Church Father Justyn Martyr 100-165AD, Taught The Thousand Years Was Eternal, Not On This Earth

[Truth7t7]

It is one of the most promised things in Scripture.

This is a true story. Back in the 70s I went through the entire OT Prophets, and circled every verse that had to do with restoration (green), sin (black), and judgment (red). There were many, many promises of restoration for Israel, following judgment to separate the chaff from the wheat.

All of these promises were based on the original promise to Abraham that God would give him a biological nation, a posterity from his own DNA. Along with that would come many nations, outside of his biological posterity, who would share in his faith. I see these as Christian nations today, who like Israel, are a mixed breed.

As Israel fell, so do Christian nations. But as Israel's promise of restoration remains, so do God's promise to restore many nations for Abraham remain. Here are probably a couple of the more popular passages in the NT having to do with Israel's final restoration. What stands apart from other promises of restoration is the promise of a *final restoration* for Israel.

Acts 1.6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
Rom 11.11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!...
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

Some people get confused about what the *complete salvation* of national Israel means. It does not mean that every citizen of the State of Israel will get saved. Rather, it just means that the complete nation will be saved.

For example, to say that the U.S. is saved in a war with only the Southern states surviving is less than the salvation of a complete nation. To say the UK is delivered in a war with only Wales surviving is not a complete national salvation.

Neither is it a complete national salvation if only a remnant of Israel is being delivered. And so, the nation must not only be restored to its land, but the entire nation must re-covenant under the New Covenant of Christ. That doesn't mean every individual will get saved--no more than every citizen of a Christian nation is saved. But it does mean that a complete nation is delivered and that the whole nation adopts a Christian Constitution with *many saved.*

Only the Remnant Elect Jew will be saved and added to the Church, those whom God foreknew and chose, the rest of are blinded

Romans 11:5-8KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Only the Remnant Elect Jew will be saved and added to the Church, those whom God foreknew and chose, the rest of are blinded

Romans 11:5-8KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Yea, I used to think that way too. But more years have added more understanding. I hope what I learned can help you too?

Israel, like all nations, rise and fall. During the times of depravity and judgment, you can apply what you did above. Only a relative few Jews are saved, while the rest are lost in their sins. They may not all be damned, but the nation has gone the wrong way, and the vast majority have lost their ability to see spiritually.

But in better times, following judgment, and after restoration, a nation is grateful for a return to seeing spiritually, and many can join in praising God for their salvation, both nationally and individually. If you haven't seen this before, I don't blame you for taking the theology of a particular application and applying it too far.

It was in a time of Israel's depravity and fall that Jesus came to die for their sins. The result was a turn to the Gentiles to add many more nations to Israel's call as the chosen of God. While Israel has been blinded by the generation that rejected Jesus, a remnant of them still do get saved. And ultimately, I believe the nation itself will turn back into a covenant relationship with God, this time through the New Covenant of Christ.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yea, I used to think that way too. But more years have added more understanding. I hope what I learned can help you too?

Israel, like all nations, rise and fall. During the times of depravity and judgment, you can apply what you did above. Only a relative few Jews are saved, while the rest are lost in their sins. They may not all be damned, but the nation has gone the wrong way, and the vast majority have lost their ability to see spiritually.

But in better times, following judgment, and after restoration, a nation is grateful for a return to seeing spiritually, and many can join in praising God for their salvation, both nationally and individually. If you haven't seen this before, I don't blame you for taking the theology of a particular application and applying it too far.

It was in a time of Israel's depravity and fall that Jesus came to die for their sins. The result was a turn to the Gentiles to add many more nations to Israel's call as the chosen of God. While Israel has been blinded by the generation that rejected Jesus, a remnant of them still do get saved. And ultimately, I believe the nation itself will turn back into a covenant relationship with God, this time through the New Covenant of Christ.

We Disagree, No need for a long drawn out story, only the "Remnant Elect" will be saved and added to the church, as scripture clearly teaches below

Randy you totally disregard the words (The Rest Were Blinded) as if they dont exist, "Why"?

Only the Remnant Elect Jew will be saved and added to the Church, those whom God foreknew and chose, the rest of are blinded

Romans 11:5-8KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

 

[Randy Kluth]

We Disagree, No need for a long drawn out story, only the "Remnant Elect" will be saved and added to the church, as scripture clearly teaches below

Randy you totally disregard the words (The Rest Were Blinded) as if they dont exist, "Why"?

Only the Remnant Elect Jew will be saved and added to the Church, those whom God foreknew and chose, the rest of are blinded

Romans 11:5-8KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

I guess you don't understand the argument. The salvation of a remnant only applies in the "down" time of a nation, when the majority go astray. Nations don't *always* go astray. Israel didn't *always* go astray.

What I gave you wasn't a "story." It suggested there are different "times and seasons" for nations, time when they fall away and time when they are gathered together.

 

[Truth7t7]

I guess you don't understand the argument. The salvation of a remnant only applies in the "down" time of a nation, when the majority go astray. Nations don't *always* go astray. Israel didn't *always* go astray.

What I gave you wasn't a "story." It suggested there are different "times and seasons" for nations, time when they fall away and time when they are gathered together.

It appears you dont understand, as you act as if my words below are non-existent

only the "Remnant Elect" will be saved and added to the church, as scripture clearly teaches below

Randy you totally disregard the words (The Rest Were Blinded) as if they dont exist, "Why"?

Only the Remnant Elect Jew will be saved and added to the Church, those whom God foreknew and chose, the rest of are blinded

Romans 11:5-8KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

 

[bbyrd009]

Sorry, I used to be an alcohol counselor. Lost a friend who was probably drunk in a construction house when it burned down.

um, the point of “free beer tomorrow” is about tomorrow, not alcohol?

 

[Randy Kluth]

It appears you dont understand, as you act as if my words below are non-existent

only the "Remnant Elect" will be saved and added to the church, as scripture clearly teaches below

Randy you totally disregard the words (The Rest Were Blinded) as if they dont exist, "Why"?

Only the Remnant Elect Jew will be saved and added to the Church, those whom God foreknew and chose, the rest of are blinded

Romans 11:5-8KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Brother, I'm not messing with your head. I heard what you said, and responded directly to the point. Maybe you just haven't heard this argument before. Here it is again....

What Paul wrote about the remnant being saved is in character with Israel's state of being *in the present NT era.* It would not fit in all times in Israel's history. In the OT era, there were times when Israel was bad, and only a remnant was faithful to God. That was true in Elijah's time, when only 7000 had not bowed the knee to Baal.

But at other times, Israel was obedient and carried out God's will, and they were blessed for it. At that time it was *not* just a remnant that was saved, but the *entire nation.*

A good example is when Israel came through the wilderness. The wilderness generation had failed, but the new generation succeeded. They weren't perfect, of course, but the result of their obedience, to enter into the Promised Land and attack their enemies, was successful.

There were hitches such as when one man hid some of the forbidden items that were devoted by God to destruction. That caused a problem at, I believe, Ai. But ultimately, the nation, as a whole, conquered the promised land--not perfect, but they obeyed, and the whole nation benefited.

Do you see my point? At some times in history, it is true that the nation largely is rebellious and only a remnant succeeds in pleasing God. But there are other times when the whole nation obeys God and benefits.

The Scriptures indicate Israel will not remain in its present lost state forever. They will return to obedience after Messiah has come back and defeated those hindering Israel from coming back to God spiritually. I hope you understand this time?

 

[Oseas]

No place in scripture does it teach man will reign on this earth for 1,000 years

What Justyn Martyr 100-165AD, Taught is FAKE.

THE SEVERAL HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST AND THEIR DURATION

1st heavenly place: - According to the Scriptures, the OT lasted around 1,500 years. From Moses until John the Baptist

2nd heavenly place - The New Testament has lasted 2,000 years

NOTE: according to the Scriptures, the two Testaments cited add up to 3,500 years or 3 and a half days.

3rd - Now, IN THIS CURRENT MILLENNIUM, is established the Kingdom of GOD-Revelation 11:14-19-the 3rd heavenly place in Christ, and this new heavenly place in Christ will last 1.000 years, but it will be conquered with WAR against Satan-the red Dragon and his allies-Rev.12:v.7 and so on, the nations will be angry, but their destruction is inevitable(v.18) face the wrath of the Lamb. The GOD's Kingdom of 1.000 years is established-1Cor.15:v.24-27 and 51-58 and Phil.3:v.2021, among others, and Satan will be cast down into the bottomless pit for a thousand years. Blessed and holy are those which have part in this transition to the third heavenly place in Christ, they shall be priests of GOD and of Christ, and shall reign with JESUS a thousand years-Revelation 20:v.8- and JESUS will make us unto our GOD kings and priests, and WE WILL REIGN ON THE EARTH WITH CHRIST-Revelation 5:v.10.

JESUS said when he celebrated the holy supper with His disciples: Luke 26:v.29 - But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that Day when I drink it new with you in my Father's Kingdom.

FROM MOSES UNTIL THE THIRD HEAVENLY PLACE PASSED 4.500 YEARS. THE THIRD HEAVEN IS FINISHED.

4th - And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, so ended the period of 1.000 years, there will be a gap for a such time because Satan will be free and he must be loosed A LITTLE SEASON, and again there will be WAR against him, for he will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. They will go up on the breadth of the earth, and compasse the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and FIRE will come down from GOD out of heaven, because IN THE THIRD HEAVEN -the KINGDOM OF GOD- Satan will never enter therein-and they will be devoured by the FIRE from heaven-the third.Revelation 20:v.10 - And the Devil that deceived them will be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the Beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

5th - Ended the third heaven that lasted or will last a thousand years, and also ended the battle against Satan who will be cast into the lake of fire, then WILL BE ESTABLISHED THE HEAVEN OF THE HEAVENS FOR ALL ETERNITY, FOR EVERLASTING TIMES. There will be no more predators of God's works.

HISTORICAL DETAILS OF GOD'S WORKS FROM MOSES TO ETERNITY

According to the Scriptures, after 2 and a half days of work or around 2,500 years after Adam, God established the Old Testament Dispensation particularly for Abraham's offspring -the Law and the Prophets- which lasted for 1,500 years - from Moses to John the Baptist, therefore, the Old Testament ended around 4,000 years after Adam, it was the 4th Day. Until 2,500 years after Adam Israel did not exist as a nation, OBVIOUS, all peoples, all nations, and multitudes of all tongues (waters) on Earth they were common peoples before GOD, including the distinct Hebrew people that GOD formed and separated it from the waters, that is, separated from all other peoples and nations, and then arose up the nation of Israel above all other peoples, that is, the dry land, which is really the clay, the dust, the earth. On the other hand, Satan tried incessantly to destroy Israel as a nation, taking advantage of the hardness of the Hebrews' hearts as an opportunity to do so, using his sons, the sons of Belial, to kill the prophets that God sent to Israel. Israel survived in exceedingly catastrophic conditions and moments during three universal EMPIRES altogether: Babylonian, Medo-Persian and Greek Empires, and also survived a part of the Roman Empire until 70AD, at which time God closed the Old Testament and sent JESUS, his Only Begotten Son, and immediately established, in sequence, the New Testament Dispensation in the blood of JESUS. The Law and the Prophets lasted until John the Baptist. Yeah, so God sent JESUS, the Greater Light-Genesis 1:v.16. JESUS was born (hypothetically) in the year 3.996 after Adam, and lived until he was 33 years old, until around the year 29/30DC. In his Ministry JESUS said: "My Father worketh hitherto(for 4,000 years or 4 full days) , and I work-John 5:v.17.

Daniel 2:v.40-45
40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure. THIS PROPHECY WILL FULFIL LITERALLY FROM NOW ON.

In Christ JESUS, KING of kinds(kings made by Him), and LORD of lords
Amen

 

[Truth7t7]

The Scriptures indicate Israel will not remain in its present lost state forever. They will return to obedience after Messiah has come back and defeated those hindering Israel from coming back to God spiritually. I hope you understand this time?

You Suggest Israel As A Nation Will Repent And Come To God, This Teaching Opposes The Scripture Seen Below

(Israel Hath Not Obtained)

Only the "Remnant Elect" will be saved and added to the church, as scripture clearly teaches below

Randy you totally disregard the words (The Rest Were Blinded) as if they dont exist, "Why"?

Only the Remnant Elect Jew will be saved and added to the Church, those whom God foreknew and chose, the rest of are blinded

Romans 11:5-8KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

 

[Randy Kluth]

You Suggest Israel As A Nation Will Repent And Come To God, This Teaching Isnt Found In Scripture

(Israel Hath Not Obtained)

Only the "Remnant Elect" will be saved and added to the church, as scripture clearly teaches below

Randy you totally disregard the words (The Rest Were Blinded) as if they dont exist, "Why"?

Only the Remnant Elect Jew will be saved and added to the Church, those whom God foreknew and chose, the rest of are blinded

Romans 11:5-8KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Once again, I do not ignore those words of Scripture. I explain them as time-sensitive, and applicable only to the present NT age, when Israel is under punishment, experiencing the "great tribulation," as Jesus described it.

A people can set in motion a national upheaval, leading to generations of sin. Repentance for a nation usually follows a major disaster or a crisis, and the people are amazed at revelation they had missed for some time.

So I don't ignore what you're saying, nor am I ignoring what the Bible is saying in this. I just apply it properly where it fits, and not where it doesn't fit, such as in OT times when the nation as a whole obeyed God. And I do believe the Scriptures say "all Israel will be saved"--you seem to ignore that?

I do think that Israel's intransigence in the NT age is different and longer than any period of national punishment in the past because God has allowed the backsliding of the majority to take root, so as to not destroy them all, while new nations are coming to faith in Christ.

And so, this time, national restoration will require a major destruction of the nation, in order to remove those influences that are keeping the majority of the people in a state of unbelief.

The remnant of believers are few and far between, and come to faith against the background of Jewish hostility by the majority, who view them as traitors. God could deal with these "haters" now, if He wanted. But God delays the final national judgment of Israel until other nations have had opportunity to serve God in covenant, as they had.

Then, when the established antiChristian leadership in Judaism has been broken, I believe the nation will, once again, come back into covenant relationship with God. It will no longer be just a remnant that comes to Christ.

 

[Truth7t7]

And I do believe the Scriptures say "all Israel will be saved"--you seem to ignore that?

All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Person Is Added To The Church On Earth

The Church Is The Israel Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

They Which Are The Children Of The Flesh (Ethnic Israel) These Are Not The Children Of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[Randy Kluth]

All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Person Is Added To The Church On Earth

The Church Is The Israel Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

That interpretation does not fit the meaning of the passage for me. Paul had been talking about his exasperation that the nation was not being successful. We all know what that means. It means the nation had lost its way, and its temple worship had become fruitless, their covenant meaningless. Although the temple had not yet been destroyed in Paul's time, he knew its time was coming.

So the salvation of national Israel has to do with the restoration of the nation following judgment, just as Israel had been brought back to Canaan and remade into a nation following the Babylonian Captivity. It never at all meant that only a small section of Israel would be salvaged. You're quite wrong about that!

Amos considered a partial salvation, or the salvation of a small remnant, an insult to Israel's hope of national blessing.

Amos 3.12 This is what the Lord says:
“As a shepherd rescues from the lion’s mouth
only two leg bones or a piece of an ear,
so will the Israelites living in Samaria be rescued,
with only the head of a bed
and a piece of fabric from a couch.”

 

[Truth7t7]

So the salvation of national Israel has to do with the restoration of the nation following judgment, just as Israel had been brought back to Canaan and remade into a nation following the Babylonian Captivity. It never at all meant that only a small section of Israel would be salvaged. You're quite wrong about that!

Amos considered a partial salvation, or the salvation of a small remnant, an insult to Israel's hope of national blessing.

Amos 3.12 This is what the Lord says:
“As a shepherd rescues from the lion’s mouth
only two leg bones or a piece of an ear,
so will the Israelites living in Samaria be rescued,
with only the head of a bed
and a piece of fabric from a couch.”

God has no future plan with National Israel, they had their chance and rejected the chief corner stone in Jesus Christ, the kingdom of God has been taken from Ethnic Israel And Given To The Church On Earth

You teach (Dual Covenant Theology) Ethnic Israel/Church (Two Peoples Of God) A Teaching In Error

Jesus Christ Fulfilled All The Promises And Covenants Made With Abraham

Galatians 3:16KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

The Kingdom Of God Has Been Taken From National Israel And Given To The Church

Matthew 21:42-43KJV
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

 

[nenagana]

Church Father Justyn Martyr 100-165AD, Taught The Thousand Years Was Eternal, Not On This Earth

Back to a few False Statements
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(The Fifth Day didn't involve the Earth, specifically, its was just the "Pyramid Builders, God and his Angels, in their covenant, to afford them Soulmates"...........no specific language for a messiah...........however God said, to hear the command of the messiah and to then fall away, was a violation of the day)
GENESIS 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
GENESIS 10:11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
GENESIS 10:12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same [is] a great city.
GENESIS 10:13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,
GENESIS 10:14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.
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(And it came to past that some saught the command of the messiah in the last of their day (days), and then passed to earth)
GENESIS 14:1 And it came to pass in the days of Amraphel king of Shinar, Arioch king of Ellasar, Chedorlaomer king of Elam, and Tidal king of nations;
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(and when for sin the day, was violated, the messiah reigned for 1000 years............and slaughter the Kings of Chedorlaomer, but blessed the Kings of Salem to continue in his stead in that day)
GENESIS 14:17 And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that [were] with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which [is] the king's dale.
GENESIS 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God.
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Its not very complicated, God has designated an Area, that for sin would violate the day (the commandment of the day in frustrating the gospel's program with sin), the designated area at that time was the entire earth................although.........arguable, there was no real earth or creation, however, the articulation was understood that way, at that time
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(Conflict of Interest, Rapture Theories)

For a Fact with no controversy. God said to Hezekiah to continue in the Stead of the Messiah, and at that time he was in jerusalem/isreal.............and God said, for the day is holy, and after that, they came again from babylon the hebrews, and their slaves............and when the day was violated, 1000 years has took places, then at that time, it is near impossible to say that they saw their own corpses.

(God allows the people to fall away, and that is how god behaves with a "sin offering" for his glory, but sin itself, isn't allowed define the terms of the faithful, or for a reproof, the lord that is living and the lord that is dead, but the word is not dead but raised)

REVELATION 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.

They did not see their dead bodies, this is language that is associated with a RAPTURE.

For a fact with no controversy...............God does not resolve the dead flesh accusation............its good to have rabies or a pandemic, god won't provide a perfect argument, to justify noah's rainbow or a unified field on earth, that identifies with god using this earth............the theory of the RAPTURE, that God justifies the Gospel's Tables, and that is man's accusation, is not sound or correct..............the more correct theory is God taking preference in Rotting the Body more then a Sign or a Vision.

(in the old testament............God used jerusalem/isreal, specifically, and god also talks about it almost the same way in the revelation............HOWEVER...........God did not originally give this Earth Principal Principality, in the Covenant because it exceeded the homosapien or humanity.............and God appears to revisit this idea, going OFF WORLD emphasis..........it seems unlikely God would play with man's suicid* pleasure, but you need to understand, everything will be made clear, but this earth is man's accusation, and God is more pronounced about that)

(based on an understanding of the earth energy grid, and the human dirth charge, the son of man whoever he is, may suggest a few targeted area, to set things into motion, under the theory that it would take humanity so many years to die off the unclean portion, and God would resolve his application of this generation for the new earth(s).........its not very difficult, but many people will also be impacted and will have to die, and that number is considerable)

(right now, you can say, simple, "1000 days from the mechanism" of covi* if that is the case, then that is next year, or when God resolves the son of man...........then at that time.............he would have the ability to deal with the people and resolve the controversy, and to set places up for an example and so forth, to set things into motion, for man's accusation)

(it wouldn't be very difficult to eliminate 1 to 2 billion in a apparent natural event, but God performing this function is not likely, to set a standard with the earth's field.............but at that time.............it may not be plausible with man's accusation, however it appears impossible to deal with humanity in its suicid* pleasure otherwise.............the son of man is not vain)

 

[Randy Kluth]

God has no future plan with National Israel, they had their chance and rejected the chief corner stone in Jesus Christ, the kingdom of God has been taken from Ethnic Israel And Given To The Church On Earth

Then you don't believe the word of God, where God promised Abraham a biological nation? This promise was reiterated many times in the OT Prophets!

You teach (Dual Covenant Theology) Ethnic Israel/Church (Two Peoples Of God) A Teaching In Error

You are repeating a charge against Dispensationalists which doesn't apply to me. I already explained this to you, but you are stuck in your thinking. Again, *I am not a Dispensationalist!* But I do agree with them that Israel has a future national existence in the Millennium, when they will return to a covenant relationship with God.

But this will not be a return to the OT covenant of Law! It will be the same covenant all Christian nations have entered into. Therefore, it is *not* a "dual covenant." You are clearly misrepresenting my position! And if you continue to double down on it, you are slandering me. So you need to put your thinking cap on.

Jesus Christ Fulfilled All The Promises And Covenants Made With Abraham

I've never said otherwise. Shame on you for suggesting I've said anything otherwise!

 

[Timtofly]

No, no. I’m sure you’re quite right. I’m sure “behold, I make all things new” is, in point of fact, more correctly understood as “behold, I make all things different”.
After all, why would we expect any continuity in this earth, after he declared the one he originally made good? After we see continuity in our new bodies, even after our ‘old’ ones are burned up, dusted by time. After we see continuity in the ‘new Jerusalem’. It could have been any heavenly city. It wasn’t. It’s a new version of the old one.

But…yes. I’m sure you’re quite right and God will want nothing to do with this rock, and he’ll burn it all up and whisk us all away to a brand spanking new one where the sky is purple. Because we can’t have continuity…that’s unbiblical to suggest.

You are the first Amil who hangs on to the original earth. Almost like a premil who accepts the earth is brand new during the millennium, but still the same "rock" as you put it. The earth is about all there is to the universe, as the firmament is only half of reality.

 

[Timtofly]

I do understand that one day is as a thousand years *in the Lord's eyes.* But it is not so *in our eyes,* and that's what we're discussing. Are you saying that *you view* a thousand years as one day, or are you saying that *the Lord views* a thousand years as one day? If you you see things as the former, then I suppose we're only at about the 21st day since Christ died?

We are trying to interpret things. It is possible that the Lord sees, and that we should also see, the Millennium as one day or as eternity. I wouldn't argue that either way.

But if we're going to do that, the passage itself must say it. Otherwise, we can interpret anything anyway we see fit.

He means no more time period. There are no seconds, minutes, hours, days, nor years at the moment of the Second Coming.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

He means no more time period. There are no seconds, minutes, hours, days, nor years at the moment of the Second Coming.

Wow! 1000 years IS NOT EQUAL to 365,000 days IS NOT EQUAL to
8,760,000 hours IS NOT EQUAL to 525,600,000 minutes IS
NOT EQUAL to 31,536,000,000 seconds when time STILL exists?

 

[Truth7t7]

Then you don't believe the word of God, where God promised Abraham a biological nation? This promise was reiterated many times in the OT Prophets!



You are repeating a charge against Dispensationalists which doesn't apply to me. I already explained this to you, but you are stuck in your thinking. Again, *I am not a Dispensationalist!* But I do agree with them that Israel has a future national existence in the Millennium, when they will return to a covenant relationship with God.

But this will not be a return to the OT covenant of Law! It will be the same covenant all Christian nations have entered into. Therefore, it is *not* a "dual covenant." You are clearly misrepresenting my position! And if you continue to double down on it, you are slandering me. So you need to put your thinking cap on.



I've never said otherwise. Shame on you for suggesting I've said anything otherwise!

Jesus Christ Fulfilled All The Promises And Covenants Made With Abraham, He Has No Future Promises Or Covenants As You Have Suggested

Galatians 3:16KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are repeating a charge against Dispensationalists which doesn't apply to me. I already explained this to you, but you are stuck in your thinking. Again, *I am not a Dispensationalist!* But I do agree with them that Israel has a future national existence in the Millennium, when they will return to a covenant relationship with God.

But this will not be a return to the OT covenant of Law! It will be the same covenant all Christian nations have entered into. Therefore, it is *not* a "dual covenant." You are clearly misrepresenting my position! And if you continue to double down on it, you are slandering me. So you need to put your thinking cap on.



I've never said otherwise. Shame on you for suggesting I've said anything otherwise!

I haven't claimed "Your" a dispensationalist, you have made the claim that National Israel all will be saved, yes this is teaching a future covenant with National Israel, while the Church has a covenant

Jews/Church, not a National covenant with Russia, America, China, Africa, but with ethnic Jews Israel (Dual Covenant Theology) a teaching in error, God has no future plan with National Israel, All ethnic Jews wont be saved as you have claimed