Thousands of Israeli people Praying at the Western Wall

[Heart2Soul]

Mat 22:29: "Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God."

You are ignorant of the scripture, because you choose to be. This is why you do not understand.

John 1:5: "And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

Jesus is Israel, but you refuse this.

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They after the flesh are done as a nation.

Rom 9:6: "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:"

What you see praying to stock and stone are not God's people.

Jer 2:27: "Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth: for they have turned their back unto me, and not their face: but in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise, and save us."

They do not worship my God.

Deu 32:31: "For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges."

They will wail yet louder still to come because they repent not of their rebellion against heaven.

Rev 1:7: "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."

They reject the offer that God provided in His Son. They are hopeless because they choose to be hopeless.

I may not fully have the revelation knowledge of all scripture but I am not ignorant of it.
I just interpret it different than you do.
So you can get down from your pedestal now....if you have knowledge to share that will edify believers here then great...but your presentation of it sucks...you have to beat us up with verbal criticism and try demeaning others as lacking knowledge....what you consider the correct interpretation is not what I interpret...so maybe you're the ignorant one...no I don't think you are....but neither am I.

 

[ReChoired]

I just interpret it different than you do.

2 Peter 1:20. Read it. Believe it.

I do not interpret scripture. God does in the word. Genesis 40:8; 2 Peter 1:20; Isaiah 28:10,13; Daniel 2:21-30.

It is Jesus by the Holy Ghost that opens the scriptures. Luke 24:45.

I may only "amen" scripture. Isaiah 8:20.

You constantly speak of yourself, and your feelings. The Holy Ghost does not speak of Himself as you do.

John 16:13: "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

You presently have Jesuit theology.

You have the private (of self, even as you admitted) interpretation. You are deceiving yourself. Once you cease from doing this, and ask God for wisdom, all will be clear:

Jam 1:5: "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."

You first have to put away your wisdom, which accordingly to scripture is foolishness.

1Cor 3:19: "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness."

 

[ReChoired]

you have to beat us up with verbal criticism and try demeaning others as lacking knowledge..

It is not meant to be demeaning in any way. I am simply telling you the truth and giving you the solution to your dilemma.

It is your pride in your wisdom that you need to address.

Do not be like this one:

Ezek 28:17: "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee."

It's ok to admit error. I am not looking to condemn you, but to help you. I was once like you, deceived.

John 3:17: "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

But take heed to someone who loves you with real love to tell you plainly of your error. Don't let it go to waste as so many others I meet.

John 3:19: "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

When the light comes to you, embrace it, study, pray, confess the error, forsake it, be clean, be in truth, it is so much more clear and whole and better:

Acts 18:26: "And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly."

There is a better way. If you choose you can keep looking to that lost place in the middle east, but you will miss what is really important. I have much more to tell you, but if the foundation is rejected, nothing else will make sense to you.

John 16:12: "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now."

1Cor 3:2: "I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able."

 

[ReChoired]

if you have knowledge to share that will edify believers here then great

I already have and you rejected it as I said you would. I provided the link, the picture and every scripture you need to be edified. You read into my words personal attacks. Make the distinction between person and theology, and you will see more clearly. You think someone telling you that you are in error as an attack against you. No, it is an attack against error that you hold.

When a person believes that 2+2=5, I tell them they are in error and need to correct themselves and align with truth. That is not demeaning. When a person is told that they are wrong and shown the correct answer, only the prideful person cannot admit their error, and instead double down into it, seeking to prove their correctness in any way possible. Don't do this.

Simply go back to what I shared with you about Israel. Read every scripture provided prayerfully and carefully. It is the way out. After you accept what God said in those texts, you will be able to see clearly the haze of error that had (and presenly does) surrounded you.

 

[ReChoired]

verbal criticism

Don't be so fragile, as to be unable to bear scrutiny and rebuke and correction from the word.

2Tim 3:16: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

2Tim 3:17: "That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

Rev 3:19: "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

Yet you will think the "I" is myself. Not so. I am only bearing a message of loving warning to help you from another.

There is a war being waged right now. I don't want you to be a casualty of it.

 

[ReChoired]

To prove my love to you, now that I have shared what was needful, I will no longer take up the time left given you so that you may of your own self take the next initiative. If you need to speak with me, about anything, you know how to get a hold of me, at least for now.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Do you understand that the Israel of God is made up of peoples from all tribes, nations, and tongues maam? Fleshly Israel has nothing to do with Jehovah any longer. Some of the Israel of God are citizens of the nation of Israel however, but the nation is of no religious significance to God.

I have to disagree....the purpose for salvation is because God doesn't want anyone to perish....absolutely no one....so whosoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved.
I have faith to believe for their salvation.

 

[Heart2Soul]

H2S:

Hosea 14: 1-8 prophecy - this is the promise of a returning remnant of National Jews back to God.

The promise of a 'return' was for a future generation from the time of Hosea...and not for today..

This prophecy was targeted and fulfilled for a remnant of National Jews during the time of Christ and his generation.

The two major themes are repentance and restoration. A remnant will turn to Christ during his generation and be restored into the tree of life and the family of God as any believer in this world of nations.

The fulfillment of this prophecy began with the birth and life of Yahshua and initially fulfilled at Pentecost. This prophecy was completely fulfilled in the consummation of Christ’s kingdom in heaven, and after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Paul speaks of this event and says he knows for sure how many of National Israel will be saved, the remnant, the 'all' of 'Israel' will be saved, upon Christ's return - when the exact number of believers of all the nations (gentiles) are reached.

That age of the OT, and with its separate and chosen people of the tribes of National Israel were permanently rescinded and forgotten by God with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. All must be now in Christ, regardless of your DNA and ancestry.

All of these National Jews were now part of the nations (gentiles) of the world as believers only, and no other labels attached. No more National Jew designation as many still make this claim today. No more separate, and chosen national Jew recognition. All were now believers in Christ or non-believers, as any people in the world. Christ died for all tribes of the world, whether they believe and have faith in him or not. It is up to God the Father, and his purpose, who knows all that shall come to his Son and his Christ.

Therefore, there are No national Jews living today, period, despite a political State that today exists in Palestine who call themselves Israelis (not Israelites).

So why still consider people that say they are Jews, regardless of were they live, as being recognized by God as National Jews? He does not recognize this 'new' designation per scripture and based on the blessed and saving gospel. If we are truly saved and knowing the gospel then we should also know there are no National Jews today recognized by God. Why persist with this confusion?

Breakout of the verse in your OP..
Verse 1. The command to “return” to be converted.

Verse 2. National Israel needs to bring to God genuine words of confession of their sin and ask for forgiveness.

Verse 3. They are to renounce seeking salvation in foreign alliances and in idolatry. They must come to God like the homeless and abandoned.

Verse 4. God promises to love them as a free gift without earning or working for his love.

Verses 5-7. Lebanon was a greener and possessed a richer farmland than Israel, and used here as a symbol of the different blessings of God that will come in the future for those who turn in believe and then faith in him. Farming was a typically used to show blessings with agricultural abundance. The audience knew that this kind of language was symbolic of many other sorts of blessings and not limited to material things.

Verse 8. The tribe of Ephraim is to mean the heart of the North. The promise of God, after their current exile is over, when his people would no longer practice the idolatry that had so long led them astray. Then those who had brought the fruit of their lips (see verse 2 again) would enjoy the fruit of God - his many rich blessings...

This Hosea prophecy was fulfilled nearly 2000 years ago.

Well you know me....but in a Bible Study Forum I take it very seriously. After all it is the written Word of God...the Living Word....so studying it should be taken seriously.

 

[Heart2Soul]

H2S:

Hosea 14: 1-8 prophecy - this is the promise of a returning remnant of National Jews back to God.

The promise of a 'return' was for a future generation from the time of Hosea...and not for today..

This prophecy was targeted and fulfilled for a remnant of National Jews during the time of Christ and his generation.

The two major themes are repentance and restoration. A remnant will turn to Christ during his generation and be restored into the tree of life and the family of God as any believer in this world of nations.

The fulfillment of this prophecy began with the birth and life of Yahshua and initially fulfilled at Pentecost. This prophecy was completely fulfilled in the consummation of Christ’s kingdom in heaven, and after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Paul speaks of this event and says he knows for sure how many of National Israel will be saved, the remnant, the 'all' of 'Israel' will be saved, upon Christ's return - when the exact number of believers of all the nations (gentiles) are reached.

That age of the OT, and with its separate and chosen people of the tribes of National Israel were permanently rescinded and forgotten by God with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. All must be now in Christ, regardless of your DNA and ancestry.

All of these National Jews were now part of the nations (gentiles) of the world as believers only, and no other labels attached. No more National Jew designation as many still make this claim today. No more separate, and chosen national Jew recognition. All were now believers in Christ or non-believers, as any people in the world. Christ died for all tribes of the world, whether they believe and have faith in him or not. It is up to God the Father, and his purpose, who knows all that shall come to his Son and his Christ.

Therefore, there are No national Jews living today, period, despite a political State that today exists in Palestine who call themselves Israelis (not Israelites).

So why still consider people that say they are Jews, regardless of were they live, as being recognized by God as National Jews? He does not recognize this 'new' designation per scripture and based on the blessed and saving gospel. If we are truly saved and knowing the gospel then we should also know there are no National Jews today recognized by God. Why persist with this confusion?

Breakout of the verse in your OP..
Verse 1. The command to “return” to be converted.

Verse 2. National Israel needs to bring to God genuine words of confession of their sin and ask for forgiveness.

Verse 3. They are to renounce seeking salvation in foreign alliances and in idolatry. They must come to God like the homeless and abandoned.

Verse 4. God promises to love them as a free gift without earning or working for his love.

Verses 5-7. Lebanon was a greener and possessed a richer farmland than Israel, and used here as a symbol of the different blessings of God that will come in the future for those who turn in believe and then faith in him. Farming was a typically used to show blessings with agricultural abundance. The audience knew that this kind of language was symbolic of many other sorts of blessings and not limited to material things.

Verse 8. The tribe of Ephraim is to mean the heart of the North. The promise of God, after their current exile is over, when his people would no longer practice the idolatry that had so long led them astray. Then those who had brought the fruit of their lips (see verse 2 again) would enjoy the fruit of God - his many rich blessings...

This Hosea prophecy was fulfilled nearly 2000 years ago.

I wonder if prophesy can apply more than once....in any case, you say it was fulfilled in 2000....yet 2000 years later we still see it being fulfilled in present day Israel...even more so as it ties in with Jerusalem being reinstated as the capital as prophesied.

Pondering......
Edit: I meant to quote you as saying 2000 years ago not in the year 2000...lol

 

[Heart2Soul]

Subjective nonsense. You 'discern in [your] spirit'? You know 'cause you just have a good feeling about it? You know, 'cause you know you know? Is it like a 'burning in the bosom' to quote an equally ridiculous phrase?

You don't have spiritual discernment?
Then you can't expect anyone to trust what you teach because you didn't discern what spirit was teaching you....

 

[GTW27]

"And with One voice will they worship Me"
Long time Heart2Soul. 2 years of rest to this day. And now I will answer concerning the prophets and the false prophets. The eyes are the lamps of the body. When one runs into a true prophet of The Lord, his eyes are on fire and the words flow like a river. And these are His fathers eyes and His Father's words. On another forum, there was a true prophet of The Lord, on a thread with you and I, and yet you knew it not. At election time, the true prophets had the words, but spoke not. All who spoke were destined to be false. The wheat and the tares have grown up together. The Lord sees the wheat, and The Lord sees the tares. Bring what is good out of your treasure and pay no mind to those that would attack you, or revile you, or speak evil of you, for truly they know not what they do.

Loved the video so much I played it 6 times just so I would get lost in the praise.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Don't be so fragile, as to be unable to bear scrutiny and rebuke and correction from the word.

2Tim 3:16: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

2Tim 3:17: "That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

Rev 3:19: "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

Yet you will think the "I" is myself. Not so. I am only bearing a message of loving warning to help you from another.

There is a war being waged right now. I don't want you to be a casualty of it.

You are simply quoting scripture that satisfies your perception of how you see things.
GOD did not tell you to share them with me for a rebuke.

"And with One voice will they worship Me"
Long time Heart2Soul. 2 years of rest to this day. And now I will answer concerning the prophets and the false prophets. The eyes are the lamps of the body. When one runs into a true prophet of The Lord, his eyes are on fire and the words flow like a river. And these are His fathers eyes and His Father's words. On another forum, there was a true prophet of The Lord, on a thread with you and I, and yet you knew it not. At election time, the true prophets had the words, but spoke not. All who spoke were destined to be false. The wheat and the tares have grown up together. The Lord sees the wheat, and The Lord sees the tares. Bring what is good out of your treasure and pay no mind to those that would attack you, or revile you, or speak evil of you, for truly they know not what they do.

Loved the video so much I played it 6 times just so I would get lost in the praise.

I loved the video as well....there is so much that you don't know about me...but what I will say is that unless a prophet continuously stays in fellowship with God they will eventually become deceived and speak what was not God speaking.
I have been through some major attacks..(trials and tribulations) and have remained silent for a long while now. The testing of my faith by fire was nearly my destruction. I have begun to gain some ground in returning back to that place of prayer and intercession seeking Him in all things....some things are happening through His intervention (leading my footsteps) and putting me in the path of the right individual who had the right words spoken at the right time that encouraged me that this season is near its end and a new season is beginning.
People like this are such a blessing because not only did they speak to me words or encouragement but also of situations they couldn't have known except through the voice of God.
So I conclude by saying I know who you are speaking of but where I was at that time hindered me because I couldn't comprehend his posts ..that was at the same time the trial by fire was happening.
So many other things that came against me and I became so weary and tired of the battle so I just stopped. Went into silence and have been there since.
Edit: this is the first thread I have started in a long time....so here I am...whether I am ready or not only God knows.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I have to disagree....the purpose for salvation is because God doesn't want anyone to perish....absolutely no one....so whosoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved.
I have faith to believe for their salvation.

No disagreement on that maam, you are absolutely right God, nor His people, want anyone to perish 2 Pet 3:9. But what we want is irrelevant, each person has to choose life, and choose to accept the requirements for life. What we do as Christians is plant seeds of truth that will either find good soil and grow, or not. Fact is maam, Jehovah sets the rules, and He identifies in His word what we are to do if we want salvation, and those who choose not to obey will not receive it, in fact the Bible points out that far more will be destroyed than be saved Mat 7:13,14

 

[Happy Trails]

I really don't understand how so many people believe God is done with Israel....this touches my heart seeing such a gathering of Jews who came to pray and worship our God.
Hosea 14 (KJV)
¹ O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.
² Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.
³ Asshur shall not save us; we will not ride upon horses: neither will we say any more to the work of our hands, Ye are our gods: for in thee the fatherless findeth mercy.
⁴ I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
⁵ I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon.
⁶ His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon.
⁷ They that dwell under his shadow shall return; they shall revive as the corn, and grow as the vine: the scent thereof shall be as the wine of Lebanon.

Romans 11:1-5
Among every tribe there are those who obey YHVH and those who don't.

Identity politics ruins everything.

 

[Happy Trails]

Paul said :

Romans 10:2-4

2 For I bear them record that they (the religious jews) have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. (John 14:6)

3 For they (the religious jew) = being ignorant of God's righteousness<(The Cross of Christ), and going about to establish their OWN righteousness, (LEGALISM)(Self Righteousness) have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. = Christ rejectors. = Hebrews 10:26 in the book of HEBREWS (Religious Jews).

4 For Christ is the >end of the law for righteousness<= to every one that believeth. (They do not believe).

Paul is saying they have a zeal for YHVH but lack knowledge of the Law. YHVH's righteousness IS the Law. They are trying to establish their own standard of righteousness. That is why Jesus reprimanded the Pharisees. It was NOT that they obeyed the Law, it was that they ADDED to it. The Pharisees believed that adding things to the Law would make them more "set apart" from the average person. That is what "Pharisee" means.

Paul says that the the carnal mind CANNOT and WILL NOT submit to the authority of YHVH's Law. (Romans 8:7) Carnal Christians refuse to submit to and obey God's Law. That is his message.

The word "end" in verse 4 is "telos." It does NOT mean "termination." it means "objective, or goal." The objective of the Law is to know Messiah. That is why the Law was our schoolmaster, to lead us to Messiah.

The same word is used in 1 Peter 1:9. That verse would mean, by your definition, that salvation is the termination of our faith. That is clearly not it. Salvation is the goal of our faith, not the termination of it.

Jesus told His disciples to do and teach the Torah. He NEVER said anything like, "after the resurrection, you can do whatever you want."

 

[Cooper]

But a converted Muslim is no longer a Muslim but a Christian.
As I understand it Muslim is a religion....am I correct?

The religion of Muslims is Islam.
.

 

[Cooper]

Many Muslims have genuine hearts toward God. They are serious in their worship, and more committed to Allah than many Christian vs are to Jesus. So God is granting them dreams. A man in a white robe leading them to Himself, Isa Al-Masih Amy the Injil, the gospel. 7

Allah who had three daughters is not God.

The Muslims had 365 gods, (idols) one for every day, they learnt a lot from the Jews until they ran him out of town, I think it was Medusa, but it is over 20 years ago when I did this, but before that happened they told Muhammed he should only have one God, so Muhammed smashed all the idols up, except one, and that was the one his grandfather looked after called Allah. They were very similar to the Israelites in many ways.
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[Heart2Soul]

The religion of Muslims is Islam.
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Okay so I looked it up and found that Muslim is to Islam as Christian is to Christianity.

 

[Heart2Soul]

No disagreement on that maam, you are absolutely right God, nor His people, want anyone to perish 2 Pet 3:9. But what we want is irrelevant, each person has to choose life, and choose to accept the requirements for life. What we do as Christians is plant seeds of truth that will either find good soil and grow, or not. Fact is maam, Jehovah sets the rules, and He identifies in His word what we are to do if we want salvation, and those who choose not to obey will not receive it, in fact the Bible points out that far more will be destroyed than be saved Mat 7:13,14

You are correct...we are sowers...
As scripture states....some plant, others water

Romans 11:1-5
Among every tribe there are those who obey YHVH and those who don't.

Identity politics ruins everything.

Yes and it is politics that began the decline of the church that Jesus started through Peter.

 

[Heart2Soul]

No disagreement on that maam, you are absolutely right God, nor His people, want anyone to perish 2 Pet 3:9. But what we want is irrelevant, each person has to choose life, and choose to accept the requirements for life. What we do as Christians is plant seeds of truth that will either find good soil and grow, or not. Fact is maam, Jehovah sets the rules, and He identifies in His word what we are to do if we want salvation, and those who choose not to obey will not receive it, in fact the Bible points out that far more will be destroyed than be saved Mat 7:13,14

I believe it says two thirds will be destroyed and one third saved.