Since Christ paid the price for our sins... and became our righteousness... how should we live for H

[Jake]

You must lose your life, to get His life, so yes, that's about right. Jesus has paved the way for us to receive life, we have an entire book of instruction to tell us what we need to do to get there AND we have His Spirit to be led by to tell us what we need to do.

Matthew 16:24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him wdeny himself and xtake up his cross and follow me. 25 For xwhoever would save his life1 will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

 

[Robbie]

The Pharisees who rejected Jesus had the scriptures and Jesus standing right in front of their face and they couldn't see past their own hypocritical self righteousness either...

 

[Prentis]

You must lose your life, to get His life, so yes, that's about right. Jesus has paved the way for us to receive life, we have an entire book of instruction to tell us what we need to do to get there AND we have His Spirit to be led by to tell us what we need to do.

Matthew 16:24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him wdeny himself and xtake up his cross and follow me. 25 For xwhoever would save his life1 will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

Amen. If you do not hate mother, brother, and sister you cannot be my disciple. Unless you drink my blood and eat my flesh, you can have no part with me.

We pay the price of our life that we may have his.

 

[Robbie]

So it's about you paying the price? WOW... such lies and falsehood..

 

[Jake]

Amen. If you do not hate mother, brother, and sister you cannot be my disciple. Unless you drink my blood and eat my flesh, you can have no part with me.

We pay the price of our life that we may have his.

Yes, the price we pay is we give up our lives, for Him, we give up all our desires, all our wants, we even give up people who we love, we do what He tells us to do, we obey Him, all for the sake of Christ. He bought us with a price, so all is His, we surrender everything to Him.

 

[Robbie]

So it's all about what you do for Christ's sake? you're seriously so lost... you're such ego maniacs to think it's about you paying the price for Christ's sake... you're seriously glorifying yourselves and denying the Lord... you're seriously like a bunch of antichrists... falling to the same snare as the devil... your pride.

 

[aspen]

Is Paul an egomaniac? He tells us to do exactly what Prentis and Jake are talking about.

 

[Jake]

Yet, everything I have said is in the Bible, go figure.

 

[brionne]

Yes, the price we pay is we give up our lives, for Him, we give up all our desires, all our wants, we even give up people who we love, we do what He tells us to do, we obey Him, all for the sake of Christ. He bought us with a price, so all is His, we surrender everything to Him.

So true.

Matthew 16:24 Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and continually follow me. 25 For whoever wants to save his soul will lose it; but whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it. 26 For what benefit will it be to a man if he gains the whole world but forfeits his soul? or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of man is destined to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will recompense each one according to his behavior.

If we become a follower of Jesus, we are only righteous by his blood if we live according to the righteous life he lived.

 

[Robbie]

haha... are you kidding me?


"And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage), to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you." - Paul

Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

[sup]14[/sup] But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews? [sup]15[/sup] We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, [sup]16[/sup] knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
[sup]17[/sup] “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! [sup]18[/sup] For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. [sup]19[/sup] For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. [sup]20[/sup] I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. [sup]21[/sup] I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.” - Paul

Which is exactly what you guys keep saying... that Christ died in vain... that He is powerless without our own righteousness to save us.

You're liars... and the craziest thing is with what you're preaching your condemning yourself since none of you are living up to it...

 

[aspen]

hmm....strange that everyone but you is a liar Robbie.....what could that mean?

 

[Robbie]

I didn't know that 4 people equals everyone? hahaha

And what?

Does no one else here agree that Christ alone is the propitiation for our sins?

Am I the only one that confesses Him alone as savior and not our works?

Aspen... pretty much all my friends realize that... but that's because we live in the truth with each other about our sins... which is why we realize our only hope is in the cross and being covered by His blood. Because we don't cover our sins with darkness... our sins are covered by His blood...

Maybe you should stop drinking... work things out with your wife... make yourself perfect as Jesus... and then maybe I'll listen to your gospel of self achieved perfection based on what you do.

But why am I going to listen to anyone preach a way to salvation that they themselves aren't even living up to? haha

 

[aspen]

I didn't know that 4 people equals everyone? hahaha

And what?

Does no one else here agree that Christ alone is the propitiation for our sins?

Am I the only one that confesses Him alone as savior and not our works?

Aspen... pretty much all my friends realize that... but that's because we live in the truth with each other about our sins... which is why we realize our only hope is in the cross and being covered by His blood. Because we don't cover our sins with darkness... our sins are covered by His blood...

Maybe you should stop drinking... work things out with your wife... make yourself perfect as Jesus... and then maybe I'll listen to your gospel of self achieved perfection based on what you do.

But why am I going to listen to anyone preach a way to salvation that they themselves aren't even living up to? haha

Everyone believes that Christ is the only one who can save us - we've repeated that over and over in many different ways. You are the person that refuses to see it.

You've decided that any action on our part in our relationship with Christ is taking away from His work on the Cross and you automatically lump everyone who believes this into the works camp.

The fact is Robbie, we would not even exist with out God's Grace. It is Grace that saves - not faith or works.

I didn't know that 4 people equals everyone? hahaha

And what?

Does no one else here agree that Christ alone is the propitiation for our sins?

Am I the only one that confesses Him alone as savior and not our works?

Aspen... pretty much all my friends realize that... but that's because we live in the truth with each other about our sins... which is why we realize our only hope is in the cross and being covered by His blood. Because we don't cover our sins with darkness... our sins are covered by His blood...

Maybe you should stop drinking... work things out with your wife... make yourself perfect as Jesus... and then maybe I'll listen to your gospel of self achieved perfection based on what you do.

But why am I going to listen to anyone preach a way to salvation that they themselves aren't even living up to? haha

Ah so there it is!

Ha.....you have to be perfect to share the love of the gospel! Wow, I am glad you are being honest - God help us if that is the case.

Well, Robbie if you are expecting to have a sit down with all the people in your life so that they can confess their sins to you before you decide to listen to them or not - you are not going to have many friends and certainly no authority.

You have some pretty high demands for others and you think pretty highly of yourself.

 

[Rach1370]

What should you be doing with your life?

What are you doing with your life?

Is there anything you're doing right now that you wish you weren't doing?

Is there anything you're not doing right now that you think you should be doing?

Our lives should be giving glory to God. We have our salvation in and through Christ, and the renewing of our hearts should then push us to grow more and more like Christ, therefore giving glory to God for the change in us. Because it's not by our own want or desire or self control that we can change...it's only through the Holy Spirit working within us, guiding us and convicting us.
My life tends to plod along...I try and grow in my understanding of God's word...and I find it wonderful. The more and deeper I understand what God has done for me, the more I love Him! It's that very love that pushes me to continue my walk...I know I cannot improve by my own will...but it's still me that has to pick up the bible, ring my friend, get in the car and go to church. I know that sin grieves God, so I try to put it to death!
Right now the thing that the Spirit is laying on my heart is "it's not about me"! I continually stumble in this, but I can see that my relationships with others is improving thanks to the Spirit's guiding. It's about Jesus first, and then others! I am thankful that Jesus has placed this on my heart, it's helping me grow closer to Him!
As far as what I should be doing right now....I'm aware I need to be praying more, probably reading the bible more than I do. I do feel I'm not growing quickly...but that is just a selfish want based on my perspective of time I suspect! As long as I am moving closer to Jesus, even slowly, then I suppose I shouldn't worry about anything else...just keep my eyes on Him!

 

[Robbie]

Aspen... you're not sharing the gospel... you're sharing that Christ on the cross and His blood isn't enough to save us... that we need to live up to some level of righteousness... and none of you who are proclaiming that way are actually living up to it... it's ridiculous...

I am giving glory to God Rach... I'm not the one who keeps saying Christ died in vain... I'm not the one who said that there's no such thing as the gift of salvation... or that when we stand in front of God Christ isn't who saves us... so I am the one giving glory... because I am giving glory to His Son for my salvation...

 

[aspen]

Aspen... you're not sharing the gospel... you're sharing that Christ on the cross and His blood isn't enough to save us... that we need to live up to some level of righteousness... and none of you who are proclaiming that way are actually living up to it... it's ridiculous...

I am giving glory to God Rach... I'm not the one who keeps saying Christ died in vain... I'm not the one who said that there's no such thing as the gift of salvation... or that when we stand in front of God Christ isn't who saves us... so I am the one giving glory... because I am giving glory to His Son for my salvation...

Participation has no minimum standard. There is no standard of righteousness anyone has to meet - they just have to participate by practicing loving others. The fact is, you overlook the participation because you are peddling an insecure Christ - you actually believe His work on the cross will be threatened if we follow His command to pick up our cross and follow Him. Christ does not have an ego, Robbie - He is securely God.

 

[Robbie]

Wait a minute... you said a relationship took full participation from each person... that's what I was disagreeing with...

If you merely said a relationship takes two people involved I wouldn't have disagreed.

But full participation?

Human parents have amazing relationships with their handicap children that aren't fully participating in the relationship and it has no baring on how much they love them, provide for them, and if anything they have to sacrifice even greater for them, but this isn't grudgingly... because they love them. I mean how many imperfect humans have given up their lives to take care of a handicap child for no other reason than love. How much more can we expect from our Father who is perfect.

I mean how many parents have paid the price for their kids DUI's or drug offenses so the condemnation against them that was in the law wouldn't separate their children from them? Is it really so surprising that God who is perfect love would do the same for us even when we're completely flawed? Is that kid who couldn't have paid their own way out of it or done anything to pay the price themselves any less in relationship with their parent? Or are they just gonna even love more because they realize that there was nothing they could do to save themselves and the glory for their freedom belongs completely to their parents.



And no aspen.. you're accusing me of the opposite of what I am... I'm secure in my salvation... I'm assured of it... I'm secure in Jesus... I'm saying His cross doesn't need my works... Prentis, you, and others are the ones that were denying that we could be assured of our salvation in Christ... that's an insecure Christ... haha


And man I know you don't see honesty as Love... but here's the deal... I don't really care what you think... I know when we stand before God that you'll know my intentions... so what your perception is now... is irrelevant....

 

[aspen]

I may have said 'full participation' at some point, but it was only to emphasize the importance of the participation, not the degree - evidently, I misspoke.

In any case, it doesn't matter - if both parties' participation is required for a relationship - we have a part to play in our relationship with God and our sanctification and ultimately our journey to salvation. It takes nothing away from the Cross - that is not even a Biblical phrase - it is Christianeze. Men wrote the Bible and it often leads people to Christ which means that it plays a role in salvation - does that take away from the cross?

 

[Rach1370]

I am giving glory to God Rach... I'm not the one who keeps saying Christ died in vain... I'm not the one who said that there's no such thing as the gift of salvation... or that when we stand in front of God Christ isn't who saves us... so I am the one giving glory... because I am giving glory to His Son for my salvation...

Whoa! Wait up Robbie. Firstly, I pretty much skipped over all your goings on with others (I read them, but as I wasn't part of the conversation I didn't refer to them), all I was doing was answering your OP.
Secondly, I never said any of those ^^^^^^ things, about myself or about you! My post was basically what God is doing or pressing on ME at present (as per the OP questions)...there were no accusations of you at all. And I most certainly have never said that Jesus died in vain, that there's no such thing as the gift of salvation etc. I am most distressed that you would see any of that in my post. Perhaps you could read it again, and just make it in light of your OP?

 

[Robbie]

I just re-read what you wrote Rach without thinking you were part of the lil mob that was coming against me and you're right... I was mistaken... my bad...

I was just dealing with a lot of accusations from a lot of different people so when I read your response I read it from a defensive place and I misinterpreted it.

Once I read your post from a place that wasn't defensive because I though you were telling me I had to reach some level of personal righteousness in order to be saved I could hear it much better.

And I agree... not only glory for the Lord for saving us... but all glory to the Lord for the work He's doing in us.