Having no sin is Post-Resurrection Perfectionism

[robert derrick]

The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?

While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.

The admonition is not to think within our selves, nor to say by our own power, that we have no more sin to fight, and so have no more temptation to endure.

Post-resurrection perfectionism is having no unrighteous, unclean, sinful, or unkind thought whatsoever, so as not even to enter into the mind.

The commandment and law of Christ on earth is not such perfectionism, which is impossible in corruptible natural flesh and bones.

The law of Christ to His saints, is simply not to take thought for them, nor to dwell upon them so as to lust by them after the flesh.

Being pure in heart with Jesus is simply not having lust for sin in the heart, which does not mean having no sinful thought of the devil whatsoever to enter the mind, Those are the fiery darts of the wicked that certainly will come day to day to test the endurance of the saints.

The birds will certainly fly overhead to eat of our sacrifice to Christ, but like Abraham of old, we chase them all away and do not allow them to nest in our souls.

So long as we are alive and remaining on earth, there will be passing thoughts of unrighteousness, Which is not sinning against Christ.

But, Lusting for them to do them with the flesh, that is committing sin already within the heart.

Them who say they have no sin and are deluding themselves, are the perfectionists that are saying they no longer have so much as a thought for sin entering their mind, and so no longer need endure temptation and fight the good fight of purity in the faith.

They act as though the resurrection is passed for them, and in their pride they themselves are cast down from God's presence:

Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Jesus is not a perfectionist in this life, nor is His law one of commanding post-resurrection perfectionism in the mind and spirit of His people on earth.

 

[robert derrick]

No man can say he has not sinned, which is to say he is a christ, and no man ought say he will not sin, which is saying he has no sin to resist from the devil.

Jesus never said I will not sin, because He knew so long as in mortal flesh, all men are tempted to sin by unrighteous thoughts of the world entering the mind, to test the faith of God in them.

But, the pure in heart saints in Christ Jesus can gladly say as Jesus, they are not sinning with the devil in spirit nor body, not now today.

Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

The pure in heart ought not say they have no sin to fight, nor will have temptation tomorrow, but they can certainly say the truth, that they are not sinning against God and the Father now, even as Jesus did in His day on earth.

And whether sinners believe Jesus' flesh and bones today or not, even as they did not believe Jesus Himself, is nothing to take thought for.

Sinners who want to go on sinning today and justify themselves in it, don't want to believe anything pure nor good nor righteous about others.

Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

 

[MatthewG]

You can abide in the Lord Jesus Christ by the Spirit - and through Him have no sinful thought or whatever, however sometimes we come back to the flesh and sinful thoughts occur.

What are some of your weaknesses?

Pretty women is one for me, but I do not try to have lust to wanna have sex with them...

Sometimes I get very annoyed by others and how they act, but have to turn and set my eyes on Christ, even ask God for help in the spirit.

• Luke 11:13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
• James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. 6 But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.

Paul also talks about the Spirit vs the Flesh in his own life, that they fight each other, and now today considering Jesus had came back and got the bride and established the kingdom, we still struggle with the Spirit and the flesh, even in faith in the Lord, and that is why one needs to seek to look towards God, and Jesus.

• Galatians 5:16-26
• 16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
• 19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
• 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

 

[MatthewG]

Arent we to share with each other

Our burdens?

• Carry One Another’s Burdens Galatians 6
• 1Brothers, if someone is caught in a trespass, you who are spiritual should restore him with a spirit of gentleness. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.

• 2Carry one another’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

• 3If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.

• 4Each one should test his own work. Then he will have reason to boast in himself alone, and not in someone else.

• 5For each one should carry his own load.

• 6Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word must share in all good things with his instructor.

• 7Do not be deceived: God is not to be mocked. Whatever a man sows, he will reap in return.

• 8The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; but the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life

• .9Let us not grow weary in well-doing, for in due time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

• 10Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to the family of faith.

 

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So long as we are alive and remaining on earth, there will be passing thoughts of unrighteousness, Which is not sinning against Christ.

Why are you so certain that the mind cannot be controlled in the Spirit? Can you not maintain righteousness in the mind for a single minute? Giving your mind and heart to Scripture, to a hymn, to prayer, to communing with God in the Holy Spirit, for a single minute, holding your mind fixed? Can you follow that minute of a righteous mind of Christ for another minute? Double that? Continue on?

We are commanded to trust Jesus, and love others, and I think this means to the exclusion of anything that's not these. All our thoughts are to be trust and love, and why cannot that be? I believe in His power we can be that.

Life in Christ is an expanding life that pushes everything else out of it's path, the mind of Christ so filling us that there remains no room for anything else. Should darkness and light each share a portion of our mind?

How better to avoid sin than to completely fill your mind with Christ?

We either live according to the Spirit, or according to flesh. If the thoughts in our minds are unrighteous, that is from flesh. We are admonished to overcome our flesh, and in fact are promised that we've been made free from it's power. Why not live as one freed?

Romans 6:11-13 KJV
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Much love!

 

[marks]

and so no longer need endure temptation and fight the good fight of purity in the faith.

You can endure temptation without unrighteousness in the mind by giving the right answer the first time. When the dentist says, "their all coming out", instead of fear, instead of anger, you can have trust, and you will have endured the temptation. The temptation is the contrary circumstance, which also (peirasmos) means to test. To test, to tempt, it's the same word.

We are tested when a contrary circumstance comes, perhaps a situation we find ourselves in, or some new physical condition, or what ever it may be. We are afflicted, and we respond. If we respond in trust and love, we show the genuineness of our faith. If we respond in some other way, fear, desire for evil things, anger, what ever it may be, this is the flesh promoting itself. And then we have to choose to not continue in the flesh, but instead to walk in the Spirit, trusting in Jesus, loving others.

That is the choice, not continue in the flesh. Because the mind of Christ does not think evil things. That's the mind of the flesh. If you are thinking about evil things - even to the point to then rejecting them - taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ - those thoughts are still coming from flesh, and we are to put that off - put off the old man - and put on the new man, who is created pattered after God Himself, in righteousness and true holiness. "True holiness" there means, as best I can determine, that God gives us exclusively for the godly benefit to others.

When we talk about sin and righteousness and judgment, I think we need to understand about the flesh, and the spirit, and the power of God to live a completely new life.

I think that walking in the Spirit is something we do by trusting in our reconciliation to God in Christ, and that this trust opens our hearts to trust Him in everything. I think that telling God's children they are rejected, not born again, if they commit sins, is incorrect, and discourages them. I think that if someone believes they MUST keep the Law, that this will actually provoke their flesh to sin.

Romans 7:5-6 KJV
5) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

I think are biggest difficulty in this life is remaining in a consistent trust in Jesus. By trusting in Jesus we can overcome all things, and can live in righteousness, even in the mind.

I see that level of faith as coming either through maturing in Christ - "til Christ be formed within you", or in a gift of faith. When the flesh goes silent, it's impossible to mistake, and it seems God gives that to some from time to time.

I believe He does that to show us that this life is possible. That we should press into it, reach out for it, the upward call of God in Christ.

Much love!

 

[robert derrick]

You can abide in the Lord Jesus Christ by the Spirit - and through Him have no sinful thought or whatever, however sometimes we come back to the flesh and sinful thoughts occur.

You are correct in that we are not always having to quench fiery darts of the devil, because he is not always shooting them at us particularly.

The error in you doctrine is that when he does fire a dart, and he certainly will from time to time while we are in the flesh, we have not 'come back to the flesh.'

It is only that we are still in mortal flesh on earth, and so we will always have the good fight of casting down and chasing away those fiery darts.

Abraham chased away the birds from his sacrifice to the Lord for an evening of time, not all the time.

The dead old man with crucified members on our own cross is our sacrifice to Jesus, and the fiery darts are sent from the devil to awaken him to lust and sin once again, but we being new creatures in Christ Jesus have quickened spirits and renewed minds to quench them at the door, DOA.

And so, It is only if we allow them to be lusted after, that we would be 'coming back to the flesh' to reawaken the old man, which is once again to be walking after the flesh.

Anyone lusting for the flesh in the heart is now walking after the flesh and separating themselves from the love and fellowship of the Spirit within with Jesus.

The inperfectionism of having a sinful thought arise to cast down, is not sinning, but only is the manifestation of the lifetime burden of still being in mortal flesh, which the pure in heart groan to finally be rid of once for all in death of the body:

For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

The pure in heart groan with the burden of having to still fight and run against and cast down and resist the devil with his snares and roarings and deceptions and unrighteous thoughts, with the but also with the sure hope of attaining to the resurrection of the just, where the mortal flesh is swallowed in immortality.

But them who fight not unto the end, but receive them to lust walking in the flesh, shall be found transgressors and naked and resurrected unto shame, not eternal life.

The righteous saints dwelling in the Light with Jesus are not perfected in mind and body, but they are single-eyed and perfectly whole in faith and love for Him more than for pleasures of lust and sinning.

And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart.

 

[robert derrick]

Why are you so certain that the mind cannot be controlled in the Spirit? Can you not maintain righteousness in the mind for a single minute? Giving your mind and heart to Scripture, to a hymn, to prayer, to communing with God in the Holy Spirit, for a single minute, holding your mind fixed? Can you follow that minute of a righteous mind of Christ for another minute? Double that? Continue on?

True. The battle is not at all times, but the purity remains so, as long as we endure temptation to lust and do not do so.

Those who say they have no more sin to fight on earth, with never an unrighteous thought to overcome, are the ones deceiving themselves as though the resurrection has already past.

We either live according to the Spirit, or according to flesh.

True. No man can be doing both at the same time.

And to be walking after the Spirit at times and after the flesh at times, is the Romans 7 wretched double heartedness we repent of, that we may go on to no more condemnation in the flesh of Romans 8.

If the thoughts in our minds are unrighteous, that is from flesh. We are admonished to overcome our flesh, and in fact are promised that we've been made free from it's power. Why not live as one freed?

Unrighteous thoughts are not from the mortal flesh, but from the devil upon our unperfected minds, to tempt us to lust for and sin with the flesh.

Corruptible flesh is mortal and degrades with time, not sinful and degenerate itself, The mortal body is neither the source of sinning nor any blame for sinning.

 

[robert derrick]

You can endure temptation without unrighteousness in the mind by giving the right answer the first time.

True. The right answer at any time is casting such unrighteous thoughts down and out at the time, and not recieve them into the heart to lust with them.

Lustful sinning only begins when unrighteous thoughts are not rejected.

If we respond in some other way, fear, desire for evil things, anger, what ever it may be, this is the flesh promoting itself. And then we have to choose to not continue in the flesh, but instead to walk in the Spirit, trusting in Jesus, loving others.

Responding with thoughts of fear or anger is not sinning, That would be the perfectionism law and not of Christ.

If we respond to such thoughts to receive them into the heart to do them, only then are we transgressing the law of the Spirit, and working against our own fellowship with Jesus in the Light.

Jesus was most angry when He whipped them out of the temple, and sinned not.

Neither Jesus as a man, nor Jesus' flesh and bones today are new age gurus spiriting around on wings of butterflies, with ner an unloving nor unnice thought to have.

Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath.

That is the choice, not continue in the flesh. Because the mind of Christ does not think evil things.

Scripture teaches two ways of being 'in the flesh', naturally as with all men, including Jesus in the days of His flesh, but also spiritually by being sinfully into the flesh, to be minding the flesh, and not the Spirit.

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

The perfected mind of the resurrected Christ, and any resurrected in His likeness bodily, will no more have any ungodly thought.

Until then, both the man Jesus and them of His flesh and bones today, will certainly have such thoughts appear in our renewed, yet unperfected minds. But in Christ with Jesus, we don't have to take such thoughts from the devil to lust with him anymore:

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

That's the mind of the flesh.

False. That's the mind of the spirit of man. Flesh and blood has no mind of it's own, but rather the spirit of a man can mind the things of the flesh, to obey lusting with the flesh.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

The mortal body has no mind nor will of its own, and is only taught by them who do not make right difference between being in mortal flesh, and being into the flesh sinfully.

The soul sins with the flesh. The body does not sin of itself, nor has sin of its own to tempt the soul. The devil is the tempter, not the flesh.

If you are thinking about evil things - even to the point to then rejecting them - taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ -

If evil thoughts appear in our renewed minds, and we reject them out of hand as Jesus did, then we are overcoming, even as He overcame in the days of His flesh.

Evil thoughts appearing is not taking thought for evil things and thinking about them to do them.

those thoughts are still coming from flesh,

False. No thoughts come from grass of any field nor flesh of any creature, but only from spiritual beings with thought, intent, and imagination of the heart.

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Hearts of men have thoughts, not joints and marrow and flesh and bone of the mortal bodies of any living creature naturally born on earth.

 

[robert derrick]

and we are to put that off - put off the old man - and put on the new man, who is created pattered after God Himself, in

The old man is the old sinning soul, that was sinning of old with lust from a corrupt heart.

The soul born of God is spiritual, and the body born of woman is natural. It is the carnal mind of the spirit of man, that lusts for the things of the natural world to corrupt them.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

All souls are created by Christ the same in the beginning, even as Adam and Eve, without sinning and pure.

Not until a man sins with the flesh is he separating himself from Christ, which all men have done from their youth, except Jesus.

"True holiness" there means, as best I can determine, that God gives us exclusively for the godly benefit to others.

True. True holiness of life begins with purity of heart, so that we do love one another by behaving themselves holily, righteously, and unblameably in word and deed.

We keep ourselves pure-hearted in righteousness and true holiness by enduring temptation and rejecting thoughts to do otherwise, and not allow lust to corrupt us once again:

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

 

[robert derrick]

I think that walking in the Spirit is something we do by trusting in our reconciliation to God in Christ, and that this trust opens our hearts to trust Him in everything. I think that telling God's children they are rejected, not born again, if they commit sins, is incorrect, and discourages them.

And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Christ 'discourages' sinning by any man, and especially His people from sinning, so as not to separate themselves from Him, His presence, and His fellowship.

And preachers of righteousness do the same for all believers, which is called serving Christ and not pleasing men.

Having unrighteous thoughts appear in the mind is not sinning, but lusting to do them is committing sin of the devil.

Babes in Christ are only discouraged by having a sinful thought appear in their renewed minds, if they believe the lie of the devil that such thoughts of unperfected minds are committing sin.

When they learn the truth that such thoughts are to be expected while yet in mortal flesh, then they know to fight the good fight of faith in Christ and resist them as of the devil, even as Jesus did in all the days of His flesh.

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

And so, commanding to keep the law of Christ and His Spirit, so that we MUST obey Him to abide with Him, is evil temptation to sin against Him.

Christ tempts man to sin against Him, but commanding men to do His law and not sin with the devil.

Let no man preach doing the righteousness of the Lord, even as He is righteous, let we tempt His people to do unrighteousness with the devil.

This is the absurd conclusion of them that say it is impossible to do so, because they preach a law of perfectionism for the renewed mind in Christ.

Only the carnal minded given to lusting for the flesh, think of the law as some evil thing they MUST keep, and not a good thing they do love to do with a pure heart in the Lord.

I hate vain thoughts: but thy law do I love.

This is Scripture prophesying the blessedness Jesus Christ brings to every soul, heart, and mind of them that love Him, to love the law of His Spirit to do it, and to gladly and freely cast down every vain thought of the devil to lust and sin against God.

Those who only keep the letter outwardly, without the faith and Spirit of Christ within a pure heart, are not justified by Christ, but those transgressing His law in spirit and body are not in Christ at all, but are walking after the flesh like all unrighteous sinners of the world.

Only the rebellious are offended and discouraged at being commanded to keep the law of Christ.

Or, it is those who have been taught to think post-resurrected perfectionism of the mind, as being the law of Christ, are so are made discouraged with certain defeat from the outset.

I have not sinned, whensoever any unrighteous thought appears in my mind, neither have I transgressed the law of the Spirit in Christ Jesus.

And any lawmaker saying so, is a false prophet and teacher of a false law and christ.

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

It's the same ones who say it's the flesh's fault for being 'imperfect' in our minds, who then go on to equate that imperfection with being lustful in the heart.

They first preach perfection of the mind for law of Christ, which is impossible to keep, and so then go on to preach not having a perfect heart with Christ in this life.

 

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Christ 'discourages' sinning by any man, and especially His people from sinning,

Indeed He does, and provides that we might not sin, and provides for us should we sin.

1 John 2:1-2 KJV
1) My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Let us live righteous lives that give honor to our Lord.

Much love!

 

[Robert Gwin]

The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?

While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.

The admonition is not to think within our selves, nor to say by our own power, that we have no more sin to fight, and so have no more temptation to endure.

Post-resurrection perfectionism is having no unrighteous, unclean, sinful, or unkind thought whatsoever, so as not even to enter into the mind.

The commandment and law of Christ on earth is not such perfectionism, which is impossible in corruptible natural flesh and bones.

The law of Christ to His saints, is simply not to take thought for them, nor to dwell upon them so as to lust by them after the flesh.

Being pure in heart with Jesus is simply not having lust for sin in the heart, which does not mean having no sinful thought of the devil whatsoever to enter the mind, Those are the fiery darts of the wicked that certainly will come day to day to test the endurance of the saints.

The birds will certainly fly overhead to eat of our sacrifice to Christ, but like Abraham of old, we chase them all away and do not allow them to nest in our souls.

So long as we are alive and remaining on earth, there will be passing thoughts of unrighteousness, Which is not sinning against Christ.

But, Lusting for them to do them with the flesh, that is committing sin already within the heart.

Them who say they have no sin and are deluding themselves, are the perfectionists that are saying they no longer have so much as a thought for sin entering their mind, and so no longer need endure temptation and fight the good fight of purity in the faith.

They act as though the resurrection is passed for them, and in their pride they themselves are cast down from God's presence:

Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Jesus is not a perfectionist in this life, nor is His law one of commanding post-resurrection perfectionism in the mind and spirit of His people on earth.

All humans will be equivalent to Adam (perfect) when Jesus hands the Kingdom back to Jehovah sir. That is at the end of his millennial reign.

 

[robert derrick]

All humans will be equivalent to Adam (perfect) when Jesus hands the Kingdom back to Jehovah sir. That is at the end of his millennial reign.

That would be the JW 'Hope of Adam' Project.

All those in Christ now are pure hearted with clean hands and conscience as Adam and Eve without transgression.

The mark and prize is Jesus, not Adam nor Eve, especially not after the sinned against God.

Jut spirits made perfect in mind and body, as well as in heart and soul, is for all the righteous blessed in the first resurrection.

All the natural born during His reign will be blessed for the first time on earth with righteous government for all, where there is brighter life and the lion lays down with the lamb.

 

[robert derrick]

The law of Christ taught as post-resurrection perfectionism, is added to the false doctrine of a christ creating and making man with a sin nature or spirit. The end of that law is for unrighteousness of imperfectly created beings, which is of course not by the true Christ Jesus.

The end result is self-justification as 'imperfect' beings, for transgressing the righteous law of Christ with the devil.

Once someone believes that imperfectionism of the mind is a sin against God, then they will conclude it is impossible to keep the commandments of the Lord as written and so fulfill the law of Christ for righteousness and true holiness.

They judge any imperfect thought as though it were lusting of the heart for sins of the flesh, and so by imperfect thinking all men a created unrighteous sinners for life.

 

[robert derrick]

Temptation of the devil are the fiery darts of any thoughts that do not honor the Lord.

Our warfare therefore is to resist the devil and reject them as unworthy of Christ, and so cast them down to the dirt they came from.

Jesus was tempted in all points such as we, and so neither did He as a man have a perfected post-resurrection mind, because the tempter himself spoke into his mind to sin against God and His word, even as the devil does with His flesh and bones to day.

Jesus' own mind as a man was not perfected, for there did appear in his mind thoughts of temptation to sin against God:

And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

The devil never ever has bodily form to speak with men, but speak directly to the imperfected minds of men, which are to be rejected and cast down daily by godly men of Christ Jesus.

Jesus as a man had every unrighteous thought of the devil to ever appear in the minds of men, yet without sin, for He cast them down every time at all times, especially at the garden, where he sweated blood in prayer to reject the devil's thought to let the cross pass.

 

[robert derrick]

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

This Scripture proves it is not a sin to have an imperfect or dishonorable thought in the renewed mind of Christ.

Such thoughts are the temptations from the devil, spoken into the minds of men to sin against God, but only them receiving them to lust for the flesh will do so.

Since Jesus was tempted in all points such as we, yet without sin, then it is not a sin to be tempted with any fiery dart of the devil shot into our renewed clean minds of Christ.

The born again sons of God are the very flesh and bones of the Lord Jesus on earth today, and like Himself as a man, we now have pure hearts and clean minds and hands, not perfected minds and bodies of the resurrection from the dead.

 

[robert derrick]

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The word of God is truly perfect in all His ways, to undo and destroy every false teaching of man, that sets itself against the righteousness and true holiness of Christ within His body on earth, so that there is no excuse for not doing so by help of His grace and power and Spirit of holiness.

The Scripture does not say we will have our minds preserved blameless while yet on earth.

Our spirit and soul and bodies are preserved whole and blameless, but not our minds.

It is our imperfect minds that will have thoughts appear in them, that are indeed to be blamed with the devil that sends them.

We are to be perfectly whole in heart and spirit and body without transgression against Christ, not perfect in mind.

Being perfect as our Father in heaven, even as His Son on earth, is not to be perfect in mind, but only in spirit and soul and body.

There is no excuse for lusting with the heart to sin against God with the flesh, due to being imperfect in mind.

The law of perfectionism that condemns any appearance of unholy thought within the mind, is the law of a false christ made for a cursed gospel.

It is the law of sin and death that the devil teaches, to unjustly condemn men in the flesh as sinning, because the devil's dart appeared at the doorway of the heart.

"See there! You had a bad thought!! You sinner!! You're a devil just like me!!"

Wrong answer, and I openly reject any such bogus christ who says so.

Which by the way happens to be the same christ, that only covers lusting, fornication, vile cursings, and drunkenness, but does not take it away from the heart.

The same filthy christ that preaches we are all depraved unrighteous sinners, because our minds are only renewed, and not yet perfected as in the resurrection.

 

[robert derrick]

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The word of God is truly perfect in all His ways, to undo and destroy every false teaching of man, that sets itself against the righteousness and true holiness of Christ within His body on earth, so that there is no excuse for not doing so by help of His grace and power and Spirit of holiness.

The Scripture does not say we will have our minds preserved blameless while yet on earth.

Our spirit and soul and bodies are preserved whole and blameless, but not our minds.

It is our imperfect minds that will have thoughts appear in them, that are indeed to be blamed with the devil that sends them.

We are to be perfectly whole in heart and spirit and body without transgression against Christ, not perfect in mind.

Being perfect as our Father in heaven, even as His Son on earth, is not to be perfect in mind, but only in spirit and soul and body.

There is no excuse for lusting with the heart to sin against God with the flesh, due to being imperfect in mind.

The law of perfectionism that condemns any appearance of unholy thought within the mind, is the law of a false christ made for a cursed gospel.

It is the perfectionist law that the devil teaches, to unjustly condemn men in the flesh as sinning, because the devil's dart appeared at the doorway of the heart.

"See there! You had a bad thought!! You sinner!! You're a devil just like me!!"

Wrong answer, and I openly reject any such bogus christ who says so.

Which by the way happens to be the same christ, that only covers lusting, fornication, vile cursings, and drunkenness, but does not take it away from the heart.

The same filthy christ that preaches we are all depraved unrighteous sinners, because our minds are only renewed, and not yet perfected as in the resurrection.

 

[robert derrick]

For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens.

How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

Jesus was not a perfectionist, neither does His body today seek it.

Doing good is not doing perfect, and them that make no difference between good and perfectionism, are also them that make no difference between doing good and evil, because they call the good evil, when the good ever has an imperfect thought, and they excuse the evil as just the same imperfection.