How does one "receive" Jesus and His subsequent power?

[theefaith]

The RCC rejects Acts 2:38 and the name of Jesus spoken to remit sins.

Jesus Christ crucified, have mercy on us oh Lord, have mercy on us!

but the liturgical functions on His church are Christ centric and trinitarian in form!

 

[Truther]

Jesus Christ crucified, have mercy on us oh Lord, have mercy on us!

but the liturgical functions on His church are Christ centric and trinitarian in form!

You say...blah blah..Jesus...blah blah....

But clam up with Jesus' name at a baptism.

You guys are silent as an mouse when you know you are supposed to verbally say the name of the son.

Squeak up at the next baptism you attend.

 

[theefaith]

You say...blah blah..Jesus...blah blah....

But clam up with Jesus' name at a baptism.

You guys are silent as an mouse when you know you are supposed to verbally say the name of the son.

Squeak up at the next baptism you attend.

we have been doing this for two thousand years pal!

always according to the eternal word found in Matt 28:19

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away

 

[theefaith]

Never answered???

tongue talking Pentecostal should know the tongues of fire represent the fire of divine love and the light of truth!

the foreign language represents the lands that each apostles would go to and preach the gospel of Jesus Christ!

James for example spoke Spanish and went to Spain (Gaul) Thomas went to India etc.

 

[Truther]

we have been doing this for two thousand years pal!

always according to the eternal word found in Matt 28:19

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away

In all those years, you have not led a single person to the remission of their sins for banning Acts 2:38.

Congrats.

 

[user]

John 1:12
King James Version

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


Was this power and official reception of Jesus in Acts 2, or some other way?


8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Does this debunk the modernists that say "I receive Jesus" without receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost per the Acts 2 experience?

Is there some new, modern way to receive Christ as one's personal savior and skip Acts?

Your questions or comments are welcome here.

Are you asking which has the power of God - Book of Acts experience vs. Epistles experience?

I choose book of Acts salvation.

BTW, what kind of "salvation experience" does one get by the epistles?

 

[Truther]

Are you asking which has the power of God - Book of Acts experience vs. Epistles experience?

I choose book of Acts salvation.

BTW, what kind of "salvation experience" does one get by the epistles?

None. The epistles are letters written to saved saints.

There is no initial salvation found in them.

They were written to edify comfort and exhort saved believers.

 

[user]

The Holy Spirit will come and live in those who believe in Jesus, this being the promise Jesus made to His disciples before leaving them-that if He goes, He will send someone to guide and comfort. "Receiving" Jesus simply means believing that He is the Son of God and that His blood had the power and is all we need to cleanse us from sin. Works only prove that we are saved and are not needed in order to be saved, but for those who believes in Jesus, this is obvious because the Holy Spirit lives in them and the works they do have been planned by God for them.

Also, Jesus said repeatedly "Your faith saved you", and whenever the apostles were asked what one can do in order to receive salvation, they would say "Believe in Jesus", after which they would've baptized. The event that occurred at Pentecost 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus was a one-time event to prove to unbelievers that the apostles were accredited and had the power from above to continue the work that Jesus started. Today, people are still saved by believing in the name of Jesus, and they receive the Holy Spirit in the moment of their salvation, but what happened at Pentecost will never happen again.

Jesus was always looking forward to the birth of the New Testament plan of salvation, of which he says...

John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
[39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

and another scripture, looking forward...

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


After Jesus was glorified, we continue the narrative in the book of Acts...

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

 

[user]

Perhaps it goes further than you think. Here is a question we all need to ponder.

Do we think those who contend that they indeed have received the Baptism similar to those in the book of Acts are walking in that same single mindedness, loving not the world or the things it offers? Do men say of these in fear "Those who have turned the entire world upside down have come here also!"? Do they marvel saying with astonishment "Look how they love one another!"?

We may want to examine our experience versus theirs. Why? Because we are told that to whom much is given, much is required. We are told that judgment will not begin in the world, but with His own.

God has more for us, much more. But to simply be content with an experience that does not translate into holiness of character, nor fruits of the Spirit that declares to the world "Christ lives here.", nor a burning passion for the souls of those who do not yet know Jesus should tell us that something is way off kilter in our understanding of things.

The question is.... what is it? Will we dig deep to find out what it is, or simply fall back on our experience as proof that there is no reason to be alarmed and that we are 'walking just fine, thank you very much'? How we respond to this question will determine far more than we know.

blessings,

Gideon

Great post, all valid points. I suppose, for some it's like Israel in the desert 40 yrs. saying "aww not manna again" - they have lived it very long time and became old. Perhaps is why the new saints entering in are far more hungry for the Lord.

We need to keep the oil in the lamps until his coming or will be as the ten virgins (the foolish one's).

 

[Truther]

Jesus was always looking forward to the birth of the New Testament plan of salvation, of which he says...

John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
[39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

and another scripture, looking forward...

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


After Jesus was glorified, we continue the narrative in the book of Acts...

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Can you also add for us the comparison study between John 3:8 and Acts 2:2 to this post, linking John 3:5 with Acts 2:38?

 

[user]

Can you also add for us the comparison study between John 3:8 and Acts 2:2 to this post, linking John 3:5 with Acts 2:38?

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[8] The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Jesus was talking about Born Again (born from above). He made a parallel between the natural and spiritual. Nicodemus thought natural, as he did not yet understand Jesus alluded to something that would come, the New Testament plan of salvation.

Since Jesus was using the analogy of birth, he further included the sound thereof which is for everyone that is born of the spirit.
The parallel is a baby is born here in the natural and cries, thereby we know LIFE has just BIRTHED forth. The same as we are born of the spirit we cry Abba father and magnify God speaking in tongues as the spirit gives the utterance.

This is the sound Jesus spoke of. In the spiritual realm there is a mighty rushing wind, in the natural we hear speaking in other tongues (and remember, this is for EVERYONE)...

Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.



Now Jesus said in John 3:5 "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Jesus was looking forward in time pointing to the New Testament plan of salvation, which Peter and all the apostle with him, gave in Acts 2...

[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

This was the fulfillment which Jesus had alluded to. This is the salvation which is forever settled in heaven. We are still the N.T. church, and this is how we are saved. Man has changed but God's plan has never changed.

Anyone with faith in Christ can have the New Birth and they too will enter into the kingdom speaking in tongues, magnifying God because we have the promise...

Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

God has not stopped calling.

 

[Truther]

The prophecy of Jesus...


[8] The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit....


The fulfillment of the prophecy of Jesus...

Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.



The way into the prophecy of Jesus for everyone at Pentecost, pertaining to John 3:5-8...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.



When Jesus told Nicodemus that they must be born AGAIN of water AND Spirit, he was speaking of the future Acts 2 experience and obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins....Spirit birth AND water baptismal birth.

 

[Truther]

Acts skippers refuse to realize that John 3:5-8 was prophetic by Jesus as was all futuristic prophecy.

 

[theefaith]

Acts skippers refuse to realize that John 3:5-8 was prophetic by Jesus as was all futuristic prophecy.

Why did they immediately go to the river (water) and baptize?

 

[theefaith]

Acts skippers refuse to realize that John 3:5-8 was prophetic by Jesus as was all futuristic prophecy.

nobody skips acts we just know what really means

 

[Truther]

Why did they immediately go to the river (water) and baptize?

Who?

 

[Truther]

nobody skips acts we just know what really means

What does Acts 2:38 "really" mean, other than what we read plainly?

Please elaborate on it.

 

[theefaith]

Who?

no not a rock and roll band but christ and the apostles

 

[theefaith]

What does Acts 2:38 "really" mean, other than what we read plainly?

Please elaborate on it.

there is a command made in the name of Jesus and an instruction to be baptized in the way Christ commanded in Matt 28:19

 

[Truther]

no not a rock and roll band but christ and the apostles