying God)
Lord Jesus says "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19, includes salvation).
Lord Jesus says "apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5, includes righteously obeying God).
Lord Jesus says "he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21, even coming to Jesus in obedience is wrought in God).
<<<There you go again, in effect, you calling Joshua is a false prophet when he declared "You will not be able to serve the LORD, for He is a holy God. He is a jealous God; He will not forgive your transgression or your sins..." (Joshua 24:19) to the people in attendance.>>>
Nope. Just believing what Joshua 24:31 plainly says. Seems you really have a problem with one like me who believes what scripture says concerning the people of Israel in that point of time in the past.
You are flat out denying Joshua's words of "You will not be able to serve the LORD, for He is a holy God. He is a jealous God; He will not forgive your transgression or your sins..." (Joshua 24:19) to the people in attendance.
Therefore, in effect, you calling Joshua is a false prophet.
Nobody is saying that Genesis 3:17 says that verbatim.
In your heart you say that God said "Because you chose to listen to the voice of your wife" in Genesis 3:17 - which is the conveyance of your writing.
Your heart's contention is not what God said.
God did say "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field; By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return." (Genesis 3:17-19).
Therefore, in your heart you wickedly add "chose" into the Word of God where "chose" does not exist!
God LITERALLY stated that the CAUSE was Adam LISTENED to Adam's wife's voice; moveover, free will choice is NOT included as a CAUSE; therefore, the Apostle Paul's conveyance that Adam "not willingly" ate of the tree (Romans 8:20) is in accord with the recorded Word of God in Genesis 3:17.
You proclaim "the word of you". For you adulterate the Word of God with "choose" such that it is no longer the Word of God.
You don’t know my heart. So that would make your statements as being only what evil you think of my heart. Such character you have there.
Out of your mouth come the treasures of your heart (Matthew 15:18).
You reveal your wicked treasure that is your wickedly defiant claimex choice of Jesus
Nope. You have to learn how not to speak for others. Besides you don’t absolutely know my heart.
I merely paraphrase your writings back to you exposing the treasures of your heart that come out of you (Matthew 15:18).
What God literally stated in Gen.3:17 is about the reason why He (God) will to do this: “Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.”, in consequence to Adam’s heeding the voice of his wife and have eaten from the tree of which God commanded him, to not eat of.
You failed to quote Genesis 3:17.
See the word "because" in Genesis 3:17
The word "because" means "be the cause".
As this post in this thread shows, God LITERALLY declares the CAUSE which was that Adam listened to the voice of his wife as the cause for Adam to eat of the tree (Genesis 3:17).
I pray to God that you learn to not speak for others.
And again, Nope!
Nothing new? Same old pointless statements starting with the “you…..” You seem to want to talk about what you think evil of me than about what scriptures say. Well,….
Tong
R4072
Again, your writings reveal the treasure of your heart (Matthew 15:18), that is your self-will reviling of Majesty on High (2 Peter 2:9-10)
Your heart says "Adam" (Genesis 2:7) is not part of "the whole creation", and Paul wrote "the whole creation" in Romans 8:20-22.
Your heart says "tree" (Genesis 2:9) is not part of "the whole creation", and Paul wrote "the whole creation" in Romans 8:20-22.
Your heart says "ate" (Genesis 3:6) is not an event that occurred prior to "now", and Paul wrote "until now" in Romans 8:20-22.
Your heart says "not willingly" occurs without application to "the whole creation" and "until now", and Paul wrote "not willingly" and "the whole creation" and "until now" in Romans 8:20-22.
In "Adam ate not willingly of the tree", Paul covered "ate" which is an action in time of "until now" in Romans 8:20-22.
In "Adam ate not willingly of the tree", Paul covered "tree" which is a thing as part of "the whole creation" in Romans 8:20-22.
In "Adam ate not willingly of the tree", Paul covered "Adam" which is a person as part of "the whole creation" in Romans 8:20-22.
In "Adam ate not willingly of the tree", Paul covered "not willingly" in Romans 8:20-22.
Paul most certainly included "Adam ate not willingly of the tree" in Romans 8:20-22.
See that you subtract "ate" from "until now" in Romans 8:20-22.
See that you subtract "tree" from "the whole creation" in Romans 8:20-22.
See that you subtract "Adam" from "the whole creation" in Romans 8:20-22.
See that you subtract "not willingly" from Paul's application to "the whole creation" in Romans 8:20-22.
And, this, sir, is Romans 8:20-22 in context.
You proclaim "the word of you". For you adulterate the Word of God with "choose" such that it is no longer the Word of God.
Still, no free will written in the creation account (Genesis 1:1-31 Genesis 2:1- 25 Genesis 3:1-24), with Paul in accord for he conveyed that Adam "not willingly" ate of the tree since Paul included all time prior to Paul's birth by his writing "until now" (Romans 8:20-22).
Just as the original post shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will neither.