Alethos
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The irony coming from one who believes in devils and demons.
Who here teaches demons
You make me laugh Ducky.
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Where Does Denial of Scripture About Hell Originate?
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The irony coming from one who believes in devils and demons.
Who here teaches demons
You make me laugh Ducky.
Alethos
Does Jesus make you laugh too?
Luke 22:31 (NKJV)
[sup]31 [/sup]And the Lord said, "Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat.
Alethos
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No just you Ducky. Matt 15:14
I doubt anyone here in this forum has ever gone this long with you? I could be wrong.
But I admire your blind belief and persistence, I can only imagine if you experienced a Saul like conversion how useful you could be in the Masters service.
I will wait and see if the light will shine.
Alethos
JW? Mormon? SDA? You are so blind that you can't even see that many here can see that you are blind.
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Job asked to be freed from his torment by being inturned in hell
The patriach Jacob said he would go down into sheol/hell for his son
The NT said Jesus was in hell for 3 days
the evidence is that 'hell' is not a place of fire and torment...this is in perfect harmony with Gods personality too, a God of love would hate the idea of tormenting people for all eternity. Really, it comes down to the original meanings of the words in the bible. The writers of the bible did not write in english...so we must always examine the original words of the bible and extract our meaning from them.
What Jesus taught...
Luke 16:22-24
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
(KJV)
"hell" there is the Greek word 'haides'
"torments" is Greek basanos, pointing to a touchstone used to measure gold quantity in a piece of ore
"tormented" is Greek odunao from odune, which means grief, sorrow
"flame" is Greek phlox, meaning a flame or blaze
Whether one believes it is a literal burning torment of flame, or a literal condition of extreme emotional grief and sorrow, the effect of the condition is the same.
And just because our Lord Jesus went there doesn't mean He experienced what those in hell did. Even thinking He had to just to go there is absurd.
do you read all the bible literally?
And in terms of Gods mercy and love, is not eternal pain and suffering a contradiction?
All The Bible is literal Truth, it's just that symbology, metaphor, allegory, and analogy are tools which God uses to help us derive what is literally meant.
When some come here trying to preach against the idea of the existence of 'hell', they're not just proclaiming their disbelief in an everlasting place of burning; they're declaring their disbelief in any literal heavenly place of separation apart from God, like a prison.
I'm well aware of the different words used in the manuscripts for the KJV word "hell". That's not the real argument with those, for they want to completely deny the existence of holding place for the wicked dead which God's Word does not deny.
I do not believe the future "lake of fire" event is an everlasting torment of souls, forever and forever. I believe it is a literal destruction by fire of souls that perish with Satan and his angels. Psalms 37 tells us the wicked will be no more. Bullinger included a Massorah note in the margin about that event in the Psalms. (see The Companion Bible).
And notice per Rev.20:14-15 that the abode of "hell" goes into... the "lake of fire" when it is destroyed.
So the heavenly abode for the wicked, whether one wants to call it 'hell', hades, sheowl, the pit, a prison, etc., does exist per God's Word, regardless of what the world wants to think.
Punishment in the eternal fire is a clear NT doctrine. I have to wonder why anyone would choose to deny eternal punishment. Seems pretty risky to me.
Revelation 20:10 (ESV)
[sup]10 [/sup]and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 20:10 (ESV)
[sup]10 [/sup]and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
I'm not going to argue with you over that.
Ps 37:10-11
10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
(KVJ)
Remember, vengeance belongs to God, not us.
Hell is/will be, BY FAR the worst prison that ever existed, worse than any nightmare, without parole or exit.
according to John, he saw the dead come out of ha'des (sheol/hell)... and not only did the dead come out, but ha'des itself was destroyed in the lake of fire
Revelation 20:11-15 ."...And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Ha′des gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. And death and Ha′des were hurled into the lake of fire."
Any exit from the eternal fire will be only temporary. After the Judgment it will be forever.
Revelation 20:10 (ESV)
[sup]10 [/sup]and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
I think the Millerites, who spawned the SDA and JW churches was the root of the doctrine of annihilation, but certainly not the first group to deny the doctrine of Hell. The Sadducees denied all forms of eternal life.
I do believe the idea of its flames is pointing to more than the idea of literal burning. The use of the Greek word 'basanos' for a touchstone shows the "rich man" didn't measure up. His torments were especially about grief and sorrow. My point about it was that regardless if it's a literal pain by burning flame, or by extreme emotional torment, the presence of pain is there.
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