Is it your view that when a person physically dies, all they are ceases to be, then, in the resurrection, the person is "reconstituted", recreated, as it were?
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Let's discuss..cessation after death?
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I find this to be a silly question. I'm thinking you ask this as a "gotcha" question, that is, when I say, "No, 'death' is not something that can be tormented", then you would answer, "then why think anyone is tormented in the lake of fire, rather than be destroyed."
Am I on the right track here?
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"Hell" that is, Hades, or Sheol, this is not the same as the lake of fire.Holy angel of God :
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
Revelation 20:15; Revelation 21:8Man :
It's hell! It's a place of fiery torment!God :
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I just think you have that all wrong. There is no sin in holiness. It seems preposterous to say a man is walking in the holiness of Gods Spirit even while sinning. It makes me queasy. You have just, to my ears, claimed that men are holy while sinning. We know Jesus was holy. There was no sin in Him. None. Yet you say a man can sin and walk in holiness at the same time as a not ideal state. Do I think the apostles were in the Spirit at all times? Mmm…no. Otherwise, John would not have begun the revelation by saying, I was in the Spirit. Why even bother if they were always in the Spirit and every believer was also always in the Spirit? He was in the Spirit, taken to see the future day of the Lord. He was saying, I was in the Spirit and saw the coming day of the Lord and the events that will come to pass during and after it.
No, I can’t accept that if we walk in the Spirit we will not fulfill the lusts of flesh has come to now mean, if we walk in the Spirit we will at the same time be doing lusts of the flesh. It makes much more sense to say, ah…I am still ruled by my flesh, emotions, outbursts of anger, resentments, therefore I am not walking in the Spirit since Paul said if we walk in the Spirit we will NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh. But I just threw a cheeseburger and milkshake at a car that cut me off in traffic and almost had an angry heart attack swerving in and out to chase after him and honk at him repeatedly. But I’m walking in the Spirit. Seriously. Even during that 5 mile long display of murderous anger, yep, walking in the Spirit! Riiight. Even an UNbeliever would laugh!
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S.A. I love to hear you guys sing, and play music. Many of you also have a look that warms me to you. Love your garb too... and the land... Some places are breathtaking.
I look forward to when it's truly a paradise.
How is it that the Bible tells us that we may live in the Spirit though not walking in the Spirit?
You've replied before by changing that message. But what if you don't change it?
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The Disciple John
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Yes. So when death and hell are cast into the lake of fire, are they tormented forever?
Johann! What a distinguished looking gentleman you are! It has made me happy to see a picture of you! You play guitar! I like your sweater!
No. We live in the Spirit. WE don't necessarily always walk in the Spirit, therefore the admonition.
If we are fulfilling the lust of the flesh, we are not walking in the Spirit. But that doesn't mean we are not living in the Spirit.
Romans 8:9-10 KJV
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
IF the Spirit of God dwell in you. Not, IF you are behaving right.
You can be alive in the Spirit, though not walking in the Spirit.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
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The Disciple John
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Going with 1 Corinthians 15:35-38, the person dies, and his life is restored by God, who gives them a body... of his choosing. It is either a physical body, if the person will live on earth, or a spirit body - an immortal one - if the person will live in heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:39-49
It's a fair question, I think context addresses it.
Romans 8:9-10 KJV
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
This is the rule given us to know. IF the Spirit of God dwells in you, THEN you are in the Spirit.
Does the Spirit of God live in you?
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I don't understand your answer.
Does the person who dies temporarily cease to exist until the resurrection?
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The Disciple John
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No. Youare off track. It's not a gotcha question. It's a head knocking question... Like "knock, knock. Anyone in there?"
Because it is by receiving Gods Spirit that we have eternal life so… and so I think that’s what it means. I mean, you’ve changed death to mean eternal existence and walking in Gods Spirit and not fulfilling the lusts of the flesh to a “less ideal state” of walking in the Holy Spirit of God while fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. So to think it means since we live by the Spirit of God given to us, in us, we ought to walk in that Spirit, is not so drastic an understanding as the changes you’ve made! Lol.
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I'm so happy to see you back with us! I've missed you. You shouldn't run off without telling folks
(or maybe you are/were mad at me and just didn't tell me - lol). Take this as encouragement (as it's meant, and because it's applicable to anyone who reads this), rather than lecturing:
All anyone has to do is pump themself full of Scripture and just believe in it's creative power. They'll see revival automatically. People (like me) like to say that it's easier said than done, when they're not doing it. But when a person makes up their mind to beg God for the strength to do it, He just makes it happen. We have not because we ask not (I love James 4—it's a serious reality check). All I'm really saying is what we all already know. Draw nigh unto God and he will draw nigh unto you. I prosper spiritually commensurate to the degree that I stop drawing back from Jesus. It works every time.
I'm really a John 10:10 guy at heart (I want the abundant life--it's the best thing you can have to share with people). My first name is David. I know names don't mean what they used to, but I guess you know what "David" means (at least, to God).
Before about 150 years ago, some folks didn't name their children at birth, sometimes not until they were 3 or 4 years old, I hear. And when they did finally name them, they often did so with the child's personality in mind.
David is just a name that's been passed down in my family. But my grandmother once bought me a bookmark for my little light blue book of the New Testament, with the Psalms and Proverbs. It said "David - Beloved One - A Man After God's Own Heart." I've had lots of little but significant moments like that. They steer me to God when I fall away. God is so good—so good.
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I'm not use to compliments but thank you.
May our Lord Christ Jesus richly bless you
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