Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John

[Jim B]

So strong sexual desire is not lust?
Lust is not coveting?
Whos being ridiculous?

My reply was to johann, not you. You, as usual, are being ridiculous. BTW, if you're such a language expert, it "who's" (the contraction of "who is") not whos (as you wrote it). Better stop using the KJV if you don't have a mastery of English.

 

[Jim B]

On ignore you go.
J.

Thank you!!! I much prefer to communicate with sensible people!

 

[savedbygrace1]

My reply was to johann, not you. You, as usual, are being ridiculous. BTW, if you're such a language expert, it "who's" (the contraction of "who is") not whos (as you wrote it). Better stop using the KJV if you don't have a mastery of English.

So strong sexual desire is not lust in your opinion?
Lust is not coveting?
Who is being ridiculous?
Neither you nor istcenturylady understood lust broke the tenth commandment. And for some reason, you have taken great offence at having it pointed out to you it does

 

[Johann]

strong sexual desire is not lust?
Lust is not coveting?
Who is being ridiculous?

I don't mind you being rude to me. I have read many of your comments being rude to others also. So now do you understand why you are on the internet debating the bible?

Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

The only way to avoid them is to put them on ignore.
J.

 

[savedbygrace1]

Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

The only way to avoid them is to put them on ignore.
J.

Good advice, I will take it

 

[Jim B]

So strong sexual desire is not lust in your opinion?
Lust is not coveting?
Who is being ridiculous?
Neither you nor istcenturylady understood lust broke the tenth commandment. And for some reason, you have taken great offence at having it pointed out to you it does

Exodus 20:17 is the last of the ten commandments. It reads “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that belongs to your neighbor.” Now if you think that "covet" has a sexual meaning, then your neighbor's wife, his male servant, his female servant , his ox, and his donkey are in real trouble.

 

[Johann]

Good advice, I will take it

See how much time we have wasted on these clowns/hypocrites?
We need to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling and not what the Internet holy Bots are saying, hopefully tomorrow will be a productive day in Christ Jesus
Shalom
J.

 

[savedbygrace1]

See how much time we have wasted on these clowns/hypocrites?
We need to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling and not what the Internet holy Bots are saying, hopefully tomorrow will be a productive day in Christ Jesus
Shalom
J.

If even one sincere person read opposition to those who do not practice what they preach/demand of others, it is not wasted time. I have seen the damage done to far too many people who felt crushed with guilt at not attaining to the state others professed to be at. It is purely Phariseeical, from those who must have hardened hearts. They simply excuse their sin as trivial, or somehow try and ignore it altogether. The second greatest commandment is ignored, there only concern is trying to impress you with their so called spiritual state

 

[Taken]

called. Greek. chrematizo. This word occurs nine times. See note on Luk_2:26. Generally of a Divine communication. The noun chrematismos Occurs only in Rom_11:4. Though the name may have been given at first by Gentiles in mockery, the usage of the word by the Holy Spirit indicates that its real origin was Divine.
Christians. Here, Act_26:28. 1Pe_4:16. Compare Act_15:17. Jews could not have given the name, as Christos was a sacred word.
Bullinger.

You are reeling off a lot of words,

The INTENT is that you would Actually UNDERSTAND what you read.

how can you say the disciples were NOT Christians?

NOT ONCE did I say that, so WHY be dishonest?

 

[Taken]

See how much time we have wasted on these clowns/hypocrites?
We need to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling and not what the Internet holy Bots are saying, hopefully tomorrow will be a productive day in Christ Jesus
Shalom
J.

Name calling does not make you upright.

 

[savedbygrace1]

Name calling does not make you upright.

Being a bit mischevous. What names did Jesus give to religious people who did not practice what they preached/demanded of others? Much, much worse than Johann has stated

 

[ChristisGod]

So strong sexual desire is not lust in your opinion?
Lust is not coveting?
Who is being ridiculous?
Neither you nor istcenturylady understood lust broke the tenth commandment. And for some reason, you have taken great offence at having it pointed out to you it does

Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Looking at a woman that is beautiful is not lust but desiring her, undressing her, wanting to sleep with her is lust just like David did with Bathsheba.

Strong's Concordance
epithumeó: desire, lust after
Original Word: ἐπιθυμέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: epithumeó
Phonetic Spelling: (ep-ee-thoo-meh'-o)
Definition: desire, lust after
Usage: I long for, covet, lust after, set the heart upon.
HELPS Word-studies
1937 epithyméō (from 1909 /epí, "focused on" intensifying 2372 /thymós, "passionate desire") – properly, to show focused passion as it aptly builds on (Gk epi, "upon") what a person truly yearns for; to "greatly desire to do or have something – 'to long for, to desire very much' " (L & N, 1, 25.12).

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from epi and thumos
Definition
desire, lust after
NASB Translation
covet (2), coveted (1), craved (1), desire (1), desired (2), desires (1), gladly (1), long (3), longing (1), lust (2), sets its desire (1).


Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1937: ἐπιθυμέω

ἐπιθυμέω, ἐπιθύμω; (imperfect ἐπεθύμουν); future ἐπιθυμήσω; 1 aorist ἐπεθύμησα; (θυμός); from Aeschylus down; the Sept. for אִוָּה and חָמַד; properly, "to keep the θυμός turned upon a thing, hence (cf. our to set one's heart upon) to have a desire for, long for; absolutely, to desire (A. V. lust"), James 4:2; to lust after, covet, of those who seek things forbidden, Romans 7:7; Romans 13:9 (from Exodus 20:17); 1 Corinthians 10:6 (4 Macc. 2:6); κατά τίνος, to have desires opposed to (A. V. lust against) a thing (Galatians 5:17 (Buttmann, 335 (288)); τίνος, to long for, covet a thing, Acts 20:33; 1 Timothy 3:1; of sexual desire, γυναικός, Matthew 5:28 Rec. (see below) (παιδός ἤ γυναικός, Xenophon, an. 4, 1, 14; with the genitive also in Exodus 34:24; Proverbs 21:26; Proverbs 23:3, 6; Wis. 6:12; Sir. 24:19 (18), etc.); contrary to the usage of the better Greek writings with the accusative of the object, Matthew 5:28 L Tr (WH brackets), and without an object Tdf. (Exodus 20:17; Deuteronomy 5:21; Micah 2:2; Wis. 16:3; Sir. 1:26 (23), etc.; cf. Winer's Grammar, § 30, 10 b.); as often in Greek writings, followed by the infinitive: Matthew 13:17; Luke 15:16; (Luke 16:21); ; 1 Peter 1:12; Revelation 9:6; followed by the accusative with the infinitive Hebrews 6:11; ἐπιθυμία ἐπεθύμησα I have greatly desired, Luke 22:15; cf. Winers Grammar, § 54, 3; Buttmann

 

[Johann]

Name calling does not make you upright.

Calling a spade a spade, Jesus tone was and is more vehement than mine hence the softening of His tone in many translations.
J.

 

[Johann]

The INTENT is that you would Actually UNDERSTAND what you read.



NOT ONCE did I say that, so WHY be dishonest?

See the problem here?
On another note, I posted a video clip of RC Sproul and John Mac on the sin nature since we have many sinless perfectionists here on this platform and guess what?
They, two members I will not mention, turned like a pack of wolves on RC and Mac.
Truth is not to be found on this platform, that I can tell you, since there are many, many diverse denominations and their spokesmen are not inspired.
What we have is a sugar-coated, watered down gospel catering to all religions on this platform, making Jesus said what He never said.
Am I coming on too strong for you?
J.

 

[ChristisGod]

Calling a spade a spade, Jesus tone was and is more vehement than mine hence the softening of His tone in many translations.
J.

Except Jesus was God and perfect in His love and judgement. Unfortunately we are not and do not have the same abilities Jesus had such as knowing mans thoughts, intentions and their heart.

 

[Johann]

If even one sincere person read opposition to those who do not practice what they preach/demand of others, it is not wasted time. I have seen the damage done to far too many people who felt crushed with guilt at not attaining to the state others professed to be at. It is purely Phariseeical, from those who must have hardened hearts. They simply excuse their sin as trivial, or somehow try and ignore it altogether. The second greatest commandment is ignored, there only concern is trying to impress you with their so called spiritual state

Redefinition of sin, that's what they are doing
J.

 

[Johann]

Except Jesus was God and perfect in His love and judgement. Unfortunately we are not and do not have the same abilities Jesus had such as knowing mans thoughts, intentions and their heart.

I concur
J.

 

[Johann]

Except Jesus was God and perfect in His love and judgement. Unfortunately we are not and do not have the same abilities Jesus had such as knowing mans thoughts, intentions and their heart.

Forgot to mention, the wrath of a holy YHVH abides now, presently, on all the sinners and unbelievers, no such thing as God loves the sinner but hates the sin.
J.

 

[ChristisGod]

Forgot to mention, the wrath of a holy YHVH abides now, presently, on all the sinners and unbelievers, no such thing as God loves the sinner but hates the sin.
J.

And lets not forget this below:

Romans 5:10
For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life!

Ephesians 2
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.

 

[Jim B]

Forgot to mention, the wrath of a holy YHVH abides now, presently, on all the sinners and unbelievers, no such thing as God loves the sinner but hates the sin.
J.

So John 3:16 -- perhaps the most famous verse in the Bible -- doesn't exist in your Bible? Or perhaps you don't understand it?

John 3:16-17 says this: "For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him."

So your repeating the unScriptural platitude -- no such thing as God loves the sinner but hates the sin -- is contrary to the Bible. God loved the world -- all people. Your repeating this falsity shows your attitude, not God's. God loves the world and did not send His son to condemn sinners.