False Prophets

[amadeus]

i would say that the Bible is definitive knowledge.

I would suggest that it is only definitive when it has been quickened by the Spirit of God within...

"Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." II Cor 3:5-6

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63

 

[amadeus]

No personal revelation as you claim, just a clear and simple biblical fact that is presented to all that will read Gods words of truth seen below

You are the one that claimed it was a fact rather than a belief.

The Godhead is a biblical fact, as John 14:26 clearly shows

1. God The Holy Ghost "He Shall Teach"
2. God The Father "Will Send"
3. God The Son "I Have Said"

John 14:26KJV
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The revelation that any of us have from God is taught to us by the Holy Ghost within us. Scripture read or spoken without the quickening Spirit is dead. The Book, the Bible may contain the flesh of Jesus but without the Blood of Jesus it has no Life in it. The quickening when it happens, occurs within a person by the Spirit of God.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I would suggest that it is only definitive when it has been quickened by the Spirit of God within...

"Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." II Cor 3:5-6

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63

dude, what are you even talking about??? The Bible IS definitive knowledge! This isnt open to debate!! If the Bible says something, it is absolute truth!!! This is christianity 101. If you doubt or dont believe even a part of it, then you’re saying the entire book is a lie.
How is it possible to see sooooooo much bad theology on one forum??

 

[Wrangler]

This is why I believe it:

"I am the First and the Last..." Revelation 1:17

3 "...how is it that Satan has filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit...? 4 ...You have not lied to men, but to God!”" Acts of the Apostles 5:3-4​

I don't know how it works (like a lot of other things).
I just know it is what it is.

Isaiah said he was the 1st and the last. No one thinks we have a 4 member God-head. The above is equivalent to The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the F, S & HS who are co-substantial, co-eternal and co-equal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever?

 

[Truth7t7]

dude, what are you even talking about??? The Bible IS definitive knowledge! This isnt open to debate!! If the Bible says something, it is absolute truth!!! This is christianity 101. If you doubt or dont believe even a part of it, then you’re saying the entire book is a lie.
How is it possible to see sooooooo much bad theology on one forum??

I Agree 100%, the bible is "Absolute Truth" case closed

 

[Ferris Bueller]

and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever?

I personally don't believe that.
It's not a matter of salvation.

 

[Taken]

False Prophets
OP ^

A False Prophet IS What?
Inanutshell someone who "deceives" to Gain an end...to "THEIR" means.

* God has provided the Knowledge OF:
His Order, His Way, His Means ...
* And the "Results" of His Order, His Way, His Means...Accepted.
* And the "Results" of His Order, His Way, His Means...Rejected.

* Gods "knowedge" was given men IN Gods Order of Verbal, Visionary, Verbal, Spoken Via Servants, Written Via God, Written Via Servants, for any man to hear, read, learn, verify with Scripture and Believe or Not.

* Prophets, Preachers, Teachers...are charged with Speaking to "others"...
* To Anyone "hearing" for the First time...
* To a Anyone "IN a committed relationship WITH Christ the Lord God," ie. The FLOCK.

The Preachers / Teachers "OF Gods WORD", WHO Preach / "TEACH", outside of Gods Word..."BUT CLAIM, or give "IMPLICATION" it IS Gods Word"...
"IS SUSPECT"; of being a False Prophet.

In simplicity...
"FEED the FLOCK...
DO NOT DECEIVE the FLOCK".

The "question" of "suspect of deception" is: What IS:
1) The Effect of "suspicious" Teaching "upon" the Flock.
2) Motive of the "Teacher" of the "suspicious" Teaching.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Enoch111]

How is it possible to see sooooooo much bad theology on one forum??

We should not be surprised since we are living in the time of the Great Apostasy.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Isaiah said he was the 1st and the last.

No, this is what Isaiah said:

6Thus says the LORD, the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God but Me." Isaiah 44:6​

Now compare that to what Jesus says about himself in Revelation:

8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,d” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty. Revelation 1:8

17 “...Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, 18the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades." Revelation 1:17-18​

 

[Wrangler]

Now compare that to what Jesus says about himself in Revelation:

No. Jesus most certainly does not say this about himself. He said he only says what his Father tells him to say. It’s the same words, I am the first and last. Both prophets do as all prophets do; speak for God.

Just because the sentences are slightly different does not go against 1,000’s of explicit instanced were God is identified in the singular, alone and as the Father of Jesus.

Since salvation does not demand on the trinity and holding it violates the 1C, there is no benefit from believing it, right?

 

[GaryAnderson]

We should not be surprised since we are living in the time of the Great Apostasy.

@Lifelong_sinner brings up an interesting point so here’s a question for all you who think are right:

Is your goal in life to teach or to win?
Also, is the internet the best place for teaching?
Also, when two people read the same book and arrive at different conclusions, don’t you think it’s best to focus on core messages as opposed to interpreting details literally?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

No. Jesus most certainly does not say this about himself.

"I was dead". That's Jesus talking about himself, not the Father. ...

17 “...I am the First and the Last, 18the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever!" Revelation 1:17-18​

 

[amadeus]

dude, what are you even talking about??? The Bible IS definitive knowledge! This isnt open to debate!! If the Bible says something, it is absolute truth!!! This is christianity 101. If you doubt or dont believe even a part of it, then you’re saying the entire book is a lie.
How is it possible to see sooooooo much bad theology on one forum??

You should move beyond the cliches taught by so many men...

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." Matt 4:4-7

The devil quoted the 91st Psalm while Jesus quoted Deut. 8:3. Only the words of Jesus were the Word of God! What was the difference?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Is your goal in life to teach or to win?

Why not both?

"Run in such a way as to take the prize. " 1 Corinthians 9:24​

 

[Wrangler]

"I was dead". That's Jesus talking about himself, not the Father. ...

17 “...I am the First and the Last, 18the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever!" Revelation 1:17-18​

Verse 1. God, in his unitarian nature gave the resurrected Jesus in heaven a revelation.

 

[GaryAnderson]

Why not both?

"Run in such a way as to take the prize. " 1 Corinthians 9:24​

Because if winning is the goal, it sounds like one is not really teaching the students but more like beating them up.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Also, is the internet the best place for teaching?

I don't know if it's the best, but it's a very good place to teach and be taught.
You get exposed to more thoughts and views here than you do in a church where the goal is to press a single, undivided belief about things. Their beliefs.
The internet 'church' is more like the meeting of the saints that Paul said we should be having:

"26 When you come together, everyone has a psalm or a teaching, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. All of these must be done to build up the church." 1 Corinthians 14:26
​

Everyone can participate and bring more varied sources of knowledge and understanding and insight to the table for us to learn from and be inspired by. Instead of sitting quietly while you listen to a one sided lecture that you may or may not need at the moment.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Because if winning is the goal, it sounds like one is not really teaching the students but more like beating them up.

The question is, what are you trying to win?
It's the reward of those you helped build into the building of God, his kingdom...

"14If what he has built survives, he will receive a reward." 1 Corinthians 3:14

" 19 ...who is our hope, our joy, our crown of boasting, if it is not you yourselves in the presence of our Lord Jesus at His coming? 20You are indeed our glory and our joy." 1 Thessalonians 2:19-20​

 

[GaryAnderson]

I don't know if it's the best, but it's a very good place to teach and be taught.
You get exposed to more thoughts and views here than you do in a church where the goal is to press a single, undivided belief about things. Their beliefs.
The internet 'church' is more like the meeting of the saints that Paul said we should be having:

"26 When you come together, everyone has a psalm or a teaching, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. All of these must be done to build up the church." 1 Corinthians 14:26
​

Everyone can participate and bring more varied sources of knowledge and understanding and insight to the table for us to learn from and be inspired by. Instead of sitting quietly while you listen to a one sided lecture that you may or may not need at the moment.

Was humanity meant to be taught without human interaction where body language and deeds are less important than words?
Should Jesus have done his ministry on letters only and stayed safely at home?

The question is, what are you trying to win?
It's the reward of those you helped build into the building of God, his kingdom...

"14If what he has built survives, he will receive a reward." 1 Corinthians 3:14

" 19 ...who is our hope, our joy, our crown of boasting, if it is not you yourselves in the presence of our Lord Jesus at His coming? 20You are indeed our glory and our joy." 1 Thessalonians 2:19-20​

if winning is the goal than it sounds like ego is the reward.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

holding it violates the 1C

Not when you understand that the three are one.
Jesus is not a 'different' God. He is a particular manifestation of the one God. Just like steam and ice are different manifestations of a body of water. Same body of water—three manifestations of that body of water, at the same time. I think that's the closest we can come to understanding what we simply are not able to comprehend in our puny human selves, but which is true nonetheless.

Being able to understand how something is possible is not the criteria for determining if it is true or not. If that were true then time speeding up and slowing down relative to the speed you are traveling is not true unless you are able to understand how that can be. Only a handful of people know how that can be. The rest of us can't comprehend it or explain it. That doesn't make it not true. It means you can't know how it can be true.