Having borne chastisement

[VictoryinJesus]

For has anyone said to God, I have borne [chastisement] I will not offend [anymore]? job 43:31

And as we have borne the image of the earthly, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly. 1 Corinthians 15:49

For he grew up before Him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of parched ground; He has no [stately] form or majesty that we should be attracted to Him. He was despised and forsaken of men. A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief, And like one from whom men hide their faces He was despised, And we did not esteem Him. Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, smitten of God and afflicted. But He was pierced through for our transgression, He was crushed for our inquities ; The chastening of our well being [fell]upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.​

what is: to have borne chastisement? When His word says; as you have borne the image of earthly, you shall also bear the image of heavenly…

is the image of the earthly, to have borne chastisement? Or is the image of the heavenly, to have borne chastisement? Or has He borne our chastisement, that we might bear His image?

 

[amigo de christo]

In this world ye shall have tribulations .
And
FOR not only is it given unto us to BELIEVE ON HIM but also to SUFFER FOR HIM .

 

[amadeus]

For has anyone said to God, I have borne [chastisement] I will not offend [anymore]? job 43:31

And as we have borne the image of the earthly, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly. 1 Corinthians 15:49

For he grew up before Him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of parched ground; He has no [stately] form or majesty that we should be attracted to Him. He was despised and forsaken of men. A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief, And like one from whom men hide their faces He was despised, And we did not esteem Him. Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, smitten of God and afflicted. But He was pierced through for our transgression, He was crushed for our inquities ; The chastening of our well being [fell]upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.​

what is: to have borne chastisement? When His word says; as you have borne the image of earthly, you shall also bear the image of heavenly…

is the image of the earthly, to have borne chastisement? Or is the image of the heavenly, to have borne chastisement? Or has He borne our chastisement, that we might bear His image?

"And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons." Heb 12:5-8

 

[Raccoon1010]

For has anyone said to God, I have borne [chastisement] I will not offend [anymore]? job 43:31

And as we have borne the image of the earthly, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly. 1 Corinthians 15:49

For he grew up before Him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of parched ground; He has no [stately] form or majesty that we should be attracted to Him. He was despised and forsaken of men. A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief, And like one from whom men hide their faces He was despised, And we did not esteem Him. Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, smitten of God and afflicted. But He was pierced through for our transgression, He was crushed for our inquities ; The chastening of our well being [fell]upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.​

what is: to have borne chastisement? When His word says; as you have borne the image of earthly, you shall also bear the image of heavenly…

is the image of the earthly, to have borne chastisement? Or is the image of the heavenly, to have borne chastisement? Or has He borne our chastisement, that we might bear His image?

We are chastised to be steered towards righteous works. Obeying the commandments and doing works meet for repentance. Hoping that the Lord will save us.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I think it's also important to note that sin is not punished on earth without God. Would the devil punish us for sinning? Probably not. And I think that is an important function of God. That we don't profit from sin, instead it causes us suffering. And perhaps that is the chastisement. That we learn that sin doesn't help us but rather hurts us. Then we might desire to not sin.

And when we do good, the Lord rewards us with Love, Peace, Joy, etc (Galatians 5:22-23) and prosperity sometimes.

God teaches us to be good people.

 

[amadeus]

...
God teaches us to be good people.

God has provided the means to that end, but how many are striving in that direction, using all that was made available through His Son?

 

[Raccoon1010]

God has provided the means to that end, but how many are striving in that direction, using all that was made available through His Son?

Not sure what you mean. Can you clarify?

His Son has provided rewards for righteous living. The peace, love and joy, and physical strength, and sometimes prosperity and often healing.

Isaiah 40:31 But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Psalms 92:12 The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree: he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon.

 

[amadeus]

Not sure what you mean. Can you clarify?

To the "end" [purpose] of becoming "good"!

Who is good?

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" Matt 19:17

To enter into Life, must a man not be "good"? Jesus said there was only One that was good. What did Jesus have within himself? Consider his prayer here:

"I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." John 17:23

"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" Col 1:27

His Son has provided rewards for righteous living. The peace, love and joy, and physical strength, and sometimes prosperity and often healing.

Isaiah 40:31 But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Psalms 92:12 The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree: he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon.

All of that!

 

[Raccoon1010]

To the "end" [purpose] of becoming "good"!

Who is good?

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" Matt 19:17

To enter into Life, must a man not be "good"? Jesus said there was only One that was good. What did Jesus have within himself? Consider his prayer here:

"I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." John 17:23

"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" Col 1:27


All of that!

I've heard this argument before. I think it's important for people to believe that they are good when God's spirit dwells in them. God makes us good.

God directs us to good works and Christ cleanses us with his blood. That we may be clean and righteous, not self righteous though.

1 John 1:7-9
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

"And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons." Heb 12:5-8

While reading Job yesterday morning it caused me to consider having borne chastisement. I’ve always been at home but now that I’m out at work I see people struggling. Every day. There was a woman in the public bathroom at work and when I walked in I knew something was wrong. She could hardly speak but instead in this tiny voice said “I can’t let go”. She was holding onto the sink counter and I could tell if she let go, she would fall. Then to come up on an aisle and to see a man in a wheel chair having a seizure. His wife was holding his shoulder patiently waiting for the seizure to pass. I could tell by her face she didn’t want me to stop but to keep walking without bringing attention to him. It is things like this. So job was a good reminder because I can get down and depressed thinking the way the world is and the pain and suffering asking “where are you God?” As if He hasn’t visited, as if I know better than He does.

Job 35:15 Lexicon: "And now, because He has not visited in His anger, Nor has He acknowledged transgression well,


Job 35:16 Lexicon: So Job opens his mouth emptily; He multiplies words without knowledge."

im not not sure what the point of this thread was, except for the above. Just thinking, like my husband brought up yesterday about does the pot say to its maker “why have you made me this way?”

 

[amadeus]

I've heard this argument before. I think it's important for people to believe that they are good when God's spirit dwells in them. God makes us good.

God directs us to good works and Christ cleanses us with his blood. That we may be clean and righteous, not self righteous though.

1 John 1:7-9
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

For us to do good in the eyes of God, we must follow the lead of the Spirit. This is why Paul admonished us not to quench the Spirit! [I Thess 5:19]

Alone we are blind walking into a ditch and leading anyone who follows us into that same ditch:

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps" Jerem 10:23

"And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?" Luke 6:39

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost [Holy Spirit], whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

 

[Raccoon1010]

While reading Job yesterday morning it caused me to consider having borne chastisement. I’ve always been at home but now that I’m out at work I see people struggling. Every day. There was a woman in the public bathroom at work and when I walked in I knew something was wrong. She could hardly speak but instead in this tiny voice said “I can’t let go”. She was holding onto the sink counter and I could tell if she let go, she would fall. Then to come up on an aisle and to see a man in a wheel chair having a seizure. His wife was holding his shoulder patiently waiting for the seizure to pass. I could tell by her face she didn’t want me to stop but to keep walking without bringing attention to him. It is things like this. So job was a good reminder because I can get down and depressed thinking the way the world is and the pain and suffering asking “where are you God?” As if He hasn’t visited, as if I know better than He does.

Job 35:15 Lexicon: "And now, because He has not visited in His anger, Nor has He acknowledged transgression well,


Job 35:16 Lexicon: So Job opens his mouth emptily; He multiplies words without knowledge."

im not not sure what the point of this thread was, except for the above. Just thinking, like my husband brought up yesterday about does the pot say to its maker “why have you made me this way?”

God gives courage and peace to some that suffer so they are not in anguish. Sometimes God makes up for it. And when they are resurrected and in heaven they will suffer no more. This life is a trial for us. That we get to know God and desire the good he teaches. So there is sorrow and we get to know that sorrow that we might desire happiness like what is offered in heaven.

 

[Raccoon1010]

For us to do good in the eyes of God, we must follow the lead of the Spirit. This is why Paul admonished us not to quench the Spirit! [I Thess 5:19]

Alone we are blind walking into a ditch and leading anyone who follows us into that same ditch:

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps" Jerem 10:23

"And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?" Luke 6:39

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost [Holy Spirit], whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

I'm not sure we will ever 'be' truly good. That is a complicated topic. We can learn what good is and do good on our own then and when directed by the Holy Spirit we can do better. And our bodies are the temple of God. We can be cleansed from sin. And be vessels for God's spirit. So that we are not evil.

 

[amadeus]

While reading Job yesterday morning it caused me to consider having borne chastisement. I’ve always been at home but now that I’m out at work I see people struggling. Every day. There was a woman in the public bathroom at work and when I walked in I knew something was wrong. She could hardly speak but instead in this tiny voice said “I can’t let go”. She was holding onto the sink counter and I could tell if she let go, she would fall. Then to come up on an aisle and to see a man in a wheel chair having a seizure. His wife was holding his shoulder patiently waiting for the seizure to pass. I could tell by her face she didn’t want me to stop but to keep walking without bringing attention to him. It is things like this. So job was a good reminder because I can get down and depressed thinking the way the world is and the pain and suffering asking “where are you God?” As if He hasn’t visited, as if I know better than He does.

Job 35:15 Lexicon: "And now, because He has not visited in His anger, Nor has He acknowledged transgression well,


Job 35:16 Lexicon: So Job opens his mouth emptily; He multiplies words without knowledge."

im not not sure what the point of this thread was, except for the above. Just thinking, like my husband brought up yesterday about does the pot say to its maker “why have you made me this way?”

Why did Job go through what he did? Consider the first verse:

"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect [complete] and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." Job 1:1

"So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning..." Job 42:12

What was accomplished in Job?

What was accomplished in the man, Jesus?

"And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." Luke 2:52

What is being accomplished in you or me?

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2

 

[Mantis]

Does the chastisement last your whole lifetime on Earth? I’m starting to thing mine will.

 

[amadeus]

I'm not sure we will ever 'be' truly good. That is a complicated topic. We can learn what good is and do good on our own then and when directed by the Holy Spirit we can do better. And our bodies are the temple of God. We can be cleansed from sin. And be vessels for God's spirit. So that we are not evil.

We can be good in accord with God's promises and traveling along the Way which He has provided. The means to accomplish it has been provided!

"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me" Matt 16:24

 

[VictoryinJesus]

"So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning..." Job 42:12

so the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning makes me think of
Ecclesiastes (restoring what was loss?)7:1-2 A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth. [2] It is better to go to the house of mourning, than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men; and the living will lay it to his heart.

“and the day of death than the day of one's birth” yet also Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

I really don’t know what that has to do with what you posted, but somehow it does help me in considering “much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.” In regards to “what was accomplished in the man, Jesus?” To be clear though, I don’t think that means how much more shall we be saved by the taking of his life, but by the giving of his life that there is fruit. (Just an opinion) by the continuance …of His Life?

What was accomplished in Job?

What was accomplished in the man, Jesus?

 

[marks]

Does the chastisement last your whole lifetime on Earth? I’m starting to thing mine will.

We all have different needs. God has seemingly chosen to keep me weak and afflicted in various ways, but I see the wisdom in that, in keeping me on the more narrow way.

Much love!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Does the chastisement last your whole lifetime on Earth? I’m starting to thing mine will.

That is a good question. I don’t know. The verse where Paul asks for God to remove the thorn from his flesh and God says to Paul: My grace is sufficient, for My strength is made perfect in weakness. If you think about the perfecting of God’s love from those with strength upon those weak…it’s only an opinion but as Paul considered his weakness and by their comfort “even though I appear as a reprobate” yet “I trust you will see we are not reprobate” Paul saw the bond of God which is love grow and abound in them. He said it brought him comfort, hope, and his joy was made full (which is some kind of strength yea?) Paul said for when I am weak then I am strong, that the power of God rest upon me.

 

[Taken]

To the "end" [purpose] of becoming "good"!

Who is good?

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" Matt 19:17

To enter into Life, must a man not be "good"? Jesus said there was only One that was good. What did Jesus have within himself? Consider his prayer here:

"I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." John 17:23

"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" Col 1:27


All of that!

God created man...BODY...oops, became corrupted, Offering to Raise up in uncorruption....not happened yet.

God made man ...ALIVE...breath of life soul...oops, being in a corrupt body, soul became corrupted.

In the beginning, BEFORE, corrupt body and corrupt soul...
God said...
All that He had created and made was “very good”.

When Jesus said, none were good. In that day, it was true.
However, thereafter, what was offered was...
~ Giving that body unto death...crucified with Jesus.
~ And what about that soul?
...saved from hell?
...saved unto God?
What does that mean? What did the Lord DO to a soul, of a Converted man?

* Pss 23:3 tells us....He “RESTORETH” our souls.
Which is to say, MAKE IT BACK to WHAT IS WAS, When God gave a mans body, Gods Breath of Life, and called it Very good.

*So what and WHEN Jesus said no one was good.
*That was true.
*Further learning, is His offering of Conversion, MAKES the soul restored, back to “good”.

Something to Ponder,
God Bless,
Taken