Have you ever thought about how we would think without words?

[DuckieLady]

Just really stupid weekend thoughts question.

In our brains when we think, - at least, I think in words, and it comes up automatically as a thought, but if I didn't have a spoken language to bring up the thoughts, how would I think? Would it be pictures?

Like how does an infant think? They don't have a language, but they are developing and taking in this big world, they must be thinking about "I'm tired" or "Hungry" but they must only feel it.

 

[bbyrd009]

Just really stupid weekend thoughts question.

In our brains when we think, - at least, I think in words, and it comes up automatically as a thought, but if I didn't have a spoken language to bring up the thoughts, how would I think? Would it be pictures?

Like how does an infant think? They don't have a language, but they are developing and taking in this big world, they must be thinking about "I'm tired" or "Hungry" but they must only feel it.

you might be close here to "speaking in tongues," which might be a recognition that words are just labels for symbols, that we all define slightly differently, and that can be and usually are used also allegorically.

 

[dev553344]

Just really stupid weekend thoughts question.

In our brains when we think, - at least, I think in words, and it comes up automatically as a thought, but if I didn't have a spoken language to bring up the thoughts, how would I think? Would it be pictures?

Like how does an infant think? They don't have a language, but they are developing and taking in this big world, they must be thinking about "I'm tired" or "Hungry" but they must only feel it.

I used to think without words. And it was instinctual feelings that I had. It wasn't until later in life that I started praying and my thoughts turned to words.

 

[Pearl]

Just really stupid weekend thoughts question.

In our brains when we think, - at least, I think in words, and it comes up automatically as a thought, but if I didn't have a spoken language to bring up the thoughts, how would I think? Would it be pictures?

Like how does an infant think? They don't have a language, but they are developing and taking in this big world, they must be thinking about "I'm tired" or "Hungry" but they must only feel it.

I sometimes look at birds and animals and wonder exactly that. I thought it was just me.

 

[DuckieLady]

trying to make a diagram to figure it out but my brain is not working the best

 

[DuckieLady]

I used to think without words. And it was instinctual feelings that I had. It wasn't until later in life that I started praying and my thoughts turned to words.

this is really interesting....

So it IS based off of feeling.

Hmmm

 

[dev553344]

I sometimes look at birds and animals and wonder exactly that. I thought it was just me.

One time I had a super natural experience. I was walking home from the movie theater. It was night time and I was on a back street where there were trees. I suddenly could see the top of my head and felt something that wasn't me. It was feeling something like, "that is mine, I will take it home". Then the vision left and I realized something was descending on me from above so I ducked my head. As I looked up I saw a white owl swoop just above me as if to attack, it then flew up to the street light and stood on it. I realized that the Lord had protected me from attack with a vision and feeling of the predator.

 

[dev553344]

this is really interesting....

So it IS based off of feeling.

Hmmm

Yes I was feeling and the feelings drove the thought which I paid little attention to.

 

[ScottA]

Just really stupid weekend thoughts question.

In our brains when we think, - at least, I think in words, and it comes up automatically as a thought, but if I didn't have a spoken language to bring up the thoughts, how would I think? Would it be pictures?

Like how does an infant think? They don't have a language, but they are developing and taking in this big world, they must be thinking about "I'm tired" or "Hungry" but they must only feel it.

Interesting thought.

A good way to imagine it, would be to imagine what thoughts would actually be understandable to a mind reader. Would only the language thoughts come through? If so, what would be left or undetectable?

Hmmm.

 

[Pearl]

Yes I was feeling and the feelings drove the thought which I paid little attention to.

i think we all must have senses that we aren't aware of; senses relating to self protection and wellbeing. A bit like you can feel somebody looking at you, or if you look at somebody else and they turn round.

 

[Pearl]

Interesting thought.

A good way to imagine it, would be to imagine what thoughts would actually be understandable to a mind reader. Would only the language thoughts come through? If so, what would be left or undetectable?

Hmmm.

Like a baby knows it's hungry by the way it feel, or that it's incomfortable in a wet nappy, or in pain with a tummy ache. It doesn't need to know the words for those things it just knows the feelings that make it cry or alternatively make it smile.

 

[dev553344]

i think we all must have senses that we aren't aware of; senses relating to self protection and wellbeing. A bit like you can feel somebody looking at you, or if you look at somebody else and they turn round.

Yes that happens a lot to me. I'll be looking at someone while I'm walking and they suddenly turn around directly looking at me. But they couldn't have known I was there some distance off.

 

[Angelina]

Just really stupid weekend thoughts question.

In our brains when we think, - at least, I think in words, and it comes up automatically as a thought, but if I didn't have a spoken language to bring up the thoughts, how would I think? Would it be pictures?

Like how does an infant think? They don't have a language, but they are developing and taking in this big world, they must be thinking about "I'm tired" or "Hungry" but they must only feel it.

It could possibly be by our 5 senses for instance sight. We may see danger and automatically protect ourselves. Hearing, we may hear a sound that gives us images that there is a train coming as we walk along a railway track etc....just a thought

 

[DuckieLady]

One time I had a super natural experience. I was walking home from the movie theater. It was night time and I was on a back street where there were trees. I suddenly could see the top of my head and felt something that wasn't me. It was feeling something like, "that is mine, I will take it home". Then the vision left and I realized something was descending on me from above so I ducked my head. As I looked up I saw a white owl swoop just above me as if to attack, it then flew up to the street light and stood on it. I realized that the Lord had protected me from attack with a vision and feeling of the predator.

Used to listen to this a lot - and had a white owl swoop over me last year. Really kind of cool. There was also a bird hovering in the air over traffic for about an hour or maybe two. I couldn't figure out how it was doing it.

Anyway the song is about the Holy Spirit's guidance through the end times. (Isaiah 30:21)

"When the night comes
And you don’t know which way to go
Through the shadowlands
And forgotten paths
You will find a road

Like an owl you must fly in moonlight with an open eye
And use your instinct as your guide, to navigate the ways that lays before you
You were born to, take the greatest flight

Like a serpent and a dove, you will have wisdom born of love
And carry visions from above into the places no man dares to follow
Every hollow in the dark of night
Waiting for the light
Take the flame tonight"

I've had lots of those "knowing" things and I tend to be right.

 

[dev553344]

Used to listen to this a lot - and had a white owl swoop over me last year. Really kind of cool. There was also a bird hovering in the air over traffic for about an hour or maybe two. I couldn't figure out how it was doing it.

Anyway the song is about the Holy Spirit's guidance through the end times. (Isaiah 30:21)

"When the night comes
And you don’t know which way to go
Through the shadowlands
And forgotten paths
You will find a road

Like an owl you must fly in moonlight with an open eye
And use your instinct as your guide, to navigate the ways that lays before you
You were born to, take the greatest flight

Like a serpent and a dove, you will have wisdom born of love
And carry visions from above into the places no man dares to follow
Every hollow in the dark of night
Waiting for the light
Take the flame tonight"

I've had lots of those "knowing" things and I tend to be right.

Thanks, I used the song to finish my back exercises. I'm getting old and my back requires exercise to not seize up.

But as far as instinctual feelings and thought, we are taught in anger management to think before we speak. To wait several seconds before answering so that we don't answer in anger. I've grown above anger management over the years. As I tend to detach from people that make me angry these days. But the instinctual, non-thinker, can indeed be aggressive like an animal.

 

[DuckieLady]

It could possibly be by our 5 senses for instance sight. We may see danger and automatically protect ourselves. Hearing, we may hear a sound that gives us images that there is a train coming as we walk along a railway track etc....just a thought

Really interesting that you said this.

I had a few experiences before I came here, but one most interesting to me was I was sleeping and heard really loud whistling sound that woke me up.

I asked someone if they were whistling and they had no idea what I was talking about.

A week later, after a day of being on the train, I think another train passing, and I could have sworn it was the same whistle I heard when I was asleep.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Have you ever thought about how we would think without words? Would it be pictures?

this is really interesting....

So it IS based off of feeling.

Hmmm

Feeling and on a deeper level, knowing. I have memories from in the womb/birth as well as infancy.

My memories from in the womb/being born was that there was the presence of evil, and evil hands ready to receive me as soon as I was birthed. (Birthing rituals are common in high level cult bloodline.) But what I remember is that I knew that "evil" was there and I understood it was a spiritual being whose hands were there to grab hold of me as I was born. And I didn't want to be born. Babies know immensely more than most people realize.

Incidentally, that desire not to be born created a "legal" (but not really legal) right for the attachment of "death" programming ...suicide, etc. My first attempt to die was at age 5. And I tried to die many times in my childhood. I would take a pillow into my little brother's toy box, shut the lid, hold the pillow over my face and go to sleep, thinking I would just die in my sleep.

Look up the Hebrew word... neshamah.

Hebrew: נשׁמה
Transliteration: neshâmâh
Pronunciation: nesh-aw-maw'
Definition: From H5395; a {puff} that {is} {wind } angry or vital {breath} divine {inspiration} intellect or (concretely) an animal: - {blast} (that) breath ({-eth}) {inspiration} {soul} spirit.
KJV Usage: breath (17x), blast (3x), spirit (2x), inspiration (1x), souls (1x).
Occurs: 24
In verses: 24

Proverbs 20:27
[27]The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

The word "spirit" in Hebrew is "neshamah."
The word "belly" in the Hebrew refers to the womb.

Hebrew: בּטן
Transliteration: beţen
Pronunciation: beh'-ten
Definition: From an unused root probably meaning to be hollow; the {belly} especially the womb; also the bosom or body of anything: - {belly} {body} + as they be {born} + {within} womb.
KJV Usage: belly (30x), womb (31x), body (8x), within (2x), born (1x).
Occurs: 72
In verses: 72

 

[dev553344]

Feeling and on a deeper level, knowing. I have memories from in the womb/birth as well as infancy.

My memories from in the womb/being born was that there was the presence of evil, and evil hands ready to receive me as soon as I was birthed. (Birthing rituals are common in high level cult bloodline.) But what I remember is that I knew that "evil" was there and I understood it was a spiritual being whose hands were there to grab hold of me as I was born. And I didn't want to be born. Babies know immensely more than most people realize.

Incidentally, that desire not to be born created a "legal" (but not really legal) right for the attachment of "death" programming ...suicide, etc. My first attempt to die was at age 5. And I tried to die many times in my childhood. I would take a pillow into my little brother's toy box, shut the lid, hold the pillow over my face and go to sleep, thinking I would just die in my sleep.

Look up the Hebrew word... neshamah.

Hebrew: נשׁמה
Transliteration: neshâmâh
Pronunciation: nesh-aw-maw'
Definition: From H5395; a {puff} that {is} {wind } angry or vital {breath} divine {inspiration} intellect or (concretely) an animal: - {blast} (that) breath ({-eth}) {inspiration} {soul} spirit.
KJV Usage: breath (17x), blast (3x), spirit (2x), inspiration (1x), souls (1x).
Occurs: 24
In verses: 24

Proverbs 20:27
[27]The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

The word "spirit" in Hebrew is "neshamah."
The word "belly" in the Hebrew refers to the womb.

Hebrew: בּטן
Transliteration: beţen
Pronunciation: beh'-ten
Definition: From an unused root probably meaning to be hollow; the {belly} especially the womb; also the bosom or body of anything: - {belly} {body} + as they be {born} + {within} womb.
KJV Usage: belly (30x), womb (31x), body (8x), within (2x), born (1x).
Occurs: 72
In verses: 72

At some point it's good to let go of our past and give it to the Lord. To move on and only be part of the Lord's will and family. He has love, peace and joy for us when we do the will of the Lord. I pray for you @TLHKAJ that you can move on from that past.

 

[DuckieLady]

Proverbs 20:27
[27]The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

The word "spirit" in Hebrew is "neshamah."
The word "belly" in the Hebrew refers to the womb.

I had to think about this because its interesting...

KJV Usage: breath (17x), blast (3x), spirit (2x), inspiration (1x), souls (1x).
Occurs:

The word "breath" in this takes me back to Genesis.

Genesis 2:7

Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

There's something in this I just need to reflect on it more.

 

[TLHKAJ]

At some point it's good to let go of our past and give it to the Lord. To move on and only be part of the Lord's will and family. He has love, peace and joy for us when we do the will of the Lord. I pray for you @TLHKAJ that you can move on from that past.

Devin, I know you have issues and don't like for me to share any of my testimony. You're just gonna have to move on yourself. I'm fine. I'm not stuck and I'm not afraid or ashamed to share any of my testimony and where God has brought me from. The problem isn't in my sharing, but in other people's problems with my history. When you share about your medical history, your tobacco use, or your "schizophrenia", I don't ask you to move past it. Give me the same grace.
Thanks.