Fundamentalist Christianity is fear-based?

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Michiah-Imla

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Be a rebel, not a sheep

“Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin” (Isaiah 30:1)

“…this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:” (Isaiah 30:9)

“…this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart; they are revolted and gone.” (Jeremiah 5:23)
 

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Ah but suffering on the cross and bleeding out to death is perfectly loving of the Father towards Jesus. When does the rationalization ever end? It only takes a normal person to see how sick that is. I always thought it was sick as a child when all of these other adults around me kept trying to justify it. Be a rebel, not a sheep
I'm not rationalizing, Jesus' sacrifice was perfectly well planned. The devil trying to thwart God's plans by having Jesus executed ended up fulfilling God's plans. I'll bet his face was red.
 

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The devil trying to thwart God's plans by having Jesus executed

Actually Satan knew God’s plan and wanted to prevent Christ from dying on the cross:

“From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.” (Matthew 16:21-23)
 

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Take heed dear soul!

“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)

Read the King James Bible and acknowledge the truth so that you may:

“recover [yourself] out of the snare of the devil… taken captive by him at his will.” (2 Timothy 2:25-26)

Yet God created the devil himself.

And if God is everywhere, then he surely must be in hell too. So hell shouldn't be a problem.
 

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I'm not rationalizing, Jesus' sacrifice was perfectly well planned. The devil trying to thwart God's plans by having Jesus executed ended up fulfilling God's plans. I'll bet his face was red.

"I'm not rationalizing" begins rationalizing.

Well planned or not, a loving father does not send his son to suffer. No loving parent would purposely send their child to suffer.
 
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"I'm not rationalizing" begins rationalizing.

Well planned or not, a loving father does not send his son to suffer. No loving parent would purposely send their child to suffer.
The whole concept of sacrifice is giving up something to in time get out of it something better.
 

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The whole concept of sacrifice is giving up something to in time get out of it something better.
And a parent knowingly sending their child to suffer would make them a loving parent?

Here's a short clip of a Muslim and Christian debating over this

Streamable Video
 
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And a parent knowingly sending their child to suffer would make them a loving parent?

Here's a short clip of a Muslim and Christian debating over this

Streamable Video
Yeh, if Jesus didn't suffer then people would be complain about Jesus being being unworthy to follow to their deaths.
 

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Yeh, if Jesus didn't suffer then people would be complain about Jesus being being unworthy to follow to their deaths.

People have also followed others to their deaths who didn't suffer like Jesus. Jihadists for example die for their beliefs. Atheists are also persecuted in the Middle East and have been executed for not believing. Martyrs are not exclusive to Christianity or Jesus
 

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People have also followed others to their deaths who didn't suffer like Jesus. Jihadists for example die for their beliefs. Atheists are also persecuted in the Middle East and have been executed for not believing. Martyrs are not exclusive to Christianity or Jesus
So you assume people would follow Jesus even if he hadn't suffered? I can't say I agree. Perhaps half as many. Jesus is also not appealing to the lust of the flesh, an effective recruiting method.
 

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Well the ego is a mental identity. Basically the person with all its likes and dislikes is the ego. The self however is pure consciousness or awareness which is prior to the ego.

are you ever gonna answer me?

you said there is no such thing as absolute truth!

Is that not a statement of absolute truth?
 

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True, but sects and cults do.

one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18 & 18:18 Jn 20:21-23 Jn 10:16 all others are heretical sects the tradition of men
 

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are you ever gonna answer me?

you said there is no such thing as absolute truth!

Is that not a statement of absolute truth?

If you look at it logically, yes it is. However, there is no absolute truth that can be known with the mind since the mind is finite. It's unknowable with the intellect. The purpose of saying that there is no absolute truth is for the mind to come to an end. Only when you give up trying to know or understand, do you come to know and what you come to know is that you know nothing.

There's facts and there's truths but there is no absolute, end all be all truth. We all know how relative morality is and the people who insist that morality isn't relative are really just afraid of acknowledging that it's relative. I'm a postmodernist mystic.

I don't know why people don't have the courage to admit that they just don't know anything. It's as if people like the comfort of clinging onto something instead of just being free. My religion is no religion. Beliefs are just chains and it doesn't matter how beautiful the chains look, they're still chains.
 
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one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18 & 18:18 Jn 20:21-23 Jn 10:16 all others are heretical sects the tradition of men

And that one true church is considered to be the Catholic church. So if you're not Catholic, you can forget about calling yourself Christian. I'm not the one saying it, the Catholics are.
 
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Fundamentalist Christianity is a dying breed, it's on its way out due to the internet and education. Islam is actually getting close to overtaking it here by 2040 and I'm glad the #1 religion will get kicked off its spot so that it can humble more followers.

Every Catholic I've spoken to considers protestants to be heretics since Sola scriptura is a short way of saying "I'm going to interpret the Bible the way I want."

Well of course there will be less and less Christians. Jesus asked will there be faith on the earth when He returns? and Paul foretold that the latter days will see great apostasy.
In the days of Noah only 8 were saved, because of widespread unbelief. But hey, Jesus isn't running a popularity contest, rather He is running a mission of rescue.
 

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one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18 & 18:18 Jn 20:21-23 Jn 10:16 all others are heretical sects the tradition of men
Every cult makes the same claim, "We are the One True Church"...

1 Corinthians 3:3-7 (NASB) for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men? For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," (insert Peter) are you not mere men? What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one. I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.
 

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Animal2692 wrote "Every Catholic I've spoken to considers protestants to be heretics since Sola scriptura is a short way of saying "I'm going to interpret the Bible the way I want."

Sola scriptura means that the Bible is the sole source of truth. It most definitely doesn't mean "I'm going to interpret the Bible the way I want." That is a lie.

What Catholics want people to believe is that their unScriptural "baggage" that they have added to the pure Word of God should be accepted as equivalent to God's truth. It's clearly a delusion, designed so that the Catholic hierarchy can manipulate and control those who fall for their false religion.
 

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one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18 & 18:18 Jn 20:21-23 Jn 10:16 all others are heretical sects the tradition of men

Show me one time that the "Catholic" denomination is mentioned in the Bible! It's a cult, pure and simple.

As Prism correctly wrote, "Every cult makes the same claim, "We are the One True Church"
 

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If you look at it logically, yes it is. However, there is no absolute truth that can be known with the mind since the mind is finite. It's unknowable with the intellect. The purpose of saying that there is no absolute truth is for the mind to come to an end. Only when you give up trying to know or understand, do you come to know and what you come to know is that you know nothing.

There's facts and there's truths but there is no absolute, end all be all truth. We all know how relative morality is and the people who insist that morality isn't relative are really just afraid of acknowledging that it's relative. I'm a postmodernist mystic.

I don't know why people don't have the courage to admit that they just don't know anything. It's as if people like the comfort of clinging onto something instead of just being free. My religion is no religion. Beliefs are just chains and it doesn't matter how beautiful the chains look, they're still chains.

truth and morals are absolute and immutable!

As God is absolute and immutable!

truth and morals are revealed by God, who can neither deceive or be deceived!

murder is always wrong and immoral
Cos God said so!!!
 

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And that one true church is considered to be the Catholic church. So if you're not Catholic, you can forget about calling yourself Christian. I'm not the one saying it, the Catholics are.

true true of course true!

Only Christ has authority to found the church all others are heretical sects, the tradition of men!