SUN and MOON

[Keraz]

A Catastrophic Threat:
A nuclear Electro-Magnetic Pulse attack or a great geomagnetic storm would be a catastrophe unprecedented in scale and scope across the United States and in the case of a huge magnitude Coronal Mass Ejection, the entire planet would be devastated.
It would collapse the technological and industrial foundations of our modern society that sustains hundreds of millions of people.

We cannot guess whether terrorists or a rogue State will make an EMP attack, but no doubt this threat exists. But as for a natural EMP event, generated by an explosion of the Suns surface, there is scientific consensus that such an event is inevitable and could happen at any time. Indeed, most people who look into this issue, agree that a big, earth directed CME is overdue and will probably occur in the near future.

NASA estimates in its July 2014 report, that the likelihood of a CME superstorm is 12% per decade. This virtually guarantees that we should experience one in our lifetime.


If the 1856 Carrington event happened today, this would be the result:

The high intensity EMP would not only cause a national loss of all electricity supplies and the failure of most critical infrastructures, but famine, panic and loss of law and order will kill millions of Americans. The EMP Commission estimates that within 12 months of an EMP event, two thirds of Americans would be dead.

We have had many near misses, in July 2012 one narrowly missed the earth and even the small ones that have affected us, causing blackouts and damage to electronic systems. Ref: Electric Armageddon, Dr. P.V. Fry.


The Bible’s Prophetic Word is the source for reliable information about this forthcoming worldwide disaster. In over 100 prophesies, we are told all we need to know about it.

Be aware and be prepared!

 

[ewq1938]

Broken to shivers, aka pieces, splinters, splintered.

The people aren't but their governments are.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth(PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.


The fact that rule is future tense proves the nations are still alive after Armageddon and the second coming which destroys the core of Amillennialism. It's a false doctrine.

 

[Earburner]

The people aren't but their governments are.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth(PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.


The fact that rule is future tense proves the nations are still alive after Armageddon and the second coming which destroys the core of Amillennialism. It's a false doctrine.

You cannot deny that we are all in the Age of God's Grace since Pentecost.
The "stone" which the builders have rejected, is now head of the corner, and was identified as Jesus.
His next appearance will be
Matt.21[44] And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Which condition is all of the unsaved in?

They will be ground to powder!
There will be no escapees!!
1Thes.5[3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

 

[ewq1938]

You cannot deny that we are all in the Age of God's Grace since Pentecost.
The "stone" which the builders have rejected, is now head of the corner, and was identified as Jesus.
His next appearance will be
Matt.21[44] And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Which condition is all of the unsaved in?

They will be ground to powder!
There will be no escapees!!
1Thes.5[3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Revelation 19 shows there are people meant to live passed the second coming.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth(PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.

 

[Earburner]

Jesus does NOT contend with Himself, whether in flesh and blood then, or now in flesh and bone, with Spirit.

I have given you His words from Himself, those through His Apostles, and also that of Revelation.
Now, what shall you do with this:
Luke.17
[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

 

[Earburner]

Revelation 19 shows there are people meant to live passed the second coming.

All of Revelation 19 is a simultaneous event, which is perfectly described in 2 Thessalonians 1
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

[10] WHEN he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed)
IN THAT DAY.

See the support scripture:
Luke.17
[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

 

[Earburner]

BTW, The people that you are promoting, that you believe are to "escape", after the Lord's Glorious appearance from Heaven, are ALL of these:
Rev. 14[9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If ANY MAN worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
[10] THE SAME shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
[11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
[12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Again, it is a simultaneous event.
Verses 9-11 describe those who shall NOT escape the Lord's wrath "in flaming fire, whereas verse 12 reveals those who are His Saints, who are waiting for Him.

What you are believing is 100% contrary to NT scripture.
You believe that people with the "Mark of the beast", will go on living in a futuristic, sci-fi thriller of a thousand years of peace on earth.....Really? Living with the Lord, AND His Saints??
Sorry! That is NOT going to happen!

 

[Earburner]

A Catastrophic Threat:
A nuclear Electro-Magnetic Pulse attack or a great geomagnetic storm would be a catastrophe unprecedented in scale and scope across the United States and in the case of a huge magnitude Coronal Mass Ejection, the entire planet would be devastated.
It would collapse the technological and industrial foundations of our modern society that sustains hundreds of millions of people.

We cannot guess whether terrorists or a rogue State will make an EMP attack, but no doubt this threat exists. But as for a natural EMP event, generated by an explosion of the Suns surface, there is scientific consensus that such an event is inevitable and could happen at any time. Indeed, most people who look into this issue, agree that a big, earth directed CME is overdue and will probably occur in the near future.

NASA estimates in its July 2014 report, that the likelihood of a CME superstorm is 12% per decade. This virtually guarantees that we should experience one in our lifetime.


If the 1856 Carrington event happened today, this would be the result:

The high intensity EMP would not only cause a national loss of all electricity supplies and the failure of most critical infrastructures, but famine, panic and loss of law and order will kill millions of Americans. The EMP Commission estimates that within 12 months of an EMP event, two thirds of Americans would be dead.

We have had many near misses, in July 2012 one narrowly missed the earth and even the small ones that have affected us, causing blackouts and damage to electronic systems. Ref: Electric Armageddon, Dr. P.V. Fry.


The Bible’s Prophetic Word is the source for reliable information about this forthcoming worldwide disaster. In over 100 prophesies, we are told all we need to know about it.

Be aware and be prepared!

Although much of what you are saying can be a very real possibility, how does it compare to a Nuclear holocaust, or the Lord Jesus returning "in flaming fire", being that of "a consuming fire"?

The world is now being "gathered" to the battle of Armageddon*. When Jesus' fiery presence suddenly appears from Heaven, those of the world will think it to be an invasion of an alien race. They will attempt to fight against the Lords visible, fiery presence, His mighty angels and His Saints**, with EVERY weapon that they have created. Revelation 16.
*Revelation 16:16
** Revelation 19:8, 14

Revelation 19 is the same simultaneous event, but from a different perspective.
Revelation 19:1-10 Is the Lord redeeming His people.
Revelation 19:11- 21 is the Lord executing vengeance upon all the unsaved.

 

[Keraz]

Although much of what you are saying can be a very real possibility, how does it compare to a Nuclear holocaust, or the Lord Jesus returning "in flaming fire", being that of "a consuming fire"?

The Return of Jesus as King of Kings and Lord of Lord's, is NOT in flaming fire. The terrible punishment by fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunami's, as prophesied by 2 Peter 3:7 and in over 100 other vividly described prophesies, is the Sixth Seal, a worldwide disaster at least 7 years before the Return.
Thinking it is; is a direct contradiction of Zechariah 14:3, Matthew 24:30 and Revelation 19:11 and their contexts.

Revelation 19:11- 21 is the Lord executing vengeance upon all the unsaved.

This is correct, but your bad, is to wrongly think how He does it. Rev 19:21 plainly says that Jesus kills the armies of Satan by the Sword of His Word. Fire is never mentioned then.
Only AFTER the Millennium, is fire used again by God to instantly cremate His enemies. Revelation 20:9

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 19 uses rule in the future tense proving there are people that will be ruled over past the second coming at Armageddon. Ignoring the verb tense is causing your errors.

All of Revelation 19 is a simultaneous event, which is perfectly described in 2 Thessalonians 1
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

[10] WHEN he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed)
IN THAT DAY.

See the support scripture:
Luke.17
[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

 

[ewq1938]

See the support scripture:
Luke.17
[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

People killed in a couple cities does not support a global slaughter does it? So much for your "support scripture" lol

 

[ewq1938]

The world is now being "gathered" to the battle of Armageddon*.

Nonsense. That is not happening.

 

[Earburner]

Nonsense. That is not happening.

I am not saying or implying that Armageddon is tomorrow. I am saying with the technology of instant communication now on a global scale, satan can now marshall his forces to attack anything in a moments notice. Secondly, the Beast has not yet appointed it's 10 European countries to defend the beast, nor has the MoB been issued, with the Image of the beast (UN) enforcing it.

 

[ewq1938]

I am saying with the technology of instant communication now on a global scale, satan can now marshall his forces to attack anything in a moments notice.

He can perform miracles so getting an army somewhere fast is no issue.

Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

 

[Earburner]

He can perform miracles so getting an army somewhere fast is no issue.

Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Satan still must work through the individual wills of men, of which all are extremely divided at any given moment, on each and every topic.
And of course, God was very wise about that.
Luke.12[51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

However, because of that, satan has concluded that "peace and safety" on earth among people, in this realm, appeals to everyone. Therefore, he has learned to be subtley benevolent towards men, in order to achieve his own goal, which is to "Save the Planet", his only place of residence.
He has been and is still working to that end.
1Thes.5[3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

 

[Keraz]

1Thes.5[3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

While they are saying: Peace and Safety......

This prophecy in 1 Thessalonians 5:3, goes on to tell us: then, sudden destruction will come upon them.

So we need to find out who are those who will say; ‘At last we have peace and safety’, and who the sudden destruction will fall upon.

We can be sure this is about the latter days, as it refers to Jesus prophecy in Matthew 24:8 All these things are the birth pangs of the new age.

We also know that it will happen before Jesus Returns, as Paul tells us in 1Thessalonians 4:16 The Lord will come from heaven with a shout; the voice of an archangel and the trumpet of God.

Whereas at this sudden destruction, before the Return, He will come unexpectedly.

This event is obviously the multi prophesied Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. The Lord will not be seen on that Day. Amos 1, Psalms 11:4-6


The focal point of God’s Plan on earth, is the holy Land, the place His eyes are fixed upon. Deuteronomy 11:11-12

The situation there has been extremely volatile for many years, but just recently there has been a change, with the United Arab Emirates normalizing relations with the Jewish State of Israel. Also many other Middle East nations are overtly [instead of covertly] in diplomatic and trade discussions with Israel.


This considerable improvement toward stability and peace in the region, has resulted in many comments of optimism and hope for peace and safety at last for Israel and the Islamic peoples. Those diplomats and commentators are the first ‘they’.
EXCEPT for Iran and their proxies. Their Shi-ite version of Islam remains committed to the destruction of the Jewish people and the removal of Israel from the Middle East.

We see many prophecies which say how the Lord will destroy His enemies, Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12 and Revelation 6:12-17, are the most specific. They all say that the Lord will take action when an attack upon Israel is commenced. He will not allow nukes to explode in His holy Land.


Therefore, ‘them’, are the peoples who hate Israel and attempt to wipe them off the map.

It WILL happen, God’s Word prophesies it and Satan is the force behind Islam, plus the leaders of Iran are facing revolution for their mismanagement and incompetence. They must act to retain power by diverting attention from themselves.

 

[Earburner]

While they are saying: Peace and Safety......

This prophecy in 1 Thessalonians 5:3, goes on to tell us: then, sudden destruction will come upon them.

So we need to find out who are those who will say; ‘At last we have peace and safety’, and who the sudden destruction will fall upon.

We can be sure this is about the latter days, as it refers to Jesus prophecy in Matthew 24:8 All these things are the birth pangs of the new age.

We also know that it will happen before Jesus Returns, as Paul tells us in 1Thessalonians 4:16 The Lord will come from heaven with a shout; the voice of an archangel and the trumpet of God.

Whereas at this sudden destruction, before the Return, He will come unexpectedly.

This event is obviously the multi prophesied Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. The Lord will not be seen on that Day. Amos 1, Psalms 11:4-6


The focal point of God’s Plan on earth, is the holy Land, the place His eyes are fixed upon. Deuteronomy 11:11-12

The situation there has been extremely volatile for many years, but just recently there has been a change, with the United Arab Emirates normalizing relations with the Jewish State of Israel. Also many other Middle East nations are overtly [instead of covertly] in diplomatic and trade discussions with Israel.


This considerable improvement toward stability and peace in the region, has resulted in many comments of optimism and hope for peace and safety at last for Israel and the Islamic peoples. Those diplomats and commentators are the first ‘they’.
EXCEPT for Iran and their proxies. Their Shi-ite version of Islam remains committed to the destruction of the Jewish people and the removal of Israel from the Middle East.

We see many prophecies which say how the Lord will destroy His enemies, Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12 and Revelation 6:12-17, are the most specific. They all say that the Lord will take action when an attack upon Israel is commenced. He will not allow nukes to explode in His holy Land.


Therefore, ‘them’, are the peoples who hate Israel and attempt to wipe them off the map.

It WILL happen, God’s Word prophesies it and Satan is the force behind Islam, plus the leaders of Iran are facing revolution for their mismanagement and incompetence. They must act to retain power by diverting attention from themselves.

It is quite evident to me that the Holy Spirit through Paul, is directly speaking to the DAY of the Lord's return, in flaming fire and all His Glory.
1Thes.5
[1] But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
[2] For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
[3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
[4] But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
[5] Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
[6] Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
[7] For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
[8] But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
[9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Support scripture:
Luke 17[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

 

[Keraz]

It is quite evident to me that the Holy Spirit through Paul, is directly speaking to the DAY of the Lord's return, in flaming fire and all His Glory.

Your 'evidence', is not found in the actual scriptures.
Jesus SENDS his flaming fire; Amos 1 & 2:1-5. Psalms 11:4-6, Revelation 6:12-17
Several years later; He Returns in glory and destroys His enemies by the Sword of His Word.

 

[Earburner]

Your 'evidence', is not found in the actual scriptures.
Jesus SENDS his flaming fire; Amos 1 & 2:1-5. Psalms 11:4-6, Revelation 6:12-17
Several years later; He Returns in glory and destroys His enemies by the Sword of His Word.

I do not see it in the NT scriptures that Jesus is returning two or even three times. I see it as only once, and that being Himself in all His visible Glory.

You referenced Revelation 6:12-17, which is another view/perspective of the Glorious Return of Christ.
His literal, visible Presence from Heaven, will outshine and eclipse the light of the sun etc., which is to say that the Light of His very being is "a consuming fire". One should reflect on Jesus' Transfiguration, and the intensity of His Light that some of disciples witnessed.
Hebrews 12:29.

I realize that you have an understanding about the earthly Jerusalem, the "mother" that was "cast out" (Galatians 4), thinking that God still has a fondness for her, and is deserving of His preferential treatment. But, if you study Gal. 4 through the Mind of Christ within you, you will discover that it is Heavenly Jerusalem above, which is "the Israel of God", the mother of us all (who are of faith), and NOT the Israel that "is fallen", aka "Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots".

When the KoG, who is Jesus Himself, was taken from them and given to another "nation" of Born Again Saints (1 Peter 2:9), that severed God's obligation towards earthly Jerusalem and all of His "IF/THEN" promises of "peace", that went along with it. Luke 19:42-44

 

[Earburner]

To continue with Luke 19, I would have us look at verse 41 and the emotional level that Jesus experienced over a city. [41] And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept [to sob, wail aloud] over it,...
Please, if anyone here can share with us, when in your life, was the last time you wept over a city?

The primary reason that one should weep, sob or wail, over anything or anyone, is because that which one dearly loves is taken away from them, or that it must be that one has no other choice but to leave behind that which they have dearly loved.
And of course, we all know of that destruction, that came upon Jerusalem and their temple in 70 AD.
I am sure Jesus envisioned that also, in His weeping.
Edit: so then, was Jesus concerned about the city of Jerusalem for it's buildings and it's temple, or was He more focused on the people, that made up the city? The latter, I'm sure!
Luke.9[56] For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.