Church Bashing

[JohnPaul]

Yea, too bad for you. You failed the humility test.

Only others have the burden to endure scrutiny.

Your the one who failed and continues to fail, I never said I was humble except to those who deserve humility and you certainly don’t. I’m a soldier in God’s army and will fight to the death in the name of our Father and his Son our Savior, are you ready to do the same at the snap of a finger when the Lion comes calling and wipes out those who didn’t follow his Father’s word and law?

 

[Wrangler]

I never said I was humble except to those who deserve humility

There it is! The Church Bashers complete lack of grace, void of the Spirit of God.

 

[Wrangler]

First not correct or inclusive enough using the word “men.” Then arrogant, lacking peace, and now prideful. And tearing people down…I’m REALLY busy!

Yes, you have been busy - but not busy loving and forgiving.

 

[Wrangler]

will fight to the death

Yes, but will you quietly and submissively go to your death as Jesus did?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Yes, you have been busy - but not busy loving and forgiving.

Once again, since you skipped answering, if someone teaches a doctrine that harms the men it purports to help, tell me, in your own words, what loving them looks like.

 

[JohnPaul]

Yes, you have been busy - but not busy loving and forgiving.

In time of war, in God’s war we must have a pair for the meek shall wipe those supposed embracing of everything vile in the eyes of God, you don’t have what it takes to fight the coming war, your weak not meek, there’s a difference.

You want to stand here and fight back and forth then so be it, I love God almighty and and his only begotten son Jesus Christ, and will give my life up for them.

Can you say the same for yourself?

 

[JohnPaul]

Yes, but will you quietly and submissively go to your death as Jesus did?

I will go to my death knowing I’ve stood for what is right and that I have served God and Jesus Christ.

 

[Wrangler]

Once again, since you skipped answering, if someone teaches a doctrine that harms the men it purports to help, tell me, in your own words, what loving them looks like.

I disagree with the premise of your question. And I've already answered that you should seek fellowship with other Christ followers somewhere. Perhaps I missed your answer to that (as I asked if you are committed to the people this Pastor is leading)

I want to make sure you feel I answered your question. Previously, I said something to the effect that no church I ever went to had 100% doctrinal alignment with me but I loved them by getting to know them and spending time with them and forgave them anyway. If this is not what loving them looks like, what does? Hope this answers your question.

 

[Wrangler]

will give my life up for them.

Can you say the same for yourself?

I already have given my life for them.

Perhaps that is the difference. For you, it is merely something you, in the self-righteousness of your own ego, you say you will do one day. Make a blessed day.

 

[Wrangler]

I will go to my death knowing

I will go to my death knowing there are a lot of self-righteous, judgmental Christians who give Christ a bad name and greatly deter the Great Commission. I pray for them and forgive them - even though they don't deserve it.

 

[JohnPaul]

I already have given my life for them.

Perhaps that is the difference. For you, it is merely something you, in the self-righteousness of your own ego, you say you will do one day. Make a blessed day.

I’m doing it now as I speak, don’t twist my words , everyday I get up I fight God’s war you just sit there and talk the talk but can’t walk the walk.
You are self righteous and self loving and egotistical and weak, you’re enamored with yourself, When the time comes you won’t last.

 

[JohnPaul]

I will go to my death knowing there are a lot of self-righteous, judgmental Christians who give Christ a bad name and greatly deter the Great Commission. I pray for them and forgive them - even though they don't deserve it.

Yes and you’re one of the biggest ones.

 

[JohnPaul]

Keep it coming wrangler, I’m all fit and ready I’ll stand here all day and all night if need be and defend God’s word and law.

Wooohoooo now you got me siked up and ready for battle!!!!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I disagree with the premise of your question. And I've already answered that you should seek fellowship with other Christ followers somewhere. Perhaps I missed your answer to that (as I asked if you are committed to the people this Pastor is leading)

I want to make sure you feel I answered your question. Previously, I said something to the effect that no church I ever went to had 100% doctrinal alignment with me but I loved them by getting to know them and spending time with them and forgave them anyway. If this is not what loving them looks like, what does? Hope this answers your question.

So loving them looks like spending time with them and getting to know them and forgiving or ignoring the harmful things their pastor is giving them to eat?
What about getting to know them and spend time with them here and trying to counteract the harm they’ve swallowed? Does that look like love?

 

[Wrangler]

So loving them looks like spending time with them and getting to know them and forgiving or ignoring the harmful things their pastor is giving them to eat?
What about getting to know them and spend time with them here and trying to counteract the harm they’ve swallowed? Does that look like love?

Good question. I've asked several questions now repeatedly and you are not answering.

1. Have you talked to the Pastor about the doctrinal concern you have?
2. Are you committed to the people this Pastor is over or are you open to seeking fellowship elsewhere?
3. Until this is resolved, why don't you seek fellowship at another fine church near you?
4. Have I answered your questions?

 

[Taken]

Church Bashing
OP ^

If an individual identifies “his” particular church denomination preaches that which is NOT true, NOT verifiable with the Word of God...I have NO hesitancy to Disagree with that individual or that churches position, he has identified...

If speaking out in disagreement IS called Bashing, not much of a concern to me. The fact IS both are in disagreement. And both are Against what the other STANDS FOR.

Jesus Himself “spoke out” AGAINST men, and AGAINST men who stood in TEMPLES teaching that which was AGAINST the Word of God.
Men in disagreement with Jesus, made all kinds of remarks AGAINST Jesus, intended to be Negative remarks...NO ISSUE.
Those remarks, DID NOT DEFINE JESUS.

That which DEFINES a man, IS WHAT “HE STANDS FOR”.
That which a man IS AGAINST, buttresses, supports, WHAT “HE STANDS FOR”.



Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

Yes and you’re one of the biggest ones.

At least you can admit that.

you got me siked up and ready for battle!!!!

Christ offers peace.

 

[JohnPaul]

Church Bashing
OP ^

If an individual identifies “his” particular church denomination preaches that which is NOT true, NOT verifiable with the Word of God...I have NO hesitancy to Disagree with that individual or that churches position, he has identified...

If speaking out in disagreement IS called Bashing, not much of a concern to me. The fact IS both are in disagreement. And both are Against what the other STANDS FOR.

Jesus Himself “spoke out” AGAINST men, and AGAINST men who stood in TEMPLES teaching that which was AGAINST the Word of God.
Men in disagreement with Jesus, made all kinds of remarks AGAINST Jesus, intended to be Negative remarks...NO ISSUE.
Those remarks, DID NOT DEFINE JESUS.

That which DEFINES a man, IS WHAT “HE STANDS FOR”.
That which a man IS AGAINST, buttresses, supports, WHAT “HE STANDS FOR”.



Glory to God,
Taken

Amen brother!!!!

 

[JohnPaul]

At least you can admit that.



Christ offers peace.

In times of war and that’s what we’re facing war against God, we must be strong and ready not weak like you, keep it coming.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Good question. I've asked several questions now repeatedly and you are not answering.

1. Have you talked to the Pastor about the doctrinal concern you have?
2. Are you committed to the people this Pastor is over or are you open to seeking fellowship elsewhere?
3. Until this is resolved, why don't you seek fellowship at another fine church near you?
4. Have I answered your questions?

The first one I answered. I don’t attend a church, since I haven’t found one that doesn’t teach Eternal Torment of Unbelievers and/or Freewill. I posted elsewhere about what I found when I tried hard to find a gathering. I fled them.

The second one, no, I am not committed to any man harming people with harmful leaven. I am committed to the ones he does harm to.

Third, because I can’t find one anywhere here that doesn’t teach great harm, causing danger and arrogance and judging unbelievers by the very leaven taught.