A False Teaching about the Cross and Jesus being Crucified

[David in NJ]

As Curtis was correctly implying, the Father and Jesus are separate individual persons. Saying God cannot be tempted does not automatically supply to the Son Who lay aside all His divine attributes to become one of us.

Ah - but it, in fact, it does fully apply to the Son, just as the Scripture i posted to you declares.

"No one comes to the Father but through the Son and No one comes to the Son except the Father draws them"

Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does. The Father loves the Son and shows Him all He does. And to your amazement, He will show Him even greater works than these. For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He wishes.

Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.

Do you know what was declared here in this scripture passage?

 

[Brakelite]

Ah - but it, in fact, it does fully apply to the Son, just as the Scripture i posted to you declares.

"No one comes to the Father but through the Son and No one comes to the Son except the Father draws them"

Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does. The Father loves the Son and shows Him all He does. And to your amazement, He will show Him even greater works than these. For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He wishes.

Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.

Do you know what was declared here in this scripture passage?

You are defending the theory that Christ took the unfallen nature of Adam. That to take on man's sin nature is akin to Christ sinning.
So basically you are suggesting that Christ was never fully human at all. As I suggested above, you are supporting, at least partly, the immaculate conception, and the only logical concussion to your beliefs is the introduction of infant baptism into Protestantism.

 

[David in NJ]

You are defending the theory that Christ took the unfallen nature of Adam. That to take on man's sin nature is akin to Christ sinning.
So basically you are suggesting that Christ was never fully human at all. As I suggested above, you are supporting, at least partly, the immaculate conception, and the only logical concussion to your beliefs is the introduction of infant baptism into Protestantism.

Please do not add to my words or God's Word.
I clearly stated that Elohim the Son came to earth in the flesh born of a virgin, who at that time was Mary, as recorded in Scripture.
He was fully man in the flesh. He was not born of or in sin - He came into the world by the sinless Holy Spirit.

Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”
Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.
Luke 1: 30-35

I do not believe in infant baptism.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Yes, and so we should stop being contentious about what actually constituted the construction of the cross He was crucified on. 'Cross' in Galatians 6:14 is a metonymy for the sacrificial death of Christ. It's not intended to argue one way or the other how the cross was actually constructed. It's just as wrong to be contentious about what the cross didn't look like as it wrong to be contentious about what the cross did look like. It's a non issue. What matters is that, on it, He died the death that we owe for our sin.

Yes sir, that is why I call the instrument of Jesus' death exactly what the Bible called it, the stauros. People can form in their own mind what they perceive it to look like.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I knew right away the whole point was to discredit the Catholic church.
We don't need to toss out the cross, or argue about how it was actually constructed, just because someone idolizes it.

It is my intent to reveal Biblical truths, if the Bible "discredits" a particular faith, then one must take that into account when searching out God. The Bible identifies the faith beyond any doubt Ferris, and that God has only one group of people.

The Bible explains where all these sects came from Acts 20:29,30 should reveal it to you sir.

 

[Robert Gwin]

All real believers understand this. It's a waste of time to try to explain this to unbelievers.

Actually Ferris, Jesus sent us to the unbelievers, not to those who already believe. First to the lost sheep of Israel, then we were to bear testimony to the ends of the earth Acts 1:8

 

[Robert Gwin]

if that were so why are you participating in the discussion?

Did you look at my initial response to the posters question? From that point on I simply addressed whatever concerns individuals had responding to me. There is a point when I have covered the topic well and there is no point in continuing, at that point I simply stop responding as we have simply came to a point of disagreement.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I am not a Catholic, but when they make the sign of the cross, they say, in the name of the father, son, and Holy Spirit as they do it, so they are acknowledging the trinity that so many cults deny exists.

Do you believe this is pleasing to God Curtis?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Actually Ferris, Jesus sent us to the unbelievers, not to those who already believe. First to the lost sheep of Israel, then we were to bear testimony to the ends of the earth Acts 1:8

Let me clarify...."fake believers".

 

[Ferris Bueller]

It is my intent to reveal Biblical truths, if the Bible "discredits" a particular faith, then one must take that into account when searching out God.

The big deal you're making about the actual shape of the cross is worthless. It's a non-issue.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

People can form in their own mind what they perceive it to look like.

You don't really seem to be doing that. Years ago, that was telling to me that a church would make an issue about the actual construction of the cross.

 

[David in NJ]

Actually Ferris, Jesus sent us to the unbelievers, not to those who already believe. First to the lost sheep of Israel, then we were to bear testimony to the ends of the earth Acts 1:8

What is your testimony?

 

[GEN2REV]

Peter asked to be crucified upside down. Catholics think the pope sits in peters chair due to apostolic succession, thus to honor Peter, the Pope’s chair has an upside down cross on it.

That's pretty silly since Peter's Crucifixion had absolutely NOTHING to do with an UPSIDE-DOWN Cross. Peter was crucified upside-down on an UPRIGHT cross.

That's yet another ridiculous excuse of theirs to honor the enemy of Christ in plain sight.

 

[Addy]

How ironic/poetic that the pope sits on a throne with an inverted cross and satanists also treasure this upside down image of Christ to MOCK GOD.

 

[David in NJ]

How ironic/poetic that the pope sits on a throne with an inverted cross and satanists also treasure this upside down image of Christ to MOCK GOD.

Coincidence? - I think not!

 

[GEN2REV]

It's also interesting to note that, despite the modern debate about the true shape of the Cross, those who worship the demon lord - who knows all things back to Creation and beyond - still hold the true shape of the Cross in their worship of him. They just invert it. You can't really invert this shape (l) and I've never seen or heard of this shape (T) being inverted.

Sometimes the enemies of Christ reveal their hand.

 

[Addy]

What I can't understand is people arguing over the shape of a cross... LOL... The things that people like to argue about never ceases to amaze me... and all this does is DISTRACT from the ONE who DIED and SHED HIS BLOOD on that CROSS.... but then again... Christians can't seem to agree on HIM either.

 

[farouk]

What I can't understand is people arguing over the shape of a cross... LOL... The things that people like to argue about never ceases to amaze me... and all this does is DISTRACT from the ONE who DIED and SHED HIS BLOOD on that CROSS.... but then again... Christians can't seem to agree on HIM either.

@Addy It's interesting that the JWs talk about a supposed impaling rather than a crucifixion, and there is dubious doctrine that goes with their terminology.

 

[farouk]

@Addy Great header verse from Psalm 91... :)

 

[David in NJ]

It is my intent to reveal Biblical truths, if the Bible "discredits" a particular faith, then one must take that into account when searching out God. The Bible identifies the faith beyond any doubt Ferris, and that God has only one group of people.

The Bible explains where all these sects came from Acts 20:29,30 should reveal it to you sir.

Acts 20 is where the false teachings of the Watchtower group comes from as well.

How can you say your intent is to reveal Biblical truths since you reject Biblical Truth..........