The Inquiring Mind 2

[soul man]

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; - 2 Corinthians 5:17-18.

Christianity is not an improved life! It is a new life. Are you still trying to clean up your act..still working at your flesh - to prove something to God. Still working at getting this thing right. Good news is; your wrong..if you are working at anything to make youself better to be a better Christian then you missed what scripture calls a new life. Not you living a new life but Christ in you is new life. New creations..new creature. Do you understand what that means.. it means you are no longer the same creature that came into this Earth. What you once were you are no longer. That is the renewing of the Mind because we do not know that.



Christianity is quickly moving into a knowledge that there is absolutely something you must do to finish the new creation. That is the message of the hour! We must rethink our religion because if there was something you could do surely he would not have killed his only Son. You have a new life in you that life is the life of Jesus Christ. That life is the only life to God because all in Adam have been crucified.



What is the problem with me trying to live a certain lifestyle? You have no lifestyle ..you are a child of God created in His image and likeness and that old mind that we try to live a certain way.. is a lie. You cannot live without Christ in you. There is no life but Christ. And the problem is you will have to leave Christ.. in your mind ..to live according to the way you feel. That is the lie that you are a self unto self, the scriptures call it the LIE. It comes from the liar from the beginning. Remember when Jesus spoke to the Pharisees and said 'your of your father the devil.' What makes our religion any greater than the Pharisees - without the completed work of the cross and Jesus Christ the only begotten Son as our life. Born Again from above.. Jerusalem is above.

 

[farouk]

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; - 2 Corinthians 5:17-18.

Christianity is not an improved life! It is a new life. Are you still trying to clean up your act..still working at your flesh - to prove something to God. Still working at getting this thing right. Good news is; your wrong..if you are working at anything to make youself better to be a better Christian then you missed what scripture calls a new life. Not you living a new life but Christ in you is new life. New creations..new creature. Do you understand what that means.. it means you are no longer the same creature that came into this Earth. What you once were you are no longer. That is the renewing of the Mind because we do not know that.



Christianity is quickly moving into a knowledge that there is absolutely something you must do to finish the new creation. That is the message of the hour! We must rethink our religion because if there was something you could do surely he would not have killed his only Son. You have a new life in you that life is the life of Jesus Christ. That life is the only life to God because all in Adam have been crucified.



What is the problem with me trying to live a certain lifestyle? You have no lifestyle ..you are a child of God created in His image and likeness and that old mind that we try to live a certain way.. is a lie. You cannot live without Christ in you. There is no life but Christ. And the problem is you will have to leave Christ.. in your mind ..to live according to the way you feel. That is the lie that you are a self unto self, the scriptures call it the LIE. It comes from the liar from the beginning. Remember when Jesus spoke to the Pharisees and said 'your of your father the devil.' What makes our religion any greater than the Pharisees - without the completed work of the cross and Jesus Christ the only begotten Son as our life. Born Again from above.. Jerusalem is above.

@soul man I am reminded that 18th century preacher George Whitfield was asked why he kept on preaching "Ye must be born again" (John 3). He replied, Because "ye must be born again"...

 

[soul man]

@soul man I am reminded that 18th century preacher George Whitfield was asked why he kept on preaching "Ye must be born again" (John 3). He replied, Because "ye must be born again"...

Haha good answer George!

 

[MatthewG]

What about when scripture talks about putting off the old man and putting on Christ?

Though yes of course no action can be made to be proved in right standing with God except by and through faith on the Lord Jesus Christ.

That would leave open for those who are seeking the scripture to go and find out what they have to offer as far as this new life that is obtained through Christ Jesus right?

In scripture it is concluded by Paul in 1 Corinthians that all things are lawful for him, but not everything edifying?

As a Christian are we to talk about what pertains to us as sin against God?

Though you, me or whoever is not to condemn other people but to share the word of God in what the truth that is said in itself. Whether or not people accept that truth or not is dependent on them though not making demands on what they must do only sharing what the flesh does in its own actions in the hostility towards God.

These were some of the things that Paul mentioned when reading through 1 Corinthians 6:9-11:

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.


So does that old life start dwindling off the more you come to God and Christ? Is it them working that in you by the spirit? Is it you doing it yourself?

What are your thoughts?

 

[soul man]

What about when scripture talks about putting off the old man and putting on Christ?

Though yes of course no action can be made to be proved in right standing with God except by and through faith on the Lord Jesus Christ.

That would leave open for those who are seeking the scripture to go and find out what they have to offer as far as this new life that is obtained through Christ Jesus right?

In scripture it is concluded by Paul in 1 Corinthians that all things are lawful for him, but not everything edifying?

As a Christian are we to talk about what pertains to us as sin against God?

Though you, me or whoever is not to condemn other people but to share the word of God in what the truth that is said in itself. Whether or not people accept that truth or not is dependent on them though not making demands on what they must do only sharing what the flesh does in its own actions in the hostility towards God.

These were some of the things that Paul mentioned when reading through 1 Corinthians 6:9-11:

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.


So does that old life start dwindling off the more you come to God and Christ? Is it them working that in you by the spirit? Is it you doing it yourself?

What are your thoughts?

Thanks. You said alot and good word. First I would say;

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20.

What an individual does with pinpoint scripture..keystone scripture - as in Galatians..will determine they're understanding of what is written. What they are taught by man's interpretation..teachers preachers..so on. All has to do with my knowledge..the leading of the Spirit as well..the catch is we follow men. It's natural to do that. If you follow anyone it needs to be Paul. Paul is the only one that's knows. There was no 'in Christ' message before Paul and his revelation of the indwelling Christ. That is the gospel 'the revelation of Jesus Christ.' Take a look at it for yourself because he tells you what the gospel is, Galatians 1:11-12. Paul is the only one to say 'follow me" as I follow the Lord of coarse. Why would Paul say that..why would he not say 'just follow the Lord. Because the Lord himself gave Paul a message to and for the born again, they're own message of who they are. It is written..we must follow Paul if the believer is to know anything Paul said. He alone gave us the weight of scripture .. In Christ - by whom - through whom..and so on. The ministry of reconciliation is the only message for the born again. They have no ministry but the ministry of reconciliation. Not in scripture..unless you go somewhere else in scripture and take up something that has nothing to do with you as a born-again Christian. Keep reading Paul..it is nice to hear other believers as youself quote paul. You did that a few times and it is the right road ..right trail..so to speak for believers. No where else in written scripture can you find what Paul said. Human being did not know God was going to birth His Own children by the life of another..even Christ.

Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, - Romans 16:25.

Check out Romans 7 first 5 verses and see what he says about the sin nature..that is crucified in Christ..what did he say..free to marry another even Jesus Christ. That is the born again Christian..which is of God we had very little to do with that..the birthed of God.

 

[farouk]

Haha good answer George!

@soul man Yes, it's very quotable... :)

 

[MatthewG]

Thanks. You said alot and good word. First I would say;

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20.

How awesome it is to hear that scripture because it is true, that now the life that which is lived in the flesh is now living through the spirit by the faith of the Son of God. He did so much for all people, and not just us ourselves but how amazing it is that God through Christ Jesus can change a life if a person desires to seek the things of God. God is a good God, and a Father who is a giver of good gifts.

What an individual does with pinpoint scripture..keystone scripture - as in Galatians..will determine they're understanding of what is written. What they are taught by man's interpretation..teachers preachers..so on. All has to do with my knowledge..the leading of the Spirit as well..the catch is we follow men.

That does happen sometimes to prove a point when bring up scripture. Brining up the scripture then discussing it and what is the message, and what does it truly means is something any Christian would desire to do by the Spirit if they are seeking for God and to learn and understand what the scriptures says. This one brought up is very strong in it's language along with way that is being said. The scripture that was shared to me is all of these fleshly desires profit nothing to the Kingdom of God. So therefore the focus should be towards the Son of God/ Son of Man/ Yeshua Christ, towards the hope that is coming one day at the end of this life, while having a relationship with the Father here and now today.

It's natural to do that. If you follow anyone it needs to be Paul. Paul is the only one that's knows. There was no 'in Christ' message before Paul and his revelation of the indwelling Christ. That is the gospel 'the revelation of Jesus Christ.' Take a look at it for yourself because he tells you what the gospel is, Galatians 1:11-12. Paul is the only one to say 'follow me" as I follow the Lord of coarse.

You are right about it being natural to do so, but really curious to know what others thinks as well. There are many scriptures that get skipped possibly even in brick and mortar churches. Compared to a persons seeking and trying to learn themselves, along with asking questions, but question everything, do not trust man but trust God. You did mention a key point though that Paul does know, about the indwelling Christ and thank you for that mention.

Why would Paul say that..why would he not say 'just follow the Lord. Because the Lord himself gave Paul a message to and for the born again, they're own message of who they are. It is written..we must follow Paul if the believer is to know anything Paul said. He alone gave us the weight of scripture .. In Christ - by whom - through whom..and so on. The ministry of reconciliation is the only message for the born again.

Being born again: A message for all people from God to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for that is the works which Jesus Himself told his disciples: The work of God is to believe on the one whom He had Sent.


Thank you for your response and talking to me,
Matthew G.

 

[soul man]

the faith of the Son of God.

Absulutely another faith exsists beside ours..Paul said he lived by another faith in his flesh (body). Two faiths at work in the believer..learn him learn His faith! It is like yhe two knowledges that exists for the believer. One is the knowledge of good and evil..the other is the knowledge of the Lord. The knowledge of the Lord is that only knowledge that works in the world.

The scripture that was shared to me is all of these fleshly desires profit nothing to the Kingdom of God

Correct..and tje kingdom of God is in the born again - by Christ in you the hope of glory! There is no creating a kingdom..the kimgdom message that is in religion is a flesh smd blood kingdom that does not even exsist..only in the mind of those that believe Christians are going to rule the earth somehow..not in this lifetime..it's false. Scripture describes it as rank error. The kingdom in you comes about by a birth. The ruling and reigning comes only by Christ in you.

 

[farouk]

Absulutely another faith exsists beside ours..Paul said he lived by another faith in his flesh (body). Two faiths at work in the believer..learn him learn His faith! It is like yhe two knowledges that exists for the believer. One is the knowledge of good and evil..the other is the knowledge of the Lord. The knowledge of the Lord is that only knowledge that works in the world.






Correct..and tje kingdom of God is in the born again - by Christ in you the hope of glory! There is no creating a kingdom..the kimgdom message that is in religion is a flesh smd blood kingdom that does not even exsist..only in the mind of those that believe Christians are going to rule the earth somehow..not in this lifetime..it's false. Scripture describes it as rank error. The kingdom in you comes about by a birth. The ruling and reigning comes only by Christ in you.

@soul man Jude refers also in his Epistle to 'the faith once delivered to the saints'.

 

[soul man]

@soul man Jude refers also in his Epistle to 'the faith once delivered to the saints'.

I would think 'once' is the key word! Faith that was once delivered was the faith of another.

 

[farouk]

I would think 'once' is the key word! Faith that was once delivered was the faith of another.

@soul man Faith there in the sense of one body of truth that was delivered...(similar wording as in 1 Corinthians 11.23, for example...)

 

[soul man]

@soul man Faith there in the sense of one body of truth that was delivered...(similar wording as in 1 Corinthians 11.23, for example...)

Your right I didn't even take a look and took a shot ;-)

 

[soul man]

@soul man Faith there in the sense of one body of truth that was delivered...(similar wording as in 1 Corinthians 11.23, for example...)

Do you have anything on 'once' could it just be a general reference to the faith delivered to the saints? Wonder why once is used like that probably just Ol king Jimmy!

 

[soul man]

@soul man Faith there in the sense of one body of truth that was delivered...(similar wording as in 1 Corinthians 11.23, for example...)

What did Paul recieve and then deliver of the lord. He recieved it directly from the Lord. My first thought is; correct me if I'm wrong. He did not deliver the death burial and ressurection in this verse anyway..that had already been delivered. Although they were taking communion.

 

[soul man]

What about when scripture talks about putting off the old man and putting on Christ?

Out of curiosity Matt..what is the dividing of soul and spirit to you? This quote is a soulish issue not spirit. How do we categorise scripture into soul or spirit..even body? This quote would be similar to 'Reckoning' which is soulish. We have a finished product and you reckon it so! Do you have any thing on that?

 

[MatthewG]

Great question going to answer on a fast whim here.

The soul is what God breathed into Adam ~ The mind, will, emotion which Adam was built in God's image ~ With a mind, will, emotion.

The body what is known as the sarx is the flesh.

The holy spirit/spirit of Christ/Spirit of God helps us inside of our flesh, to bring forth having the heavenly, mind, will, and emotions compared to the earthly.

What are your thoughts on these things?

Would dividing soul and spirit be wavering between earthly or heavenly?

Please understand : I could be wrong.

 

[soul man]

The soul is what God breathed into Adam ~ The mind, will, emotion which Adam was built in God's image ~ With a mind, will, emotion.

Thanks Matt. Imo you are nailing it, at least what I understand. Do you see spirit in Adam's creation?

Would dividing soul and spirit be wavering between earthly or heavenly?

Scripture says we can understand we have a soul and spirit, in these bodies. And they can all be divided by the word or God. Which simply means they are 3 separate parts. Understanding completion comes from dividing..understanding incomplete comes from dividing..and will be complete in body is dividing by the word of God.
Example: knowing where and what to read is very important to dividing. When you read the scriptures that have been given to you (as the born again) you know immediately if they are talking about your completion by a birth (born again) or if they address the soul..which is being completed. That is where growth and learning takes place..in soul..and so on..but that is in soul. Scripture calls it; growing in grace and knowledge. We are complete in Christ; that is spirit. Only the spirit is complete (the cross..Christ in you..upon believeing). Soul is growing in knowledge of that completion. Body will be completed on the ressurection morning!