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Fundamentalist Christianity is fear-based?

Discussion in 'Inter-Faith Discussion' started by Animal2692, Apr 27, 2022.

  1. Michiah-Imla

    Michiah-Imla Well-Known Member

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    “Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin” (Isaiah 30:1)

    “…this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:” (Isaiah 30:9)

    “…this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart; they are revolted and gone.” (Jeremiah 5:23)
     
  2. lforrest

    lforrest Well-Known Member Staff Member Admin

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    I'm not rationalizing, Jesus' sacrifice was perfectly well planned. The devil trying to thwart God's plans by having Jesus executed ended up fulfilling God's plans. I'll bet his face was red.
     
  3. Michiah-Imla

    Michiah-Imla Well-Known Member

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    Actually Satan knew God’s plan and wanted to prevent Christ from dying on the cross:

    “From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.” (Matthew 16:21-23)
     
  4. Animal2692

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    Yet God created the devil himself.

    And if God is everywhere, then he surely must be in hell too. So hell shouldn't be a problem.
     
  5. Animal2692

    Animal2692 Member

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    "I'm not rationalizing" begins rationalizing.

    Well planned or not, a loving father does not send his son to suffer. No loving parent would purposely send their child to suffer.
     
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  6. lforrest

    lforrest Well-Known Member Staff Member Admin

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    The whole concept of sacrifice is giving up something to in time get out of it something better.
     
  7. Animal2692

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    And a parent knowingly sending their child to suffer would make them a loving parent?

    Here's a short clip of a Muslim and Christian debating over this

    Streamable Video
     
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  8. lforrest

    lforrest Well-Known Member Staff Member Admin

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    Yeh, if Jesus didn't suffer then people would be complain about Jesus being being unworthy to follow to their deaths.
     
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    People have also followed others to their deaths who didn't suffer like Jesus. Jihadists for example die for their beliefs. Atheists are also persecuted in the Middle East and have been executed for not believing. Martyrs are not exclusive to Christianity or Jesus
     
  10. lforrest

    lforrest Well-Known Member Staff Member Admin

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    So you assume people would follow Jesus even if he hadn't suffered? I can't say I agree. Perhaps half as many. Jesus is also not appealing to the lust of the flesh, an effective recruiting method.
     
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    are you ever gonna answer me?

    you said there is no such thing as absolute truth!

    Is that not a statement of absolute truth?
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18 & 18:18 Jn 20:21-23 Jn 10:16 all others are heretical sects the tradition of men
     
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    If you look at it logically, yes it is. However, there is no absolute truth that can be known with the mind since the mind is finite. It's unknowable with the intellect. The purpose of saying that there is no absolute truth is for the mind to come to an end. Only when you give up trying to know or understand, do you come to know and what you come to know is that you know nothing.

    There's facts and there's truths but there is no absolute, end all be all truth. We all know how relative morality is and the people who insist that morality isn't relative are really just afraid of acknowledging that it's relative. I'm a postmodernist mystic.

    I don't know why people don't have the courage to admit that they just don't know anything. It's as if people like the comfort of clinging onto something instead of just being free. My religion is no religion. Beliefs are just chains and it doesn't matter how beautiful the chains look, they're still chains.
     
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    And that one true church is considered to be the Catholic church. So if you're not Catholic, you can forget about calling yourself Christian. I'm not the one saying it, the Catholics are.
     
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    prism Blood-Soaked

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    Well of course there will be less and less Christians. Jesus asked will there be faith on the earth when He returns? and Paul foretold that the latter days will see great apostasy.
    In the days of Noah only 8 were saved, because of widespread unbelief. But hey, Jesus isn't running a popularity contest, rather He is running a mission of rescue.
     
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    prism Blood-Soaked

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    Every cult makes the same claim, "We are the One True Church"...

    1 Corinthians 3:3-7 (NASB) for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men? For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," (insert Peter) are you not mere men? What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one. I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.
     
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    Jim B Well-Known Member

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    Animal2692 wrote "Every Catholic I've spoken to considers protestants to be heretics since Sola scriptura is a short way of saying "I'm going to interpret the Bible the way I want."

    Sola scriptura means that the Bible is the sole source of truth. It most definitely doesn't mean "I'm going to interpret the Bible the way I want." That is a lie.

    What Catholics want people to believe is that their unScriptural "baggage" that they have added to the pure Word of God should be accepted as equivalent to God's truth. It's clearly a delusion, designed so that the Catholic hierarchy can manipulate and control those who fall for their false religion.
     
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    Jim B Well-Known Member

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    Show me one time that the "Catholic" denomination is mentioned in the Bible! It's a cult, pure and simple.

    As Prism correctly wrote, "Every cult makes the same claim, "We are the One True Church"
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    truth and morals are absolute and immutable!

    As God is absolute and immutable!

    truth and morals are revealed by God, who can neither deceive or be deceived!

    murder is always wrong and immoral
    Cos God said so!!!
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    true true of course true!

    Only Christ has authority to found the church all others are heretical sects, the tradition of men!
     
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