James Was Not Talking about Faith in Jesus Christ for Salvation

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Ephesians 5:26 says Christ sanctifies His church with the washing of water. By the word is referring to the gospel.
The word water is specific. It is not figurative. It literally is water that cleanses the body, which is the church.

We hear the gospel. Then we are sanctified by the washing away of our sins, just as Paul did, Acts 22:16. In water.

Just as is taught about the church/body in 1Corinthians 12:13 it reads,
1Corinthians 12:13:
For by one Spirit= Ephesians 5:25-27 by the word.

We were all baptized = Ephesians 5:25-27 sanctify and cleanse it with washing of water

Into one body= Ephesians 5:25-27 sanctify and cleanse it (it being the church)

Into one Spirit = Ephesians 5:25-27 by the word

These verses show parallelism.

Both are teaching about the church which is the body, Ephesians 1:22-23

Both are teaching we are taught by the Spirit which revealed the word, 1Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 5:26

Both are referring to the cleansing of the body/church by baptism in 1Corinthians 12:13 and water in Ephesians 5:26.

Other verses that show parallelism to washing, cleansing water, the church/body.

Titus 3:5
...He saved us(body/church) through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Joly Spirit.

John 3:5
Jesus answered and said to him,
Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom(church) of God.

The word AND in John 3:5 shows that water and of Spirit are not the same but two separate meanings.
The word AND in John 3:5 is a connective conjunction not an adverb.
It should therefore be translated as and not even.

Water is reference to the baptism in 1Corinthians 12:13 ; Ephesians 5:26 ; Titus 3:5 , etc.
And the Spirit is reference to the word that was delivered through the Holy Spirit baptism.

Again 1Corinthians 12:13 refers to "by one Spirit"
And Ephesians 5:26 says "by the word"

So, water refers to the baptism that puts us into the body/ Kingdom which is His church.
All this is made possible by hearing the word/gospel which is delieved by the Spirit.

John 3:5 and Ephesians 5:26 are both teaching we are water baptized thereby sanctified by wate immersion. And this is how we get into the kingdom which is the church.

To prove this further.

Look at a conversion in Jesus' new testament, covenant.
Paul taught in Jesus' gospel there is only one baptism, Ephesians 4:5
We must determine which baptism is it?
Holy Spirit baptism or water baptism?

There cannot be two in Jesus' gospel says Paul, Ephesians 4:5.

Acts 8:38
So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Phillip and the Eunuch went down into the water and he baptized him.

The Ethiopian Eunch was water baptized into Christ. That was his conversion in the new covenant not the old Mosaical law.
Now, to follow basic Bible principles. We must infer that other baptisms in the name of Jesus Christ are water also.

Otherwise we are not being consistent with what we have already observed to be water baptism.

More examples:

Acts 2:38 is not Holy Spirit baptism for they receive the gift of the Holy Spirit after they are water baptized.

The conversion of Cornelius, same commanded baptism is water,
Acts 10:47-48.

Not once will you ever find Holy Spirit baptism a command!
It is not commanded but promised.

Only water immersion is commanded by Jesus in His gospel,

Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you...

We know Jesus is teaching Water immersion because He commands His disciples to do the baptizing.
Only men water baptize other men! No disciple(man) Holy Spirit baptizes another man.

Same with Jesus' gospel in Mark 16:15-16. This is being consistent, also when it is taught once it must be inferred in other passages that speak of Jesus' baptism in His gospel.

More proof the baptism in Jesus' gospel that is commanded is water immersion.
Acts 19:1-7 Paul baptizes the Ephesians in water. Then later he lays hands on them to receive gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Gifts or a gift of the Holy Spirit, Acts 2:38. Is not Holy Spirit baptism. They are seperate.

Conclusion: Mark 16:15-16 is mistaken by some as Holy Spirit baptism.
It cannot be for the reasons I have stated.

Write or email a Greek scholar. Do you have any friends that are Greek scholars?
You ask them what baptism is in Mark 16:15-16.
Matthew 28:19
Acts 22:16
Acts 10:47-48
Acts 16:33 etc.
1Corinthians 12:13


These conversions to Christ were all the same Greek word baptizo.
That Greek word is only used for water immersion never any other kind of baptism.

Sorry, my friend. You are not reading Ephesians 5:26 in context. The context of Ephesians 5:26 that says, “being the washing of the water by the Word” is obedience to God by loving one’s wife as Christ loved the church (which is a command to Husbands, which is a part of Holy Scripture).

For it is by this “washing of the water by Word” that…

#1. We should be holy and without blemish (verse 27)
(Note: Peter says, be holy in all your conduct, because it is written,
“Be holy, for I am holy.” - 1 Peter 1:15-16)

#2. We ought to love our wives as our own bodies (verse 28)
(Note: Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments - John 14:15).

#3. Husbands are to love their loves as Christ loved the church and He gave Himself for it. (Note: Meaning, husbands are to love their wives in conduct just as Jesus loved the church in conduct by giving Himself for her. For Jesus’ meat was to do the will of the Father (John 4:34) and He followed the WORDS of God the Father. Remember, Jesus asked if there was another way (Matthew 26:39), but Jesus trusted and obeyed God the Father’s words and gave Himself as a sacrifice. Philippians 2:8-9 says, “And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:”)

Source:
Ephesians 5 KJV

Also, when you read verse 26, Jesus is saying that He might sanctify and cleanse it with the WASHING of the water by the WORD. If it was a one time event of being washed the word WASHED (past tense) would have been used. Jesus is to sanctify and cleanse the church (this is not a one time event) and He is to do by the WASHING of the water of the Word.

The whole point of the washing of the water BY THE WORD is this:

John says, “But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.” (1 John 2:5).

Jesus is God. For the love of God (love of Christ) to be perfected, we are to keep His word. This is how we can know we are in Him. Keeping His words (or keeping His commandments - which is by Scripture). So just as Christ loved the church, and He gave Himself for it (by the words of God the Father), we are also to love our wives by God’s command or words. For Christ gave Himself for the church so that they may be holy in conduct by the washing of the water of the WORD (Scripture).

For all Scripture is profitable for instruction in righteousness so that the man of God may be perfect unto all good works (See: 2 Timothy 3:16-17).

If you disagree on this point in Ephesians 5:25-27, I think it is best to agree to disagree and move on involving this passage (Seeing you are not reading the Bible in context).

 

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Peter was not ignorant in water baptizing the first gentile convert Cornelius.
It was the true gospel coming directly from God.
Paul while preaching the same gospel water baptized some of the Corinthian church.
Read 1Corinthians 1.

Paul said he water baptized Crispus and Gaius
Paul also said he water baptized the household of Stephanas.
That was not done out of ignorance but through the miraculous knowledge of the Holy Spirit that guided him into ALL Truth.

You are not getting what 1 Corinthians 1:17 says, though. It's a verse that you have to shoot at endlessly, or punching perpetually into oblivion so it fits your belief that the gospel includes water baptism.

Here is the verse:

Source:
1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with words of wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

Paul is saying that Christ sent Paul not to baptize, BUT... (different opposing NEW thought here)....

to preach the gospel.
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Paul continues to say that the gospel was also not with wisdom of words, lest (otherwise) the cross of Christ should be made of none (no) effect. I would also say that Christ did not send Paul to baptize it would also mean that the cross of Christ would be of no effect, as well. The whole sentence is connected together. For Paul says in verse 18 the following words:

1 Corinthians 1:18
“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.”

Jesus did not say the preaching of baptism is to them that perish foolishness. Paul says that it is the preaching of the cross that perishes foolishness. Notice the second half of verse 18. It is saying to them that are saved... this preaching of the cross is for us which are saved.... it is the POWER of GOD.

Again, the silliness of your argument is that you want water baptism to be the gospel, and yet that makes no sense when we read 1 Corinthians 1:17.

This would mean Paul said, Christ sent me not to baptize (implement the action of gospel) but to preach the gospel (preach water baptism). But this makes no sense because in verse 18, Paul talks about the preaching of the cross and not the preaching of water baptism that saves a person. Again, it just seems like you are fighting the text here and trying to do a work around to fit your already established belief by your church or what you want to be true.

 

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The error you are making is assuming that Holy Spirit baptism keeps an apostle from willful sins.

It does not control their will.

Peter as all the apostles can go against the Spirit.

That is all that occurred with Peter,in Galatians 2:11-15.

Peter knew he was doing wrong. He went against God! Just as any man does from time to time.

Was Peter capable of making this mistake again? If not, why?

Well, I don’t believe Peter would make this mistake again because Peter was not fully aware of what he was doing.

After Paul rebuked him, then full knowledge of his mistake was out in the open for him to see what he was doing wrong.

Also, again, Peter did not know about the Gentiles being included until God gave Peter the vision and made him to go to a Gentiles house (of which Peter thought was very unorthodox). Peter was not in 100% super knowledge at this point on the Gentiles being included until it happened. God was revealing things to Peter as God seen fit to show Peter at the proper time and not before.

Let me give you another example.

The disciples did not know of Jesus' death and resurrection before the cross.

Yet, Jesus spoke of His death and resurrection cryptically.

Jesus did not sit down His disciples and use hand puppets and explain things clearly on what was about to happen.

Paul made no mistake as you claim in Acts 21.


He knew what he was doing because the Holy Spirit was guiding him into ALL TRUTH.


Paul in fact kept the law of Moses for all the right reasons.

Not out of ignorance as you claim but for the reason of spreading the gospel to his Jewish brethren.


You are aware that Paul had to teach Jews in the temple?

Jewish law does not allow anyone to go into the temple without doing Jewish rituals in their law.


That is why Paul did these Acts from the old law.

He knew exactly what he was doing,

Acts 21: 26

Then Paul took the men and the next day, having been purified with them, entered the temple to announce the expiration of the days of purification, at time an offering should be made for each one of them.


Paul knowing that it was not sin for him not to keep the Jewish law.

Went along with Jewish customs as to not offend the jews.

If he had offended the Jews. He could have never convinced the Jews that he was a servant of God.


If you go into a Muslim mosque to teach others the gospel.

And the rules of the mosque are that you must be cleaned in some Muslim tradition.

Are you going to refuse or are you going to go along with customs to teach the gospel.

Yes, I am going to refuse to go along with Muslim traditions because it is tied to spiritual darkness.

The New Covenant began with Christ's death and the Old Covenant ended. All of the Old Testament laws were technically no more when Christ died upon the cross. Christ implemented new laws or commands that He gave us from the gospels, and by commands given to us by His followers. God was allowing for the Old Covenant ways to pass away from God's people (the Jews). He was giving them grace to see that they were no longer under the Old Law. God was allowing them time to reform from the Old ways because God knows it would be hard for them to give up the Old ways right away or for new Jewish converts to Christ to give up the Old ways.

While I have many reasons why it was wrong for Paul to go back to the Old Law in Acts 21, let me tell you one reason why it was wrong for him to do so in his attempt to go through with animal sacrifices again from the Od Covenant system.

Tattoos are wrong according to both the New Covenant and Old New Covenant.

The question is… why? Well, in the New Covenant, we learn in 1 Corinthians 3:17 that it says if any man defiles the temple, God will destroy Him.

But on a deeper level… what is really wrong with a tattoo?

Blood.

It’s the blood that is shed when a person gets a tattoo.
See, when God told Abraham to circumcise… blood was shed. A covenant was being made.

When a husband gets married to his wife (who is a virgin), and they have their honeymoon.
Blood is shed by her virginity being lost. A covenant is made between the husband and wife on a physical level.

When Christ died upon the cross and shed His blood, a New Covenant was made.

This is why it was wrong for Paul to want to shed the blood of animals under the Old Covenant system. Shedding blood is covenant making and if that Covenant is not ordained by God, it’s of another kingdom instead. For there are only two kingdoms a person can serve.

The Old Covenant ways passed away and is no more. The New Covenant is now in place.
It took time for the Jewish Christians to figure this out.
If you don’t get it after this, I really cannot help you except to tell you to maybe pray about it and read the Scriptures more on the topic.

Blessings be unto you in the Lord.

 

[Titus]

Well, it's because Peter was not fully aware of what he was doing

Peter was guided into all truth.
A fact that you deny, John 16:13-15

It does not matter that Peter did not know about the gentiles.
For when it was time for God to reveal that the gentiles are chosen, PETER KNEW.

So, yes as I already agreed with you not everything , Apostles had full understanding ,was imparted in Acts chapter 2:1-8

It it doesn't prove your point that Peter was teaching error while being guided by the Holy Spirit.
He was not.
Did Peter not know what he was doing in Acts 2?
Well, he obviously did because only the Jews were to hear the gospel.

If Peter did not understand like you accuse him.
Then why did he know not to preach to gentiles?
He knew what he was teaching.

You cannot get around the fact that All the apostles that received Holy Spirit baptism were guided into ALL truth. You don't believe what the Scriptures teach.

I do. You will not convince me the apostles who were lead by the Holy Spirit did not know what they were doing.

The disciples did not know of Jesus' death and resurrection before the cross

Irrelevant. So what? They did not know at that time.
God made sure they did know when it was time for them to know.

No one was without knowing what to do to be saved when the apostles were Holy Spirit baptized and began preaching as the Spirit gave them utterance. Your argument is of no consequence.

Yes, I am going to refuse to go along with Muslim traditions because it is tied to spiritual darkness.

Then you do not understand why Paul,was keeping the customs of the Jews in Acts.

Paul,disagrees with you. He did keep customs to win the Jews to Christ.

As I already taught, Paul never kept any Jewish law that violated Jesus' new will and testament.

So, you won't go along with customs to spread the gospel? Paul did, and he is your example!

You won't take your shoes off in Japan to teach families?

Is that spiritual darkness?

Paul was not worshipping other Gods for crying out loud.

He was keeping the customs to win souls to Christ,

Acts 20:20-21
How I kept back nothing that was helpful, but proclaimed it to you, and taught you publicly and from house to house.
Testifying to Jews and also to Greeks, repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul's gospel was taught by Paul to Jews and Gentiles.
Because he was guided by the Holy Spirit to do so. Acts 20:21-25

And indeed, now I know that you all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, will see my face no more.
Paul preached the kingdom of God to Jews and gentiles.

 

[Titus]

Was Peter capable of making this mistake again? If not, why?

Well, I don’t believe Peter would make this mistake again because Peter was not fully aware of what he was doing.

After Paul rebuked him, then full knowledge of his mistake was out in the open for him to see what he was doing wrong.

Also, again, Peter did not know about the Gentiles being included until God gave Peter the vision and made him to go to a Gentiles house (of which Peter thought was very unorthodox). Peter was not in 100% super knowledge at this point on the Gentiles being included until it happened. God was revealing things to Peter as God seen fit to show Peter at the proper time and not before.

Let me give you another example.

The disciples did not know of Jesus' death and resurrection before the cross.

Yet, Jesus spoke of His death and resurrection cryptically.

Jesus did not sit down His disciples and use hand puppets and explain things clearly on what was about to happen.




Yes, I am going to refuse to go along with Muslim traditions because it is tied to spiritual darkness.

The New Covenant began with Christ's death and the Old Covenant ended. All of the Old Testament laws were technically no more when Christ died upon the cross. Christ implemented new laws or commands that He gave us from the gospels, and by commands given to us by His followers. God was allowing for the Old Covenant ways to pass away from God's people (the Jews). He was giving them grace to see that they were no longer under the Old Law. God was allowing them time to reform from the Old ways because God knows it would be hard for them to give up the Old ways right away or for new Jewish converts to Christ to give up the Old ways.

While I have many reasons why it was wrong for Paul to go back to the Old Law in Acts 21, let me tell you one reason why it was wrong for him to do so in his attempt to go through with animal sacrifices again from the Od Covenant system.

Tattoos are wrong according to both the New Covenant and Old New Covenant.

The question is… why? Well, in the New Covenant, we learn in 1 Corinthians 3:17 that it says if any man defiles the temple, God will destroy Him.

But on a deeper level… what is really wrong with a tattoo?

Blood.

It’s the blood that is shed when a person gets a tattoo.
See, when God told Abraham to circumcise… blood was shed. A covenant was being made.

When a husband gets married to his wife (who is a virgin), and they have their honeymoon.
Blood is shed by her virginity being lost. A covenant is made between the husband and wife on a physical level.

When Christ died upon the cross and shed His blood, a New Covenant was made.

This is why it was wrong for Paul to want to shed the blood of animals under the Old Covenant system. Shedding blood is covenant making and if that Covenant is not ordained by God, it’s of another kingdom instead. For there are only two kingdoms a person can serve.

The Old Covenant ways passed away and is no more. The New Covenant is now in place.
It took time for the Jewish Christians to figure this out.
If you don’t get it after this, I really cannot help you except to tell you to maybe pray about it and read the Scriptures more on the topic.

Blessings be unto you in the Lord.

Tattoos are wrong according to both the New Covenant and Old New Covenant.

The question is… why? Well, in the New Covenant, we learn in 1 Corinthians 3:17 that it says if any man defiles the temple, God will destroy Him.

But on a deeper level… what is really wrong with a tattoo?

Blood.

This is speculation on your part. I am against tattoos but the blood that is shed does not equate to
Any of those examples you gave, pure speculation.
You cannot find a scripture that teaches blood that is shed during tattooing is why they are sin.

The question is… why? Well, in the New Covenant, we learn in 1 Corinthians 3:17 that it says if any man defiles the temple, God will destroy Him.

Mark 7:15
There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man.

The Old Covenant ways passed away and is no more. The New Covenant is now in place.

I agree , we are not under the law of Moses. I never was.
But I disagree that the Apostles did not know this since they were lead by God to know all things.

 

[Titus]

You are not getting what 1 Corinthians 1:17 says, though. It's a verse that you have to shoot at endlessly, or punching perpetually into oblivion so it fits your belief that the gospel includes water baptism.

Here is the verse:

Source:
1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with words of wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

Paul is saying that Christ sent Paul not to baptize, BUT... (different opposing NEW thought here)....

to preach the gospel.
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Paul continues to say that the gospel was also not with wisdom of words, lest (otherwise) the cross of Christ should be made of none (no) effect. I would also say that Christ did not send Paul to baptize it would also mean that the cross of Christ would be of no effect, as well. The whole sentence is connected together. For Paul says in verse 18 the following words:

1 Corinthians 1:18
“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.”

Jesus did not say the preaching of baptism is to them that perish foolishness. Paul says that it is the preaching of the cross that perishes foolishness. Notice the second half of verse 18. It is saying to them that are saved... this preaching of the cross is for us which are saved.... it is the POWER of GOD.

Again, the silliness of your argument is that you want water baptism to be the gospel, and yet that makes no sense when we read 1 Corinthians 1:17.

This would mean Paul said, Christ sent me not to baptize (implement the action of gospel) but to preach the gospel (preach water baptism). But this makes no sense because in verse 18, Paul talks about the preaching of the cross and not the preaching of water baptism that saves a person. Again, it just seems like you are fighting the text here and trying to do a work around to fit your already established belief by your church or what you want to be true.

Baptism in water.
Is it in the One gospel?

Did Peter preach it, Acts 2:38, yes in the name of Jesus Christ. That is the baptism in the new covenant.

Did Jesus preach it? Yes, Mark 16:15-16

Did Paul baptize the Corinthian church? Yes, it was also in Paul's gospel,

Acts 18:8
Then Cripus the ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord, with all his household. And many of the Corinthians, hearing, believed and were baptized.

If Paul was in error for water baptizing the Corinthian church.
Then why not once did Paul repent of teaching a false gospel?

The very next verse Has God speaking to Paul. You would think God would of told Paul that he should not have baptized the Corinthians.

Acts 17:9-10
Now the Lord spoke to Paul in the night by a vision, Do not be afraid, but speak and do not keep silent.
FOR I AM WITH YOU, and no one will attack you to hurt you; for I have many people in this city.


You need to get a Greek Scholar to tell you what Baptism is being taught in 1Corinthians 12:13.

I know what the Greek Scholar's teach. It is baptizo, water immersion.

1Corinthians 1:17
For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be of no effect. Paul's point is it is not important who does the baptizing. Anyone can baptize another man. Paul was commanded to preach. Yet he did also baptize.

Again read the whole 1st. Chapter. Then you will know why Paul did not want to baptize the Corinthian church,
1Corinthians 1:10-15.
They were saying Paul's baptism instead of who it really was, Christ's baptism.
12-17
Now I say this, that each of you says, I am of Paul, or I am of Cephas, or I am of Christ.
Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or where you baptized in the name of Paul?
I thank God I baptized none of except Crispus and Gaius.
Lest anybody should say I baptized in my own name.
Yes I also baptized the household of Stephanas, besides I do not know whether I baptized any other
For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, not with words of wisdom, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.

Jesus taught water baptism in His gospel, John 3:5 ; Mark 16:15-16.
Paul water baptized when he taught those the gospel.

Therefore the gospel of Christ includes water immersion.
Fact, every personal conversion we have in the book of Acts, they were all water baptized.
It is in the gospel, Mark 16:15-16


You create a dichotomy between The preaching of the cross and the conditions for forgiveness that is not in Jesus' gospel.

For instance,
The act of baptism that Paul teaches in 1Corinthians 1 that is one of the requirements for forgiveness of sins.

This act of faith In obedience to Jesus gospel symbolically represents the cross of Christ.

To exclude immersion from the gospel is excluding the preaching of the cross in its essentiality to become separated from that former life we once lived.
And born again in the likeness of Christ.

Baptism is the symbolic re-enactment of Jesus death, burial and ressurection.

When we submit to baptism we are being baptized Into Christ and into His death,
Our old manner of Life is crucified with Him that the former manner of life should be destroyed.

Thus baptism is part of preaching of the cross, in the gospel.

Romans 6:1-6
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been United Together in the likeness of His death certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His ressurection.
Knowing this, that our old man was CRUCIFIED WITH HIM that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

Paul's gospel is the preaching of the cross.
This is why he preached water immersion.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

I believe confusion over this topic arises because folks do not
understand the different aspects of salvation in regards to time.

Amen! This has definitely solved the Confusion, for me, anyway:

"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not
trust in ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who delivered
us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in Whom we trust that He
will yet deliver us;" (2 Corinthians 1:9-10 KJB!) =

The THREE Tenses Of God's ETERNAL Salvation:

Precious friend(s), Is not the Solution to Confusion recognizing
God's Differences Between "HIS Relationship With us," And
"our fellowship with HIM!"?

God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply:

1) Past Tense = "...God delivered us from so great a death...":

God Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship With
those who humbly repent and:

believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
HIS Death (Precious BLOOD), Burial, And HIS Resurrection,
According To The Scriptures!
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB!)

"GRACE Through faith" In The Merits
Of HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:

All sins Forgiven, His Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!
(Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 2:13; Romans 6:23; Romans 5:1)

This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Penalty of sin,
The So Great A [Second ] Death! (Revelation 21:8) =
Justification and Spiritual Sanctification
(2 Corinthians 1:10a cp Romans 3:24)

(More Biblical Confirmation is here: God's ETERNAL Assurance! And:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!)

God's ETERNAL Justification/Relationship Is First, And, Then:

(2) Present Tense = "...God doth deliver us...":

All believers Should do "good works" {Which will Never
Equal CHRIST's Payment For the above Penalty of sin!},
for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform
for Him, having "been Called into fellowship With Him!"
(Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 1:9) Amen?:

We "work out our own salvation" (Philippians 2:12). This
Should Be a lifetime of Daily submission, and renewing,
being "not conformed to this world" (Romans 12:1-2),
for Grace Deliverance From the Power of sin!}
(2 Corinthians 1:10b) = personal sanctification:

(2a) Christ Living In us, To Fulfil:

All Of His Law, In "One Word: Love thy neighbor
as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10) ​

(2b) His Spirit Guiding and Teaching us, How To:

"Study to shew thyself Approved Unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly
Dividing The Word Of Truth!" (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB)​

Eternal Results: reward {or loss} (1 Corinthians 3:8-15),
ruling and reigning With CHRIST, Which Will Finally Be
At The Judgment Day:

(3) Future Tense = "...God Will Yet Deliver us":

CHRIST's Glorification of All "members" Of HIS Body!!
{This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Presence of sin!}
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57;
2 Corinthians 1:10c). Hallelujah! Praise HIS Excellent Name!!
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Conclusion:

BIG Differences Between the THREE tenses Of God's Eternal Salvation,
And Between God's Relationship And our fellowship! Correct?

Please Be Very Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 3:9 = GRACE/Mystery
fellowship {Romans – Philemon}, For All “To See,” today?)

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Amen! This has definitely solved the Confusion, for me, anyway:

"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not
trust in ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who delivered
us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in Whom we trust that He
will yet deliver us;" (2 Corinthians 1:9-10 KJB!) =

The THREE Tenses Of God's ETERNAL Salvation:

Precious friend(s), Is not the Solution to Confusion recognizing
God's Differences Between "HIS Relationship With us," And
"our fellowship with HIM!"?

God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply:

1) Past Tense = "...God delivered us from so great a death...":

God Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship With
those who humbly repent and:

believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
HIS Death (Precious BLOOD), Burial, And HIS Resurrection,
According To The Scriptures!
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB!)

"GRACE Through faith" In The Merits
Of HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:

All sins Forgiven, His Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!
(Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 2:13; Romans 6:23; Romans 5:1)

This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Penalty of sin,
The So Great A [Second ] Death! (Revelation 21:8) =
Justification and Spiritual Sanctification
(2 Corinthians 1:10a cp Romans 3:24)

(More Biblical Confirmation is here: God's ETERNAL Assurance! And:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!)

God's ETERNAL Justification/Relationship Is First, And, Then:

(2) Present Tense = "...God doth deliver us...":

All believers Should do "good works" {Which will Never
Equal CHRIST's Payment For the above Penalty of sin!},
for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform
for Him, having "been Called into fellowship With Him!"
(Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 1:9) Amen?:

We "work out our own salvation" (Philippians 2:12). This
Should Be a lifetime of Daily submission, and renewing,
being "not conformed to this world" (Romans 12:1-2),
for Grace Deliverance From the Power of sin!}
(2 Corinthians 1:10b) = personal sanctification:

(2a) Christ Living In us, To Fulfil:

All Of His Law, In "One Word: Love thy neighbor
as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10) ​

(2b) His Spirit Guiding and Teaching us, How To:

"Study to shew thyself Approved Unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly
Dividing The Word Of Truth!" (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB)​

Eternal Results: reward {or loss} (1 Corinthians 3:8-15),
ruling and reigning With CHRIST, Which Will Finally Be
At The Judgment Day:

(3) Future Tense = "...God Will Yet Deliver us":

CHRIST's Glorification of All "members" Of HIS Body!!
{This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Presence of sin!}
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57;
2 Corinthians 1:10c). Hallelujah! Praise HIS Excellent Name!!
----------------------------------
Conclusion:

BIG Differences Between the THREE tenses Of God's Eternal Salvation,
And Between God's Relationship And our fellowship! Correct?

Please Be Very Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 3:9 = GRACE/Mystery
fellowship {Romans – Philemon}, For All “To See,” today?)

I am strongly in disagreement with the Church of Christ because they think water baptism is the entrance gate to salvation or the gospel. However, we cannot be saved by works when we first come to God otherwise we would be making a work the foundation of our salvation. I see this as extremely troublesome. For if we are saved by works when we first get saved, then there is no grace and forgiveness. If we are saved by works when we first come to God, then how do we receive grace if we happen to stumble on rare occasion? Do we do another work to redeem that sin? Surely not. We confess of our sins to the Lord Jesus Christ and He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. We are to boldly come before the throne of grace and find mercy in time of need.

Where I believe we disagree is on the following:

I believe only past sin is forgiven and not future sin. For why would Jesus tell us about how looking at a woman in lust could cause us to be cast bodily into hell fire in Matthew 5:28-30? Why would Paul list various sins and say that they which do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God?

I believe the Bible teaches that we have to confess and forsake sin if we are to enter the Kingdom (1 John 1:9) (1 John 1:7) (Proverbs 28:13). It starts with being saved by God's grace without works, but then believers need to take the next step in God's plan of salvation by entering the Sanctification Process of the Holy Spirit and live holy by God's power. If not, they are not going to make it (unfortunately). Narrow is the way and few be there that find it. Believers cannot abide in sins like murder, theft, hatred, adultery, etcetera and die in those sins without confessing and forsaking them and still be saved. God's grace is not a license for immorality or a safety net to sin (Jude 1:4). I wish things were that easy, but it simply is not the case. The Bible makes it clear that we are to follow after holiness without which no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14). There are many warnings in Scripture about these things that I have endlessly talked about with other Christians on various forms, but many today just cannot see them.

 

[Titus]

Amen! This has definitely solved the Confusion, for me, anyway:

"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not
trust in ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who delivered
us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in Whom we trust that He
will yet deliver us;" (2 Corinthians 1:9-10 KJB!) =

The THREE Tenses Of God's ETERNAL Salvation:

Precious friend(s), Is not the Solution to Confusion recognizing
God's Differences Between "HIS Relationship With us," And
"our fellowship with HIM!"?

God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply:

1) Past Tense = "...God delivered us from so great a death...":

God Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship With
those who humbly repent and:

believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
HIS Death (Precious BLOOD), Burial, And HIS Resurrection,
According To The Scriptures!
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB!)

"GRACE Through faith" In The Merits
Of HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:

All sins Forgiven, His Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!
(Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 2:13; Romans 6:23; Romans 5:1)

This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Penalty of sin,
The So Great A [Second ] Death! (Revelation 21:8) =
Justification and Spiritual Sanctification
(2 Corinthians 1:10a cp Romans 3:24)

(More Biblical Confirmation is here: God's ETERNAL Assurance! And:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!)

God's ETERNAL Justification/Relationship Is First, And, Then:

(2) Present Tense = "...God doth deliver us...":

All believers Should do "good works" {Which will Never
Equal CHRIST's Payment For the above Penalty of sin!},
for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform
for Him, having "been Called into fellowship With Him!"
(Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 1:9) Amen?:

We "work out our own salvation" (Philippians 2:12). This
Should Be a lifetime of Daily submission, and renewing,
being "not conformed to this world" (Romans 12:1-2),
for Grace Deliverance From the Power of sin!}
(2 Corinthians 1:10b) = personal sanctification:

(2a) Christ Living In us, To Fulfil:

All Of His Law, In "One Word: Love thy neighbor
as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10) ​

(2b) His Spirit Guiding and Teaching us, How To:

"Study to shew thyself Approved Unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly
Dividing The Word Of Truth!" (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB)​

Eternal Results: reward {or loss} (1 Corinthians 3:8-15),
ruling and reigning With CHRIST, Which Will Finally Be
At The Judgment Day:

(3) Future Tense = "...God Will Yet Deliver us":

CHRIST's Glorification of All "members" Of HIS Body!!
{This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Presence of sin!}
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57;
2 Corinthians 1:10c). Hallelujah! Praise HIS Excellent Name!!
----------------------------------
Conclusion:

BIG Differences Between the THREE tenses Of God's Eternal Salvation,
And Between God's Relationship And our fellowship! Correct?

Please Be Very Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 3:9 = GRACE/Mystery
fellowship {Romans – Philemon}, For All “To See,” today?)

Salvation and Eternal life has differences

Salvation is now for the faithfull Eternal life is to come but only for the faithfull.

Salvation

2Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. Cannot have salvation outside of Christ,

Acts 4:12
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved. Salvation and eternal life is IN Christ.

Romans 13:11
And do this knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed.

Hebrews 9:28
So Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

1Peter 1:5-9
-9 receiving the end of your faith the salvation of your souls.

Eternal Life

Ephesians 1:11
In Him also we have obtained an inheritance....

1John 5:11
And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life and this life is in His Son.

1Peter 1:3-4
To an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, resevered in heaven for you.

1John 2:25
And this is the promise that He has promised us--eternal life.

Titus 1:1-2
In hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began.

Titus 3:7
That having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Salvation is obtained when Christ forgives our sins.
It is not hoped for by the saved christian.

Eternal salvation is not yet obtained.
It is hoped for by faithful Christians.

Salvation and Eternal life is only found in Christ.

Galatians 3:26-27
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

In Christ is where all the spiritual blessings are.

 

[Titus]

I am strongly in disagreement with the Church of Christ because they think water baptism is the entrance gate to salvation or the gospel. However, we cannot be saved by works when we first come to God otherwise we would be making a work the foundation of our salvation. I see this as extremely troublesome. For if we are saved by works when we first get saved, then there is no grace and forgiveness. If we are saved by works when we first come to God, then how do we receive grace if we happen to stumble on rare occasion? Do we do another work to redeem that sin? Surely not. We confess of our sins to the Lord Jesus Christ and He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. We are to boldly come before the throne of grace and find mercy in time of need.

Where I believe we disagree is on the following:

I believe only past sin is forgiven and not future sin. For why would Jesus tell us about how looking at a woman in lust could cause us to be cast bodily into hell fire in Matthew 5:28-30? Why would Paul list various sins and say that they which do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God?

I believe the Bible teaches that we have to confess and forsake sin if we are to enter the Kingdom (1 John 1:9) (1 John 1:7) (Proverbs 28:13). It starts with being saved by God's grace without works, but then believers need to take the next step in God's plan of salvation by entering the Sanctification Process of the Holy Spirit and live holy by God's power. If not, they are not going to make it (unfortunately). Narrow is the way and few be there that find it. Believers cannot abide in sins like murder, theft, hatred, adultery, etcetera and die in those sins without confessing and forsaking them and still be saved. God's grace is not a license for immorality or a safety net to sin (Jude 1:4). I wish things were that easy, but it simply is not the case. The Bible makes it clear that we are to follow after holiness without which no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14). There are many warnings in Scripture about these things that I have endlessly talked about with other Christians on various forms, but many today just cannot see them.

That's all foriegn to Jesus gospel.
The works in Jesus gospel are not meritorious in nature.
No one works themselves into heaven.

I kinda of remember you from Christian Forums.
You are the one that teaches salvation can be forfeited.
OSAS is unbiblical.

I'm New Testament Christian if you remember me.

Its impossible to be saved without works.
Do you believe we are saved without any kind of works?

If you do then, how can you not see your contradiction in your theology?

You say we are not saved by works ie saved without works.

Then you say if we do not do works we will be lost ie after saved without works.

That doesn't make logical sense

 

[kcnalp]

Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That's all foriegn to Jesus gospel.
The works in Jesus gospel are not meritorious in nature.
No one works themselves into heaven.

I kinda of remember you from Christian Forums.
You are the one that teaches salvation can be forfeited.
OSAS is unbiblical.

I'm New Testament Christian if you remember me.

Its impossible to be saved without works.
Do you believe we are saved without any kind of works?

If you do then, how can you not see your contradiction in your theology?

You say we are not saved by works ie saved without works.

Then you say if we do not do works we will be lost ie after saved without works.

That doesn't make logical sense

In post #216 I explain how there are two aspects (or processes) of salvation.

To summarize what I said:

The 1st aspect of salvation is being saved by God's grace through faith (belief) in Jesus as the Savior or believing that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and risen the third day (for salvation) (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). It can include seeking forgiveness of one's past life of sin with the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 10:13), and inviting Christ into your life (John 1:12). This aspect of salvation is a process of salvation that does not involve works (Ephesians 2:8-9) because it is based upon a belief and it based upon throwing yourself down upon the mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ. It's God's grace and forgiveness and not a works based aspect of salvation.

The 2nd aspect of salvation is entering into the Sanctification Process with the Holy Spirit so as to live a holy life by the power of God. This includes putting away sin, obeying God's commands, doing good works, keeping oneself pure or holy by the working of God that takes practice, prayer, and study and memorization of His Word (the Bible). This includes continuing to believe the doctrines in the Bible by faith, as well (With the gospel message taking chief among them - See 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). This is a process of salvation that is more action focused for the believer and it's goal is to purify oneself in loving God and all people. It would include loving even one's enemies. It's about abiding in God and the good work He wants to do through you. It's synergistic, so we have to cooperate with God in our walk with Him.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That's all foriegn to Jesus gospel.
The works in Jesus gospel are not meritorious in nature.
No one works themselves into heaven.

I kinda of remember you from Christian Forums.
You are the one that teaches salvation can be forfeited.
OSAS is unbiblical.

I'm New Testament Christian if you remember me.

Its impossible to be saved without works.
Do you believe we are saved without any kind of works?

If you do then, how can you not see your contradiction in your theology?

You say we are not saved by works ie saved without works.

Then you say if we do not do works we will be lost ie after saved without works.

That doesn't make logical sense

In short, I believe works do play a part in the salvation process but this would only exist in the 2nd Aspect of Salvation as a part of the Sanctification Process and it only is:

AFTER....

We are saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus as the Savior without works (Which is the 1st Aspect of Salvation).

In the SECOND ASPECT of salvation: I also see works as the works of God being done through the believer, and I don't believe they are my good works alone. For Jesus said we can do nothing without Him (John 15:5). I see all three persons of the Godhead or Trinity working within the believer (After they are first saved by God's grace - without works).

The issue of course is time.

Take for example Romans 11:6 that says:

“And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.” (Romans 11:6).​

Can you honestly say you believe this verse at face value?

I can say that I do because I see it as applying in how we FIRST get saved when we FIRST come to the Lord (i.e. INITIAL SALVATION).

James 2:17 says:

“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” (James 2:17).​

In this verse: Time has gone by for us as believers already here. So James here above is referring to the SECOND ASPECT OF SALVATION (After we are saved by God's grace without works).

James is referring to what happens after we are saved by faith only. James is saying that faith does not remain as... faith alone. It starts off that way... but it does not remain that way. James is talking about how we are growing and maturing in our walk in the Lord in living a holy life (Because Jesus lives inside of us).

James is not talking about Initial Salvation, but the Next Step in Our Salvation. For in context, James is talking to those who are already believers. The topic of discussion is that these believers are wrongfully being a respecter of persons because they are favoring the rich brethren over the poor brethren.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Galatians 2:20 (NKJV)
20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

I believe there are two sides of the coin of faith. Check out my write up here:

The Two Sides of the Coin of Faith

 

[GRACE ambassador]

the different aspects of salvation in regards to time. For there
are two major aspects of salvation a believer needs to be concerned with in this life.

Respectfully Disagree - see next statement:

I am strongly in disagreement with the Church of Christ because they think water baptism is the entrance gate to salvation or the gospel. However, we cannot be saved by works when we first come to God otherwise we would be making a work the foundation of our salvation.

Actually there are THREE aspects/tenses of time, believers wishing to
reach the world, with The Correct Gospel (NOT Accursed), need to be
Concerned with, were covered here: post # 247

And, I also apologize if I failed to s t r e s s that "The Precious BLOOD Of The
Only Saviour, JESUS CHRIST, Is God's FULL And All-Sufficient PAYMENT
FOR the Penalty Of All sin! IF IT, according to Critics, is at all INsufficient, then
"we are one and All LOST, as that means: "CHRIST Died In Vain!"
+
This post # 247 has nothing to do with "the church of Christ (Accursed?)."
It is Strictly Scriptural, With:

"God's ETERNAL Salvation By "GRACE Through faith."
Thank you for Re-reviewing.

A person is foundationally or ultimately saved by God’s grace because if they happen to sin on rare occasion in their Christian walk, they do not do a good work to absolve that sin, but they confess of their sins to Jesus in order to be forgiven of that sin

Again, this two aspect salvation will cause Confusion. ie:

1) "foundational or temporary" salvation promotes initial salvation is by
God's GRACE, but the ultimate Finishing of salvation is ULTIMATELY up to
the individual (who sins occasionally), repenting and being forgiven Again
And Again. Meaning IF they fail, "And DIE" Before "the Very LAST chance"
to repent/be forgiven, then they are ETERNALLY LOST?

2) Why is that Different than an individual who initially is forgiven,
and then NEVER (stops sinning) repents/gets additional forgiveness,
and IS ETERNALLY Lost? Of course the judging critics will claim
they "were NEVER saved to begin with." And HOW Exactly do they
know that, unless "they are God"? God Is THE Only JUDGE
Found in my Copy Of HIS PRESERVED Word (KJB! = we Agree).

Salvation, God's ULTIMATE Way - see below...

God did not make the matter of how one is saved complicated.

Amen! man Complicates it with the Combo of a "Judeo/christian" two-aspect
ethic theology, when TWO Different "Contexts Of God" need to be Rightly
Divided - ie:

"VERY Brief" Intro!

"Prophecy/Law" {earthly} Christ And The TWELVE gospel of the kingdom,
ISRAEL {past/future}

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

"Mystery/GRACE!" {Heavenly!} Gospel Of GRACE, Jew And Gentile "Equal!"
{Current, Today!} for The Body Of CHRIST!

CHRIST, And ONE apostle to the Gentiles, our “Pattern to follow!"
(1 Timothy 1:16)

continued in Part II...

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Part II
E-X-P-A-N-D-E-D for Clarification:

God's Context:

"Prophecy/Law" {earthly} Christ And The TWELVE gospel of the kingdom,
ISRAEL prominent! {past/future} Salvation by "faith PLUS works":

1) water baptism IS required; Please NEVER Change God's Pure Words
to fit Into man's theology/religion/tradition, etc. +
the "why" of water baptism is found in this study:

Luk 7:29 "And all the people that heard him, and the publicans,
justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
Luk 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected The Counsel
Of God against themselves, being not baptized of him."
+
Mar 16:16 "He that believeth AND is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned."
+
Act 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in The Name of Jesus Christ FOR the
remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
+
Jas 2:17 "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

Everyone is Now On Notice; the above is Only to: The Twelve tribes of ISRAEL
(James 1:1), Correct? If this is For you, then Which tribe, Exactly, are you in?

God's Context of "prophecy/law" (OT, John-Acts 7; Hebrews-Revelation)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

God's OTHER Context = "HIS Revelation Of The Mystery/GRACE"
(Acts 9 - Romans Through Philemon):

{Heavenly!} Gospel Of GRACE, Jew And Gentile "Equal!"
{Current, Today!} For The Body Of CHRIST!

Salvation By "GRACE Through faith, And MERCY":

Eph 2:4
"But God, Who is Rich in MERCY, For
His Great LOVE Wherewith He LOVED us,
Eph 2:5
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us
together With Christ, ( By GRACE ye are saved; )

Eph 2:6 And Hath raised us up together, and Made us
sit together in heavenly places In Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come He might shew
The Exceeding Riches Of His GRACE In His
Kindness Toward us Through Christ Jesus.

Eph 2:8 For By GRACE are ye saved Through faith;
and that not of yourselves: it is The Gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done,
But According To HIS MERCY He Saved us, By The Washing
Of Regeneration, And Renewing Of The Holy Ghost;
--------------------------------------
Conclusion:

Under God's "Revelation Of The Mystery Of GRACE,"
God's Salvation For ETERNAL (Not "temporary") Life, Is
God's OPERATION, Not ours, as Scripturally Affirmed/Confirmed
By 12 DOZEN Plain And Clear Passages, Under PURE GRACE!:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's ETERNAL Assurance!

Final note: "works, Good OR bad" are NOT for ETERNAL Life, BUT,
Are For rewards/lack of, when we are glorified, and Judged By HIM
In 1 Corinthians 3:8-15. Compare the "sinful, UNfaithful saint" in
1 Corinthians 5:5. Amen?
------------------------
GRACE And Peace...

 

[Behold]

--------

 

[Behold]

who "worketh righteousness" that are the ones God accepts .

Never.
Not ever.

God will never accept your righteousness, as you dont have any to offer Him.
This is why God had to die as Christ on the Cross, to give you HIS Righteousness as "the gift of Righteousness"......to accept you.

 

[Titus]

In short, I believe works do play a part in the salvation process but this would only exist in the 2nd Aspect of Salvation as a part of the Sanctification Process and it only is:

AFTER....

We are saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus as the Savior without works (Which is the 1st Aspect of Salvation)

I get the gist of your plan of salvation.

Again,

You are teaching we get saved without works.

AFTER WE HAVE BEEN SAVED WITHOUT WORKS:

Now we must be saved by works. OR To stay saved.

Sorry Sir, your doctrine contradicts itself.

It cannot be both!

That is double talk.

Either we are saved without works
Or
Saved with faith and works

You cannot say initially, I'm saved without works!!!

Then say, But if I don't do works I'm not going to be saved.


Trying to make this as simple as possible.

In your doctrine, if I do not do works I will not be saved.

Therefore, you cannot without contradiction say I am saved without works.

Its simply an impossibility.

The meaning of a person who has obtained salvation is saved.
Salvation: going to heaven

You teach,

Saved by faith alone ie Salvation: YES, will be in heaven.

You also teach,

Going to heaven by my salvation in faith alone: NO, without works going to hell.


The conclusion you have come to is a logical fallacy.
It is simply an impossibility.

Your Theology fails logic.
Therefore it is false.

The true gospel unto salvation is:

Faith and obedience to initially be saved.

THEN

Must stay faithfull, obedient to stay saved.

The other logical possibility is also true in Theory but not Biblical, it is.

Saved initially by faith alone. note: [Excepting the premise that faith is not a work in it self]
(I know in reality faith is a work so this gospel also has contradictions)

THEN

Saved permanently because of faith alone, regardless of works.

Those are the only two common doctrines that do not contradict themselves.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Never.
Not ever.

God will never accept your righteousness, as you dont have any to offer Him.
This is why God had to die as Christ on the Cross, to give you HIS Righteousness as "the gift of Righteousness"......to accept you.

Acts 10:35
"But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."

Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.