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What was the big deal of what Christ sacrificed?
It must have even very big decision, because in the garden when faced with what was about to come, he asked that it be passed from him.
He also sweat great drops of blood when making his decision.
Didn’t he know that he would be killed but rise up on the third day and be seated next to the father?
Three days in the grave and later to be King of kings for eternity doesn’t sound like such a big deal when one considers the reward. After all he could see it was necessary, couldn’t he?
What did he lose?
What if he said no?
 

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What was the big deal of what Christ sacrificed?
It must have even very big decision, because in the garden when faced with what was about to come, he asked that it be passed from him.
He also sweat great drops of blood when making his decision.
Didn’t he know that he would be killed but rise up on the third day and be seated next to the father?
Three days in the grave and later to be King of kings for eternity doesn’t sound like such a big deal when one considers the reward. After all he could see it was necessary, couldn’t he?
What did he lose?
What if he said no?
Yeah exactly. Could Jesus say no?
 

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What was the big deal of what Christ sacrificed?
It must have even very big decision, because in the garden when faced with what was about to come, he asked that it be passed from him.
He also sweat great drops of blood when making his decision.
Didn’t he know that he would be killed but rise up on the third day and be seated next to the father?
Three days in the grave and later to be King of kings for eternity doesn’t sound like such a big deal when one considers the reward. After all he could see it was necessary, couldn’t he?
What did he lose?
What if he said no?

would you want to go through the torture He did?? Especially knowing He was innocent. I know i wouldnt. He died for us because He knew His death literally meant the possibility for some to escape hell. If i have a tooth ache, and know a dentist can fix it, i’d still be nervous about going to the dentist.
 
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It must have even very big decision, because in the garden when faced with what was about to come, he asked that it be passed from him.
He also sweat great drops of blood when making his decision.

He was fully human and was experiencing the terror of ancitipated pain.

This would be made worse as he knew what he was going to suffer.

Wecan be incapcitated by mental anguish and physical pain or by the anticipation of such pain.

Add to this the knowledge of Spiritual pain. The pain of becomeing what he hated. the pain of experiencing the very real consquences of being rejected by God the Father.

Jesus became sin, he carried All our sin in himself and suffered the full wrath of a Holy God.

As he knew this would happen is it any wonder that he asked if he could avoid it.
That he didn't say No is testiment to his love for us.
 

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What was the big deal of what Christ sacrificed?
It must have even very big decision, because in the garden when faced with what was about to come, he asked that it be passed from him.
He also sweat great drops of blood when making his decision.
Didn’t he know that he would be killed but rise up on the third day and be seated next to the father?
Three days in the grave and later to be King of kings for eternity doesn’t sound like such a big deal when one considers the reward. After all he could see it was necessary, couldn’t he?
What did he lose?
What if he said no?
Jesus would have never tasted death if we didn't kill Him.
You and I, we can't choose to die. We can't avoid it.
But Jesus' body did not inherit death.
So for Him death was that much more tragic because the loss is that much greater. That is why it's a perfect sacrifice. Jesus had a life to give no one else did.
 
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I agree he lost his life and didn’t need to, but he was three days in the grave and is now risen to rule and reign.
Three days and then return to perfection, he lost his human car out and went to be with the father, paving a way for all creation! Doesn’t sound that bad, I suspect we don’t see the whole picture.
 

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He was fully human and was experiencing the terror of ancitipated pain.

This would be made worse as he knew what he was going to suffer.

Wecan be incapcitated by mental anguish and physical pain or by the anticipation of such pain.

Add to this the knowledge of Spiritual pain. The pain of becomeing what he hated. the pain of experiencing the very real consquences of being rejected by God the Father.

Jesus became sin, he carried All our sin in himself and suffered the full wrath of a Holy God.

As he knew this would happen is it any wonder that he asked if he could avoid it.
That he didn't say No is testiment to his love for us.
Yes I agree but remember it was only a day of extreme pain and shame, three days in the grave and back to paradise with the father. I suspect there was more he faced.
 
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Yes I agree but remember it was only a day of extreme pain and shame, three days in the grave and back to paradise with the father. I suspect there was more he faced.

you seem to just blow off the whole torture and dying on a cross bit, like it was just a papercut. Torture for him was just like torture for us. Jesus was 100% man, 100% God.
 

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Let me as you this, would you do the same thing if you knew it would bring eternal world peace?
Remember, once you wake up from the dead your one of the fathers favorited.
I would do it if only to save one of my loved ones from certain death.
What if kidnappers have taken some young children you know and threatened to brutally rape and murder them unless you were willing to under the same treatment as Christ?
I wouldn’t have to think for a second before deciding.
My point to this isn’t to belittle the sacrifice but to look deeper into it.
 
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Did he "know"? Or being human, like us, did he have to trust God, like we do?
Good question, did he trust God or did he see God?
When he said, “as I see the father do i do and as I hear him speak so I speak” did he see and hear in general or in detail?
I’m a forestry worker, my father taught me, he’s dead now so I can’t ask him about situations.
However when I have to stop and consider the best way to approach difficult situations I reflect on how my father would handle it.
Just curious.
 

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Good question, did he trust God or did he see God?
When he said, “as I see the father do i do and as I hear him speak so I speak” did he see and hear in general or in detail?
I’m a forestry worker, my father taught me, he’s dead now so I can’t ask him about situations.
However when I have to stop and consider the best way to approach difficult situations I reflect on how my father would handle it.
Just curious.
Good question. We don't have access to the inner workings of Jesus's mind. If he did hear his Father speak in the garden, he would still have to trust Him, wouldn't he?
 

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would you want to go through the torture He did?? Especially knowing He was innocent. I know i wouldnt. He died for us because He knew His death literally meant the possibility for some to escape hell. If i have a tooth ache, and know a dentist can fix it, i’d still be nervous about going to the dentist.
I have toothache in one of my back teeth. The nerve has died and if left an abscess could form, so I am having it out on Monday morning. I could have a root canal to save the tooth, but $2000 to get it done by a specialist is a bit steep for me. Having it out is much less expensive. Yep, I feel a bit nervous about it after the dentist told me about the worst case scenario seeing that it is a back tooth with a long root to it.
 

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He could have, but He used judas’ betrayal to glorify God. Man’s plans cant stop God’s plans.
If Jesus had said no, then none of us could be saved He knew that the whole point of HIs birth and ministry was to be our substitute for sin, to have the eternal wrath of God for sin poured out on Him and for Him to die and be raised from the dead. It was not being crucified that caused His sweat to be as great drops of blood (He actually didn't sweat actual blood), and to experience the horror of what He was about to do. It was having the Father turn HIs back on Him. For Jesus, that was the ultimate horror and darkness, to not only have His Father, for the first time in eternity turn HIs back on Him, but to be exposed to the Father's eternal wrath for sin. In the face of all that, He said to the Father, "Not my will, but Yours be done."
 

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True enough, we trust the ones we truly love.
Are you in agreement of Jesus Christ and the Father being one and the same?
Ay caramba. I don't want to get dragged into that goat rodeo.

The classic Trinitarian statement is that God is "three distinct persons sharing one essence", only they used some fancy Greek terms. I have no freakin' idea how that works out here in the real world. But Jesus and his Father clearly related to each other as separate persons in the Biblical narrative, so I would conclude it did take trust on Jesus's part.