You bought up the 120, not me. The 11 were filled with the Holy Spirit on the day of pentecost, and before that, as you stated they were in a saved state.
Now, please answer my question. How can those not born again be Christians?
Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John
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Now, please answer my question. How can those not born again be Christians?
When you can tell me you perfectly obey all of Christ's commands I will consider what you write
No, the 11 were baptized in the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. It was their second filling.
The 120 did not receive the Holy Spirit before the Day of Pentecost, so why did they speak in tongues? The answer is in Scripture, so study.
I just did. Evidently, you didn't like the answer. Read 1 John 3:21-24. I answer with scripture to stand on.
So ask another question of what you really want to know.
I see you refuse to address the claim you made in your post. That some christians have not been born again. With that view, it is you who need to study the very basics upon which the christian faith stands
No you didn't.
''Only those who are actually born again obey their conscience where the laws of God are written, and are saved.''
Lets try again. How well must a person obey God's laws to be saved, perfectly or is there a pass mark. If there is, what is the passmark?
You just answered correctly, but I'm not the one ignorant of the scriptures.
The 120 were born again of the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. They weren't baptized with the Spirit until chapter four.
You keep and keep ducking the statement you made, though I time and time again addressed yours.
How can a person be a christian if they have not been born again?
We are not in the Old Covenant where they had to memorize 613 commandments and keep them perfectly, because as James points out, if they broke one they broke them all.
Tell me how the New Covenant is different. It is not the difference between Granny Smith apples and Delicious apples. It is the difference between a Granny Smith apple and the creator of the apple.
You seem to make a lot of statements but are unable to respond to any of them when asked to
They cannot. That is why Jesus said we MUST be born again. That means we are born of God. Does God sin? So do we?
You wrote in post 1 of this thread:
'''Many Christians today have never been born again. Don't be one of them'''
I asked you in post 377:
''How can a person be a christian if they have not been born again?''
You responded in post 380:
They cannot. That is why Jesus said we MUST be born again
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God does want a mans lip service; FROM THE HEART; not the pea brain.
The Churches are for the most part CORRUPT, teaching lies.
Parents make an appointment with a Priest for the Priest to speak for your infant and that baby will be born again. Nah.
Kids coaxed, pressured, promised presents go to the alter and be told what to say and we’ll schedule an appointment for God to make you born again. Nah.
Water drizzling, water dipping does not make a person born again.
I stand on that, because it is written. When we are born again it is because we have repented unto Jesus. Acts 2:38 says we then receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. At that point we receive the authorities in Mark 16:16-18, which includes speaking in tongues TO God (without interpretation being absolutely necessary). That is why the 120 were able to speak in tongues, BEFORE being baptized in the Holy Spirit for the gifts of 1 Corinthians 12, where the other gift of tongues for messages FROM God in a service for the profit of all must be interpreted by someone with that office.
Being born again is receiving the Spirit on the inside, not still drawing us from the outside. Romans 8:9 says without the Spirit of Christ we do not belong to Him.
The two different tongues are the sign, and the gift.
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What is “the letter of Law” you are talking about?
600+ Written OT Jewish Laws?
Some other Written Gentile Laws?
You can stand on an utter contradiction if you want to. It would be unthinkable to admit to error wouldn't it
What did you find to be contradictory. I read what I wrote and there was no contradiction, unless you made one in your mind. So what is it you are thinking?
Im not writing this for your benefit, for you will not admit to error. But in post 1 of this thread you stated not all christians have been born again. You changed your mind in post 380. I only write this again, so that others will consider it when reading silly posts of people who claim not to commit any sin
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