Second Death

[MatthewG]

Second death

 

[MatthewG]

 

[amigo de christo]

Ressurection of damnation aint a good thing . Only an agent of francis would try and twist these things .

 

[MatthewG]

It’s better than completely gone bye bye fat head if you ask me. God is truly amazing and only gives good gifts, but some don’t want part of it and that is the sad, Amigo, but God is love, more loving than we could truly understand.

 

[amigo de christo]

It’s better than completely gone bye bye fat head if you ask me. God is truly amazing and only gives good gifts, but some don’t want part of it and that is the sad, Amigo, but God is love, more loving than we could truly understand.

Yalls version of love comes not from GOD . Satan is busying trying to let religoins and folks feel saved in their own religoins .
AND I DONT SEE the LOVE OF GOD IN THAT .
Stop allowing folks to believe the lake of fire will contain AIR CONDITIONING . INSTEAD PREACH THIS , REPENT AND BELEIVE IN JESUS
. But stop trying to make GOD look like a monster just cause your think his love wont allow the lake of fire . EVEN THOUGH
JESUS speaks of the ressurection of damnation . NOTICE he says they dont go away with less gifts
HE SAYS INTO TORMENT . SO yeah . IF JESUS said it , my advice is BELEIVE IT and instead of trying to tone down
eternal damnation , PREACH JESUS instead .

 

[MatthewG]

I’m not here to divide brother. You do what you need to, I love all brothers and sisters who believe that Jesus is their Lord and savior. God deals with each of us on and individual level and not everyone is of the same understanding.

Yes people be raised to a resurrected damned body, and some be raised to a resurrected body of life. The resurrection is universal and is available to all people faithless or faithful.

 

[amigo de christo]

This generation thinks it loves everyone . Yet wont warn a soul . instead they preach things like everyone has their own path to GOD
and GOD aint gonna send anyone to the lake of fire . THE ANSWER IS JESUS
and if ya cant preach HIM and remind folks to beleive in HIM then you only present danger to the peoples .

 

[MatthewG]

You’re right sir, but Jesus told us to love God first and love our neighbors and treat them how we would want to be treated friend.

Let’s not forget that God is love.

If you read the two posts they talk about the Lake of Fire, sir.

 

[amigo de christo]

You’re right sir, but Jesus told us to love God first and love our neighbors and treat them how we would want to be treated friend.

Let’s not forget that God is love.

If you read the two posts they talk about the Lake of Fire, sir.

Well we are to LOVE GOD above all , and how do we know we love GOD , if we love CHRIST
and how do we know we love Christ , IF we do His sayings . AND since we are on this subject .
What if i saw one of your own children getting ready to skate on thin ice , NEVER warned them
just said HEY IF you LIKE TO skate knock yourself out . And then they drown . DO YOU THINK that is LOVE .
NO . love would have warned that child for his own good not to get on that ice .
SO LOVE IS GONNA WARN FOLKS , BELEIVE IN JESUS . cause the lake of fire is real , and i dont see love
in allowing folks to believe they dont have to beleive in Christ to be saved . I DONT SEE LOVE AT ALL .
IF this generation truly KNEW GOD , truly knew CHRIST and had the TRUE LOVE OF GOD
well they would desire GOOD and not destruction for folks . Teaching what you do is gonna cost souls their life .
YOU need to back this truck way up and start over with the gospel train and preach JESUS . HURRY .

 

[MatthewG]

Of course. Your right, there is nothing wrong with warning a person.

 

[amigo de christo]

Of course. Your right, there is nothing wrong with warning a person.

Its why i am trying to also warn you to stop teaching some of the things you are teaching .
Thou shalt not lie . And allowing folks to believe some of the things you teach is very , very dangerous .
This church age needs to do a massive exodus out this all inclusive many path lie and march right back into
BIBLEs and start learning that JESUS for themselves . Do you realize that this generation
uses the word love more than any other generation i have ever seen . YET IT KNOWS NOT LOVE at all .
A delusion has taken hold onto the churches as well as the world . WE MUST return and return NOW
to preaching the original LIFE SAVING and LIFE CHANGING GOSPEL and allow none to beleive a lie .
WE must return to preaching CHRIST as the only means to be saved and that one MUST beleive IN HIM
The orginal gospel is , That if you shall believe from the heart that GOD has rose HIM from the dead and confess HIM by mouth
YE shall be saved . The LAKE OF FIRE , eternal damanation is REAL . SO IS ETERNAL LIFE.
PRESENT the gospel and stop trying to omit the righteous judgment of GOD . instead POINT FOLKS TO CHRIST .

 

[MatthewG]

You’re right, but I won’t stop teaching things that go left untouched by most. I’m what is called the minority.

 

[Episkopos]

The second death is the annihilation of the wicked...those souls deemed not worthy of eternal life.

But there is another aspect to this. Death also means separation. The unrighteous among God's people will be separated from God's presence forever in outer darkness.

Then there are the righteous among the nations of those who are saved and the saints who rule over them from the holy city. The saints will rule with Christ.

 

[MatthewG]

Spiritual afterlife loss. Depends on the reaping and sowing one chooses to do. I get what amigo is saying point to Christ, that is good to do however it is also good to let them know what Jesus had done for their behalf. Some simply choose not to accept. Just depends on the individual, God looks at the heart after all.

 

[Enoch111]

Second death

This is another attempt by MatthewG to sow the seeds of spiritual confusion and attack the doctrine of eternal damnation (which includes the Second Death). I am not sure whose writing he has reproduced in the OP, but the very first line gives him away. He says "Understand that we are not talking about hell and hellfire" when that is EXACTLY what the Bible says about the Second Death.

MatthewG it is indeed sad to see that you are not only committed to heresy after heresy, but you love promoting your nonsense on this forum. So if the Second Death is not eternal damnation in the Lake of Fire, what exactly is it -- annihilation?

Posting heretical and heterodox ideas on a Christian forum is not just some recreational activity. It is an ATTACK on Bible truth, and the one who is behind these attacks is Satan. So you really need to repent and get back to sound Bible doctrine.

 

[MatthewG]

Did you read the article?

I don’t mind if you desire to be divisive as many people have been taught many things, and what normally comes about is complete and destruction of a person.

That is a normative comment and belief by many people, if that is what you believe is going to happen that is what you believe, however if you believe Jesus has overcome all things, that would mean he overcame spiritual death; save those who were placed in the lake of fire forever (Devil/Satan and his angels, the false prophet and the beast).

In revelation 21 it talks about those who have a “part” in the lake of fire, so I’m okay with this, they will experience spiritual afterlife loss, in which they will receive a spiritual body that is factually given by God himself, whatever remains after going through the Fire that is part of him, is what remains and they perhaps will be outside of the kingdom of heaven.

Again it depends on you, and what you believe the possibilities of God getting his desires over what man may believe or desire.

 

[MatthewG]

Here is the source material, it is about 8$ I think, interesting little book full of insights, the thing is it up to the person to think for themselves and choose what they will believe, I can not force everyone to think the same way.

We are called not to be divisive or bicker and Argue who is right and who is wrong but learn from each other if possible and be in unity with what God desires for us, and that is ultimately love as defined in 1 Corinthians 13.

PDF | The Christian Anarchist Crookbook | cult

People will have a problem with the name itself, it up the individual if they can resonate with the material. To each their own and God bless all people on this forum.

 

[Waiting on him]

You’re right, but I won’t stop teaching things that go left untouched by most. I’m what is called the minority.

I’m trying to wrap my brain around all of this. Are people saying God is going to resurrect people from hell, judge them, and then cast them in the lake of fire?

 

[MatthewG]

Hello waiting on Him,

We would have to study the Bible to figure it out.

There were angels reserved for judgement, there was people in the prison part of Sheol, and those in paradise that was dumped out.

So could consider their day in age, something they would experience before us… I don’t know.

From Peter
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;

There is in Revelation 21 that mentions having a “part” in the lake of fire, and this Fire is perhaps God himself.

 

[Behold]

There is no "Judgement for sin" that a Born Again Believer will face after they die.

How do you know?

Because we meet God, not as JUDGE< but as FATHER. "abba".

The unbelievers, (never born again).. will meet God as JUDGE.....not as "abba" and they will taste the end result regarding dying a Christ Rejector.

John 3:36