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Our Daily Bread 27 October 2021 Devotional Today |A Purpose in Suffering

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Our Daily Bread 27 October 2021 Devotional Today | Message By Sheridan Voysey (Our Daily Bread Ministries)

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TOPIC| A Purpose in Suffering

TODAY’S SCRIPTURE| Job 42:1–9

KEY VERSE| I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has. – Job 42:7

BIBLE IN A YEAR| Jeremiah 12–14; 2 Timothy 1

INSIGHT| After encountering God face to face, Job finds his anger and questions fading, and even describes himself repenting “in dust and ashes” (Job 42:6). Yet God doesn’t rebuke Job for his questions and in fact suggests that in his grief and pain he was closer to the truth than his friends. In their quickness to defend what they saw as an attack on God, Job’s friends spoke arrogantly and without compassion.

They preferred to blame Job for his pain than to have their ideas about God challenged—such as God always protecting the righteous from genuine tragedy. Ironically, in their hurry to defend Him, they “had not spoken the truth about [Him],” while Job had spoken honestly (v. 7). God’s approval of Job reveals that God doesn’t want us to suppress our pain, anger, and hard questions but deeply values genuine, honest relationship with Him.

Our Daily Bread 27 October 2021 Devotional Today Message
“So what you’re saying is, it may not be my fault.” The woman’s words took me by surprise. Having been a guest speaker at her church, we were now discussing what I’d shared that morning. “I have a chronic illness,” she explained, “and I have prayed, fasted, confessed my sins, and done everything else I was told to do to be healed. But I’m still sick, so I thought I was to blame.”

I felt sad at the woman’s confession. Having been given a spiritual “formula” to fix her problem, she had blamed herself when the formula hadn’t worked. Even worse, this formulaic approach to suffering was disproved generations ago.

Simply put, this old formula says that if you’re suffering, you must have sinned. When Job tragically lost his livestock, children, and health, his friends used the formula on him. “Who, being innocent, has ever perished?” Eliphaz said, suspecting Job’s guilt (Job 4:7).

Bildad even told Job that his children only died because they had sinned (8:4). Ignorant of the real cause of Job’s calamities (1:6–2:10), they tormented him with simplistic reasons for his pain, later receiving God’s rebuke (42:7).

Suffering is a part of living in a fallen world. Like Job, it can happen for reasons we may never know. But God has a purpose for you that goes beyond the pain you endure. Don’t get discouraged by falling for simplistic formulas

REFLECT| How else do you see the “suffering = sin” formula being used? Why do you think it’s still so prevalent?

PRAY| Great Physician, give me words to heal, not hurt, in times of pain.

Our Daily Bread 27 October 2021 Devotional Today | Message. Our Daily Bread Ministries (ODB) is a Christian organization founded by Dr. Martin De Haan in 1938. It is based in Grand Rapids, Michigan, with over 600 employees. It produces several devotional publications, including Our Daily Bread.

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Our Daily Bread 27 October 2021 Devotional Today |A Purpose in Suffering

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Our Daily Bread 27 October 2021 Devotional Today | Message By Sheridan Voysey (Our Daily Bread Ministries)

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TOPIC| A Purpose in Suffering

TODAY’S SCRIPTURE| Job 42:1–9

KEY VERSE| I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has. – Job 42:7

BIBLE IN A YEAR| Jeremiah 12–14; 2 Timothy 1

INSIGHT| After encountering God face to face, Job finds his anger and questions fading, and even describes himself repenting “in dust and ashes” (Job 42:6). Yet God doesn’t rebuke Job for his questions and in fact suggests that in his grief and pain he was closer to the truth than his friends. In their quickness to defend what they saw as an attack on God, Job’s friends spoke arrogantly and without compassion.

They preferred to blame Job for his pain than to have their ideas about God challenged—such as God always protecting the righteous from genuine tragedy. Ironically, in their hurry to defend Him, they “had not spoken the truth about [Him],” while Job had spoken honestly (v. 7). God’s approval of Job reveals that God doesn’t want us to suppress our pain, anger, and hard questions but deeply values genuine, honest relationship with Him.

Our Daily Bread 27 October 2021 Devotional Today Message
“So what you’re saying is, it may not be my fault.” The woman’s words took me by surprise. Having been a guest speaker at her church, we were now discussing what I’d shared that morning. “I have a chronic illness,” she explained, “and I have prayed, fasted, confessed my sins, and done everything else I was told to do to be healed. But I’m still sick, so I thought I was to blame.”

I felt sad at the woman’s confession. Having been given a spiritual “formula” to fix her problem, she had blamed herself when the formula hadn’t worked. Even worse, this formulaic approach to suffering was disproved generations ago.

Simply put, this old formula says that if you’re suffering, you must have sinned. When Job tragically lost his livestock, children, and health, his friends used the formula on him. “Who, being innocent, has ever perished?” Eliphaz said, suspecting Job’s guilt (Job 4:7).

Bildad even told Job that his children only died because they had sinned (8:4). Ignorant of the real cause of Job’s calamities (1:6–2:10), they tormented him with simplistic reasons for his pain, later receiving God’s rebuke (42:7).

Suffering is a part of living in a fallen world. Like Job, it can happen for reasons we may never know. But God has a purpose for you that goes beyond the pain you endure. Don’t get discouraged by falling for simplistic formulas

REFLECT| How else do you see the “suffering = sin” formula being used? Why do you think it’s still so prevalent?

PRAY| Great Physician, give me words to heal, not hurt, in times of pain.

Our Daily Bread 27 October 2021 Devotional Today | Message. Our Daily Bread Ministries (ODB) is a Christian organization founded by Dr. Martin De Haan in 1938. It is based in Grand Rapids, Michigan, with over 600 employees. It produces several devotional publications, including Our Daily Bread.

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And if it's my fault, they can get on to more enjoyable activities with the noisy throng! "Praise the Lord, I'm rich!"
 
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I have had a very annoying chronic cough for years and lost count of how many time I've been prayed for. Some of today's message touched a nerve with me because I have often wondered why I still suffer with it when He has healed other things for me.
 

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I have had a very annoying chronic cough for years and lost count of how many time I've been prayed for. Some of today's message touched a nerve with me because I have often wondered why I still suffer with it when He has healed other things for me.
Don't think for a second it's something you've done. As the OP said, it's the result of living in a fallen world.
 

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I have had a very annoying chronic cough for years and lost count of how many time I've been prayed for. Some of today's message touched a nerve with me because I have often wondered why I still suffer with it when He has healed other things for me.
Amen! after the O.P. I also was reading:
The Purpose of Suffering (biblehelpsinc.org), Thanks. :)

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Wednesday 10-27-21 Cheshvan 20, 5782 4th. day of the weekly cycle, 36th. Fall Day

Our Daily Bread 27 October 2021 Devotional Today |A Purpose in Suffering

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Our Daily Bread 27 October 2021 Devotional Today | Message By Sheridan Voysey (Our Daily Bread Ministries)

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TOPIC| A Purpose in Suffering

TODAY’S SCRIPTURE| Job 42:1–9

KEY VERSE| I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has. – Job 42:7

BIBLE IN A YEAR| Jeremiah 12–14; 2 Timothy 1

INSIGHT| After encountering God face to face, Job finds his anger and questions fading, and even describes himself repenting “in dust and ashes” (Job 42:6). Yet God doesn’t rebuke Job for his questions and in fact suggests that in his grief and pain he was closer to the truth than his friends. In their quickness to defend what they saw as an attack on God, Job’s friends spoke arrogantly and without compassion.

They preferred to blame Job for his pain than to have their ideas about God challenged—such as God always protecting the righteous from genuine tragedy. Ironically, in their hurry to defend Him, they “had not spoken the truth about [Him],” while Job had spoken honestly (v. 7). God’s approval of Job reveals that God doesn’t want us to suppress our pain, anger, and hard questions but deeply values genuine, honest relationship with Him.

Our Daily Bread 27 October 2021 Devotional Today Message
“So what you’re saying is, it may not be my fault.” The woman’s words took me by surprise. Having been a guest speaker at her church, we were now discussing what I’d shared that morning. “I have a chronic illness,” she explained, “and I have prayed, fasted, confessed my sins, and done everything else I was told to do to be healed. But I’m still sick, so I thought I was to blame.”

I felt sad at the woman’s confession. Having been given a spiritual “formula” to fix her problem, she had blamed herself when the formula hadn’t worked. Even worse, this formulaic approach to suffering was disproved generations ago.

Simply put, this old formula says that if you’re suffering, you must have sinned. When Job tragically lost his livestock, children, and health, his friends used the formula on him. “Who, being innocent, has ever perished?” Eliphaz said, suspecting Job’s guilt (Job 4:7).

Bildad even told Job that his children only died because they had sinned (8:4). Ignorant of the real cause of Job’s calamities (1:6–2:10), they tormented him with simplistic reasons for his pain, later receiving God’s rebuke (42:7).

Suffering is a part of living in a fallen world. Like Job, it can happen for reasons we may never know. But God has a purpose for you that goes beyond the pain you endure. Don’t get discouraged by falling for simplistic formulas

REFLECT| How else do you see the “suffering = sin” formula being used? Why do you think it’s still so prevalent?

PRAY| Great Physician, give me words to heal, not hurt, in times of pain.

Our Daily Bread 27 October 2021 Devotional Today | Message. Our Daily Bread Ministries (ODB) is a Christian organization founded by Dr. Martin De Haan in 1938. It is based in Grand Rapids, Michigan, with over 600 employees. It produces several devotional publications, including Our Daily Bread.

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Philippians has a strong theme of joy in suffering, for the believer.
 

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Thank you :)

Love, Walter
farouk said:
Philippians 1.29: "For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake" .

4.4 is often quoted: "Rejoice in the Lord..."

I was also thinking of:

1 Peter Five:10 10But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
 

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I have had a very annoying chronic cough for years and lost count of how many time I've been prayed for. Some of today's message touched a nerve with me because I have often wondered why I still suffer with it when He has healed other things for me.
Inflammation is the likely culprit. Some people are born inflamed (me, for instance). Can you take pineapple or pineapple juice? :)
 

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Inflammation is the likely culprit. Some people are born inflamed (me, for instance). Can you take pineapple or pineapple juice? :)
I have a condition called bronchiectasis which is damage to the cauliflower-like insides of the lungs - forget what they're called, could be cilla or something. They say it was caused by measles as a small child. I like pineapple and its juice but don't have it very often.
 

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Textbook case of inflammation. Any type of anti-inflammatory food should reduce your suffering. :)

https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/foods-that-fight-inflammation
The 13 Most Anti-Inflammatory Foods You Can Eat
Inflamation is the cause of a whole lot of what goes wrong in the body, it seems!

Add to your list of anti-inflammatory foods, Rosemary, which, according to my research, has one of the highest contents of the strongest naturally occurring anti-inflammatory.

Much love!
 

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Wednesday 10-27-21 Cheshvan 20, 5782 4th. day of the weekly cycle, 36th. Fall Day

Our Daily Bread 27 October 2021 Devotional Today |A Purpose in Suffering

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Our Daily Bread 27 October 2021 Devotional Today | Message By Sheridan Voysey (Our Daily Bread Ministries)

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TOPIC| A Purpose in Suffering

TODAY’S SCRIPTURE| Job 42:1–9

KEY VERSE| I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has. – Job 42:7

BIBLE IN A YEAR| Jeremiah 12–14; 2 Timothy 1

INSIGHT| After encountering God face to face, Job finds his anger and questions fading, and even describes himself repenting “in dust and ashes” (Job 42:6). Yet God doesn’t rebuke Job for his questions and in fact suggests that in his grief and pain he was closer to the truth than his friends. In their quickness to defend what they saw as an attack on God, Job’s friends spoke arrogantly and without compassion.

They preferred to blame Job for his pain than to have their ideas about God challenged—such as God always protecting the righteous from genuine tragedy. Ironically, in their hurry to defend Him, they “had not spoken the truth about [Him],” while Job had spoken honestly (v. 7). God’s approval of Job reveals that God doesn’t want us to suppress our pain, anger, and hard questions but deeply values genuine, honest relationship with Him.

Our Daily Bread 27 October 2021 Devotional Today Message
“So what you’re saying is, it may not be my fault.” The woman’s words took me by surprise. Having been a guest speaker at her church, we were now discussing what I’d shared that morning. “I have a chronic illness,” she explained, “and I have prayed, fasted, confessed my sins, and done everything else I was told to do to be healed. But I’m still sick, so I thought I was to blame.”

I felt sad at the woman’s confession. Having been given a spiritual “formula” to fix her problem, she had blamed herself when the formula hadn’t worked. Even worse, this formulaic approach to suffering was disproved generations ago.

Simply put, this old formula says that if you’re suffering, you must have sinned. When Job tragically lost his livestock, children, and health, his friends used the formula on him. “Who, being innocent, has ever perished?” Eliphaz said, suspecting Job’s guilt (Job 4:7).

Bildad even told Job that his children only died because they had sinned (8:4). Ignorant of the real cause of Job’s calamities (1:6–2:10), they tormented him with simplistic reasons for his pain, later receiving God’s rebuke (42:7).

Suffering is a part of living in a fallen world. Like Job, it can happen for reasons we may never know. But God has a purpose for you that goes beyond the pain you endure. Don’t get discouraged by falling for simplistic formulas

REFLECT| How else do you see the “suffering = sin” formula being used? Why do you think it’s still so prevalent?

PRAY| Great Physician, give me words to heal, not hurt, in times of pain.

Our Daily Bread 27 October 2021 Devotional Today | Message. Our Daily Bread Ministries (ODB) is a Christian organization founded by Dr. Martin De Haan in 1938. It is based in Grand Rapids, Michigan, with over 600 employees. It produces several devotional publications, including Our Daily Bread.

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This brings to mind when people say your illness is caused from possession or a demon. As if I sinned somehow or are demonic. It's insulting and errogant. I can't stand it and it happens.
 

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I have had a very annoying chronic cough for years and lost count of how many time I've been prayed for. Some of today's message touched a nerve with me because I have often wondered why I still suffer with it when He has healed other things for me.
I wish God would heal my schizophrenia but he hasn't and I have fasted and prayed much. He has healed me of other things. And he has healed the people around me. I understand somewhat I think.
 
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It isn't anything to do with inflammation. But thanks anyway.
When you say you have bronchiectasis, is this what you mean?:

When you breathe, air travels within your lungs through airways called bronchi. Bronchiectasis describes the condition when the airway walls (bronchi) become irreversibly thickened and damaged. As more walls become scarred, the bronchi are no longer able to effectively drain normal secretions, so mucus builds up and becomes a breeding ground for germs. This creates a vicious cycle of inflammation and infection that eventually forms irregular airway pockets, leading to loss of lung function over time. The condition may occur throughout the lung or only in certain airways. The more widespread the damage, the more serious the disease.

From: Lung.ORG (American Lung Association) Learn About Bronchiectasis