Is God Insincere With The Gospel Offer?

[TahitiRun]

We do not know who the elect are. If you are preaching the TRUE Gospel, you do not give false hope to anyone. You preach that those who believe will be saved and that is 100% true. The others are without excuse.

I think we do know who the elect are. All things, including all souls, were created in Christ (Col 1:16). As such, all souls are owned by God. God calls them "mine" (Eze 18:4). Further, all live move and have their being in Him (Act 17:28). And still further, all souls are called the "offspring of God" (Act 17:28, 29). And, God cares for His own as He also instructed us:

1Ti 5:8 and if any one for his own—and especially for those of the household—doth not provide, the faith he hath denied, and than an unbeliever he is worse.

Consequently, all souls were/are elect in Christ, elect as such according to the spirit. And, all souls were rejected (reprobated as such, if that term is preferable) with Christ, according to the flesh.

This is why we can proclaim the Good News, according to the spirit, to all as being elect in Christ.

 

[marks]

The Gospel is a proclamation of good news, a heralding of such. It's a proclamation to the world, to all souls therein, that Christ has died for your sins, was buried and was resurrected by God for it's attestation.

The Gospel is also a command, to believe in Jesus.

Much love!

 

[reformed1689]

all souls were/are elect in Christ

If that were true, and it isn't, nobody goes to Hell.

 

[brightfame52]

Preaching the Gospel to everyone is not insincere. The Gospel says all who believe will be saved. We do not know who the elect are. If you are preaching the TRUE Gospel, you do not give false hope to anyone. You preach that those who believe will be saved and that is 100% true. The others are without excuse.

Preaching the Gospel is nowhere designated an offer. The Gospel facts are presented of the Person and Work of Jesus Christ, who He is, what He has accomplished and for who. And God will cause His elect to believe in Christ and His Gospel, and the non elect will not believe which will just aggravate their condemnation. All this is Gods purpose for the Gospel

 

[brightfame52]

The Gospel is also a command, to believe in Jesus.

Much love!

Not for the non elect. Why would God command the non elect to believe in Jesus when Jesus didnt die for them ?

 

[Jim B]

Not for the non elect. Why would God command the non elect to believe in Jesus when Jesus didnt die for them ?

Jesus died for everyone. Read your Bible.

 

[TahitiRun]

If that were true, and it isn't, nobody goes to Hell.

If what you mean by "hell" is actually "sheol", or "hades", the "grave", or "gehenna", then yes, all souls according to the flesh (that is: the natural/carnal/old man that was crucified with Christ, Rom 6:6) go to "hell". And that is what scripture tells us, here:

Job 34:15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.

Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecc 12:5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long (Heb: עוֹלָם) home, and the mourners go about the streets:

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

The spirit of man (that is: the breath of God, the candle of the Lord, that element of the soul created in the image of God) returns to God who gave it, called man's long (or eternal) home.

 

[Jim B]

If what you mean by "hell" is actually "sheol", or "hades", the "grave", or "gehenna", then yes, all souls according to the flesh (that is: the natural/carnal/old man that was crucified with Christ, Rom 6:6) go to "hell". And that is what scripture tells us, here:

Job 34:15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.

Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecc 12:5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long (Heb: עוֹלָם) home, and the mourners go about the streets:

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

The spirit of man (that is: the breath of God, the candle of the Lord, that element of the soul created in the image of God) returns to God who gave it, called man's long (or eternal) home.

Are you familiar with what the collection of "books" called The New Testament says? You can't prove Christian doctrine by taking verses out of context from the Old Testament.

 

[TahitiRun]

The Gospel is also a command, to believe in Jesus.

Much love!

Yes, however the command is to the spirit, not the flesh. The natural man does not and cannot receive the things of the Spirit, of which the Gospel is.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The flesh (the natural/carnal/old man) is at enmity with God, and always will be:

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[TahitiRun]

Are you familiar with what the collection of "books" called The New Testament says? You can't prove Christian doctrine by taking verses out of context from the Old Testament.

LOL...of course I am. I'm not actually interested in "Christian doctrine" though, at least not in the sense that I think you're using the term, nor am I trying to prove a particular doctrine (there are probably as many varied doctrines on a particular subject as denominations), but rather I'm interested in what the Holy Spirit reveals to me when I study the scriptures in Christ.

There is a difference between doctrine and theology. I'm interested in theology (at least in this forum), not doctrine, per se.

How is what I posted "out of context"?

 

[reformed1689]

If what you mean by "hell" is actually "sheol", or "hades", the "grave", or "gehenna", then yes, all souls according to the flesh (that is: the natural/carnal/old man that was crucified with Christ, Rom 6:6) go to "hell". And that is what scripture tells us, here:

Job 34:15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.

Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecc 12:5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long (Heb: עוֹלָם) home, and the mourners go about the streets:

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

The spirit of man (that is: the breath of God, the candle of the Lord, that element of the soul created in the image of God) returns to God who gave it, called man's long (or eternal) home.

You might want to try reading Revelation

 

[reformed1689]

Preaching the Gospel is nowhere designated an offer. The Gospel facts are presented of the Person and Work of Jesus Christ, who He is, what He has accomplished and for who. And God will cause His elect to believe in Christ and His Gospel, and the non elect will not believe which will just aggravate their condemnation. All this is Gods purpose for the Gospel

That was precisely my point.

 

[TahitiRun]

You might want to try reading Revelation

I have, many times. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

 

[reformed1689]

I have, many times. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

Not close enough apparently if you think everyone returns to God. Ever heard of the Lake of Fire?

 

[amigo de christo]

If that were true, and it isn't, nobody goes to Hell.

Its part of the false inclusive gospel that many are now buying into .
My advice , WE stick to the original gospel .
That he who beleives shall be saved and JESUS also said
he who denies him , does not believe will be damned .
THEy are busy trying to just merge the religoins to be as one and work for the new green world govt .
Its a false gospel my friend . As you already know . Keep on with the reminders .

 

[TahitiRun]

Not close enough apparently if you think everyone returns to God. Ever heard of the Lake of Fire?

Of course, that is where the flesh goes in judgment.

Do you believe God sets the spirit of man (God's own breath and image, called the candle of Lord) on fire for all eternity?

 

[reformed1689]

Do you believe God sets the spirit of man (God's own breath and image, called the candle of Lord) on fire for all eternity?

That's what Scripture states, Eternal torment so yes.

 

[amigo de christo]

The Gospel is also a command, to believe in Jesus.

Much love!

This other fellow is part of what is known as the all inclusive gospel . The one that i have been long at war with .
WE must stand on the original gospel my friend .
JESUS himself said if one believes not they will be condemned .
In fact HE said the only , ONLY , condemnation one has IS that they wont come to HIM to the LIGHT .
Exactly mark . STAND FIRM on the one true gospel . IT is under attack big time in this generation
and by many who even profess they know Christ . YET they dont . Any lamb who truly BELIEVES IN JESUS
Would BELEIVE in what HE said and taught . So march on mark , March on in the LORD
and stand firm upon the only gospel that can save a soul , TO BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST . Yep .
That if one will confess HIM by the mouth and beleive from the heart that GOD has rose HIM from the dead
they will be saved .
It says very clearly that all unbelievers will have their part in the lake of fire
and it says those who make and love a lie . AND THIS ALL INCLUSIVE many path to GOD go spell IS A LIE
and many do love it . WE STICKING TO CHRIST . YES indeed my friend .

 

[TahitiRun]

That's what Scripture states, Eternal torment so yes.

Where specifically is that stated, with regards to the spirit of man?

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus died for everyone. Read your Bible.

lol You just say anything wont you. Even if its not scriptural