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THE UNCLEAN SPIRIT LIKE FROGS

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet Rev 16:13

These “unclean spirits like frogs” are “the spirits of devils” (or in Gk. demons). In the New Testament demons or devils are associated with mental instability, insanity – Hence we may understand the basic idea that a spirit of madness is to go forth to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them in opposition to God Almighty (See Jer 51:7).

We may further note that the word “spirit” means a force, and by extension can relate to a disposition of mind (eg. Eph 4:23). In 1 John 4:1 “spirit” is associated with teachings (that which affects or influences the mind) - and that would seem to be the idea in Rev 16:13 where the spirits come “out of the mouth”. Teachings, doctrines and policies come out of a mouthpiece - and this is what we see here.

“like frogs” - In seeking a Scriptural key for this sign, we can only go to Exodus 8. It is the only incident where frogs occur in the whole of the Bible. What can we learn from this plague of frogs that will help us to understand that insane philosophy or teaching that will lead the nations of the world into Armageddon?

What did the plague of frogs accomplish? At first glance we may think that they accomplished very little beyond a nuisance and a bad smell. But if the account be read carefully it may be noted that as a result of this plague - and for the first time, Pharaoh promises liberty:

“Entreat the Lord, that he may take away the frogs from me, and from my people; and I will let the people go, that they may do sacrifice unto the Lord.” (Exod 8:8)
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So as a result of the frogs we can see a promise of liberty; even of religious liberty to the Jewish people - but it was a false promise.

But this is not all that we learn. A comment upon the plagues in Psalm 78 mentions “frogs, which destroyed them” (Psa 78:45). The trouble here is that the frogs did not “destroy” them. The Hebrew word here translated “destroyed” is schachath; to cause decay or ruin; to corrupt.

The frogs may have contributed to the ruin of Egypt, but the Psalmist has more than that in mind - for this Psalm is a parable (Psa 78:2). The same word is used in Exod 32:7 for example, and refers to moral corruption. Such an idea is very well suited to a teaching or philosophy which is to gather peoples in opposition to Almighty God.

A Godless Spirit - As we piece together the clues that are provided in the symbolism of the passage under review it is difficult to ignore the growing links with those philosophical teachings that found political expression in the French Revolution. It was indeed a spirit of madness - it was utterly godless. It was an unclean spirit or teaching that would corrupt not only the French nation, but in time the whole of the world. From this source would come the atheistic teaching of the theory of evolution and the consequent denial of creation. It would teach liberty, only to produce a Reign of Terror. It was a spirit that originated in human wisdom and of which James wrote:

“This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, demoniacal. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work” (James 3:15-16)
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James uses the Greek word akatastasia, translated “confusion” but which Vine renders revolution or anarchy! The words are important. This “demoniacal” wisdom of which James speaks is the basis of that godless and insane philosophy that will gather the nations to Armageddon. It was a philosophy brought forth like an abundance of frogs which entered into the chambers of all the kings of Europe, which spiritually is called Egypt (Psa 105:30).

It promised liberty, but it brought moral and spiritual corruption (cp. 2 Pet 2:19).

This spirit has swept all before it. No philosophy or religious creed has withstood it. It has brought vast changes to the world through education, political emancipation and apparent freedoms. Today we see it in women’s rights, gay rights and rights for every other moral perversion. It is madness, it is wickedness - and it is extremely powerful.

Jesus has warned us about this spirit and he has told us what it is accomplishing. His message to us is “watch”. It is the spirit of our age and we are to overcome it through faith and patience.

Even so come Lord Jesus

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It all began with Nimrod

As with all subjects in the Bible, we always begin in Genesis. The beginning of the Kingdom of Men was Nimrod’s Babylon. His Kingdom began with the voice of the people. His kingdom was democratic & humanistic. His Kingdom was based on 3 fundamental principles:

1. FRATERNITY: “Go let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.” (Gen 10:4)

2. EQUALITY: “And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language…” (Gen 10:6)

3. LIBERTY: “…and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.” (Gen 10:6)

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libert%C3%A9,_%C3%A9galit%C3%A9,_fraternit%C3%A9

Our world is just like this today.

We see these principles being advocated in our democratic and humanistic society. They are reflected in many of the popular songs from the past 30 years, for example:​
  • “I’m free… - to do what I want - any old time.”
  • “Do what you want to do, be what you want to be, yeah”
  • “WE are the world, WE are the children, WE are the ones who are going to make a better day…”
  • And many others…
These principles are now even advocated by the governments of Russia, Europe and the Papacy to prepare the nations for the great day of God Almighty.

What a wonderful thing democracy is! What a fragile concept it is! The same frog-like concept is seen in the feet of Nebuchadnezzar’s image - the clay (Dan 2:33-44).

It’s brittle, it’s fragile and it’s very temporary
 

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FROGS – a fitting symbol for the flesh and humanism

THESE UNCLEAN SPIRITS are said to be “Like frogs”

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Frogs croak all night long! – Why?

THE NEED TO MATE – Sexual promiscuity is rife in the world and only getting worse!

(LUST OF THE FLESH) 1 John 2:16

They have huge eyes – the largest for its size of any animal in the world!

(LUST OF THE EYES) 1 John 2:16

Frogs puff themselves up

(THE PRIDE OF LIFE) 1 John 2:16

The frog is a perfect symbol for flesh!

Did you know the frog has the biggest mouth of any creature proportionate to its size? These three Frog like spirits have moved their way throughout every corner of the earth, and they are getting louder! The frog has the ability to croak so loud that it can be heard of 1 ½ kilometres away.

Did you also know the Frog never sleeps – the flesh is always at work in the frog! The frog is also known to be poisonous and its skin is able to adapt to different environments, it has camouflage! Jer 17:9 (who can know it?)

But what stands out about the frog is how it likes to dwell in mud!!!

I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay (mud), and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings. (Psa 40:2 KJV)

God has provided us powerful signs and wonders spanning some 200 years (French revolution 1789–1799) to reveal the frog like spirits working in the earth prior to the advent of Jesus Christ.

Can you hear the Spirit of Fraternity, equality and Liberty crocking out these mad spirits: Immoral teachings, gay rights, mixed marriages, woman priests, human rights, feminism, “your number one and don’t let anyone tell you differently”, selfishness, false doctrines, charismatic movements that see unity being more important than belief, infant baptisms, sex before marriage, fashion, careers, Mammon and so on.

1000’s of these false mixed messages are being sent to your brain every day - through media.

Ribbit – Ribbit....how do you block out their sound?

Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
 

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I don't see the fulfillment as ancient, or current, but rather future. And for me, any determination as to the significance is yet to be revealed.


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The eventual fulfillment of Rev 16:13 is past, present and future. The spirits are gathering Kings and Nations toward a day of battle.

Biblescribe, that work bagan 200 years and is working today. It would do you well to study Nepolians campaigns and their affect on the world. The revolutions of 1789, 1830, and 1848; the wars of Napoleon 1; the intrigues and diplomatic wars of Napoleon 111; and later colonial enterprises and their resultant 'crises'; are the result of the influences of the 'frog-like spirits'.

Now we are told the humanistic doctrines will come out of the "mouths" of the Dragon, The Beast and the False Prophet.

Maybe this chart might help you better understand how these spirits have been working.
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Number of nations 1800–2003 scoring 8 or higher on Polity scale, another widely used measure of democracy.

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Equality, Franternity and Liberty (the pillars of democracy) are sweeping across the world and one only needs to see the affects of democarcy on Arab countries these past 18 months to see them working in preparation for a great dictator - Jesus Christ
 

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1. Today most of the Nations Charters of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the "rights" and "freedoms" set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.​
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2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:​
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(a) freedom of conscience and religion;​
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;​
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.

These are totally contrary the teaching of Paul in 1 Cor 6:20

For you are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

This is one manifestation of the froglike spirits in the earth.

What will man do to man to protect such freedom? And how have these teachings crept into Christianity?​
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Any avid Bible student would need to be blind to not see the weakening affects of these spirits at work in the world. The world today is universally affected in all parts by a philosophical and political spirit which will ultimately bring about its ruin, were it not for the intervention of Yahweh through His Son.
 

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These Spirit's (thinking) like frogs are evident in the earth and seen in some very well-known scriptures. They have always been in the earth, but concentrated through governance in these last days for preparation for war.

“In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.” Judges 17:6

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Prov 14:12

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matt 7:13-14

The reality of Christendom today has become apparent. Because its views have become subject to the majority.

Truth has been lost.

And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. 1 Sam 8:7

And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice 1 Sam 15:24

Warning: It is not possible to live a ‘Christian’ life and be involved in the politics of a Democracy.

But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness (frog like) and despise government. Presumptuous are they, self-willed, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 2 Peter 2:10

For out of religions, nations, and peoples will come flattering words of liberty, equality and fraternity.

The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things: Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us? Psalm 12:3-4

It is the latter-day Sixth Vial manifestation of the spirit "which worketh in the children of disobedience" (Eph. 2:2) that we are seeing this age breakdown before our very eyes.


I hope you are looking up Luke 21:28


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"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet".
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Mentioned only once for our age the verses that follow reveal the significant influence of these frog spirits in bringing the nations of the earth to "the battle of that great day of God Almighty", called "Armageddon" (Rev. 16:14-16).
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Knowing they are at work now in the Nations we must ask how are they working?
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These Spirits of Madness will eventually cause the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies to gather together to make war against him (Jesus Christ) that then sits on the white horse, and against his army (Saints) (Rev 19:11,19;17:14).
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One may ask in what manner do these Spirits work in the Governments of the earth, their cabinets and ministers?
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How will they affect their policies and will the latter day saints be able to identify their madness!
 

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The Spirits like frogs have their origins in the Babylon Empire and being succeeded by three other empires which followed. These Spirits are now at work in the feet of Nebuchadnezzars image.

1. The head of gold, was illustrated by a LION; (Single Dictator)
2. The breast and arms of silver, by a BEAR; (Darius and Cyrus)
3. The belly and thighs of brass, by a LEOPARD; and, (Alexandra and his four Generals)
4. The legs, feet, and toes of iron, by a FOURTH BEAST WITH TEN HORNS" (Caesar and the senate)

The dissipation of power from that of Nebuchadnezzar, Medes, Persians, Grecian and the last 2000 years Rome would eventually be given to the peoples of the world.

We are not surprised to find the word democracy comes from the Greek word demos meaning people. The Greek philosopher, Aristotle, defined democracy as "a state in which free men and the poor being in the majority, are invested with the power of the state. The purest democracy is one which is so called from the equality which prevails in it; for this is what the law in the state directs; that the poor shall be in no greater subjection than the rich; nor supreme power lodged in either of these, but that both shall share it. For if liberty and equality, as some people suppose, are chiefly to be found in a democracy, it must consist in every department of government being equally open to all. As the people are the majority, and what they vote is law, it follows that such a state must be a democracy"

We find then that Democracy is a sharing of political power between the common people as governments deem all equal, with power vested in the majority.


The problem with democracy is the majority of the people are unenlightened by divine wisdom (they no longer know God), in their carnal capacity the express the desires of the flesh.


So are we surprised to see the anarchy today in London, Greece etc? Society are breaking down because the leadership has been weakened to allow the frog like thinking to influence the nations.


It is the "arrogant, impious and self-centred attitude of Nebuchadnezzar" now manifested by a democratic multitude.


So we find to the arrogant impious and self-centred character of Nebuchadnezzar is now revealed in and through the common people.


The below picture of the image really highlights the preparation of the frog likes spirits in the earth.

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Courtesy of omegatimes

The head was governed by one man who came to know God.


The feet are governed by many people who do not know God.
 

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I would suggest the picture highlights the ignorance of men.
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Very true.

The power from the golden head to the feet of iron and clay reveal how weak mankind has become when the latter day thinking like frogs (liberty, fraternity, Equality) spreads throughout the earth.

Of course we are already seeing their insanity in politics, human rights, faltering economies etc. Today in government many fall under the "rulers of the darkness of this world" (Eph. 6:12) who hold such frog like views on human rights philosophy, sex discrimination acts, equal opportunity acts, family law acts, divorce reforms, and all other democratic legislation is undermining the moral and social values of society today. They will continue to do so until the stone cut without hands smites this image in the earth.

While many Christians are distracted looking for goblins and demonic monsters, the earth is being overcome with insane thinking driving men and women to despair and godlessness.

One must ask exactly how will these frog like spirits bring governments to the valley of Judgement to battle and how will Israel be situated during this time? Zech 12:2

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Very true.

The power from the golden head to the feet of iron and clay reveal how weak mankind has become when the latter day thinking like frogs (liberty, fraternity, Equality) spreads throughout the earth.
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Let me be more clear. -- The individual who created that image has absolutely no clue as to what Scripture provides, and History fulfills. If he/she did, then the empire of Clay (feet) would have been presented as a distinct empire, instead of a sub-set. (Please note that Daniel 2:45 breaks the false 4a/4b doctrine by separating the Clay from the Iron, creating the 4,3,5,2,1, = FIVE world empire sequence.)

But when you have a history which includes the Clay as an empire which is NOT ROMAN, but is instead a distinct empire, please let me know. ;)


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Let me be more clear. -- The individual who created that image has absolutely no clue as to what Scripture provides, and History fulfills. If he/she did, then the empire of Clay (feet) would have been presented as a distinct empire, instead of a sub-set. (Please note that Daniel 2:45 breaks the false 4a/4b doctrine by separating the Clay from the Iron, creating the 4,3,5,2,1, = FIVE world empire sequence.)

But when you have a history which includes the Clay as an empire which is NOT ROMAN, but is instead a distinct empire, please let me know. ;)


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Oh dear

Only four beasts!
 

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However you would be right if you called the feet the fifth phase of the image having a continuation of the Iron legs in the feet reveals a part of the latter day manifestation of the image is Roman (RCC). Although as you can see it’s a divided empire broken up with strong and weak nations...while mingling with the peoples of the world.

Jesus understood the fourth part of the image and the appearance of the ten kings (Dan. 7:23,24) and the eleventh king who would "speak great words against the most High and wear out the saints" for "a time and times and the dividing of time" (Dan 7:25). He also would have known Daniel chapter 4 ("seven times") or chapter 8 ("two thousand three hundred days" Dan 8:14) that quite a long period of time would pass "unto the end" (Dan 7:26).

The time from the beginning of the Roman Empire through the legs and into the feet would be a long time coming. As we know some 2000 year onwards.

The apostle Paul knew the beast system would be manifested in the earth. The apostolic teachings of (2Thes. 2:15) reveal that the foundation doctrines established by himself and the other apostles would eventually be abandoned. Even in his own day he reported that many "seek their own [way], not the things of Christ" (Phil. 2:21).

So the 5[sup]th[/sup] phase will see the Roman Beast manifested ecclesiastically through the remnant of the Roman Empire (Iron) and it territory in the Earth.
 

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... having a continuation of the Iron legs in the feet reveals a part of the latter day manifestation of the image is Roman (RCC). ...


If what you say is correct then the Daniel 2:45 sequence would reflect that 4a/4b subset, -- i.e., iron, clay, bronze, silver, gold, -- but it doesn't. It separates the clay from proximity with the Iron to distinguish it as a FIFTH "divided" world empire, for which Daniel 7 provides that delineation of the three-superpowers and the "dreadful" United Nations.







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Please be aware that my responses to "Insight" is not intended to change his/her mind, but simply a refutation of a false doctrine.


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Biblescribe,

Lets see if we can find something to agree on shall we?

"Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the golden, broken to pieces together" Dan 2:35KJV

How do you understand the Lord’s citation of this passage in illustration of his own future work (Matt 21:43,44)?

Notice the use of the word together? It is significant! As it teaches that in "the latter days" (Dan 2:28) the Image must stand upon its feet.

In what form do you see it standing?

I believe the dream anticipates a latter-day development of a confederacy of the powers (as per Ezek. 38) which is to be founded on the territories of the nations symbolised by the image.

In your mind what territory is it?

I have placed a map of the Roman Empire for your consideration.

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Biblescribe,

Lets see if we can find something to agree on shall we?

"Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the golden, broken to pieces together" Dan 2:35KJV

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I have placed a map of the Roman Empire for your consideration.


I would observe that the Roman Empire is DEAD, and another (Italy) occupies that ancient geography. I would also observe that a "divided" empire is now in effect. And toward this, I would observe that history substantiates three superpower, and a "dreadful" one world government candidate in the United Nations.

Thus the Chapters of Daniel (2,7,8, & 11) and Revelation (13 & 17), Psalms (45), and Ezekiel (38) are in unison with History.


Let me ask you a simple concept. If Daniel 2:45 specifies FIVE world empires, and Daniel 7 identifies FOUR entities, -- and we know that FIVE ≠ FOUR --, then how do you explain the FOUR?

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I would observe that the Roman Empire is DEAD, and another (Italy) occupies that ancient geography. I would also observe that a "divided" empire is now in effect. And toward this, I would observe that history substantiates three superpower, and a "dreadful" one world government candidate in the United Nations.
Thus the Chapters of Daniel (2,7,8, & 11) and Revelation (13 & 17), Psalms (45), and Ezekiel (38) are in unison with History.
Let me ask you a simple concept. If Daniel 2:45 specifies FIVE world empires, and Daniel 7 identifies FOUR entities, -- and we know that FIVE ≠ FOUR --, then how do you explain the FOUR?
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You are very close in your understanding.

There are four (4) Gentile world powers represented by four (4) different metals (Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome) to successively dominate the world.

Now the clay is not referred to as a world power or is it represented by metal.

The symbol of clay speaks of the imperfect efforts of mankind to weld humanity into a strong alliance of unity and peace. Of course the Roman Empire is still with us today both ecclesiastically and broken into separate nations constituted under the EU.

Now we know the symbol of clay is commonly used for man (Job 33:6; Isa. 64:8; 1 Cor. 15:47), and has long been regarded as a communistic spirit of the flesh. (See Ezek 38)

Now if another metal was presented in the feet then you could present a 5[sup]th[/sup] beast or empire, however we are left to consider the broken state of Rome and the RCC who still reside within, if not around the whole world. She is the harlot with many daughters…so many it now appears one have lost count. (Rev 17)

Both the legs (Roman - into the EU) and the fourth beast take us to the the return of Christ.

No room in the prophecy for a 5th beast! But if you can find one please let me know!

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Daniel 2:45 (NKJV)
[sup]45[/sup] ... the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold ...
4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE


Like I said and now you have proved with your above numeric. Daniel 7:23 holds the Clay and Iron within the four Beast Empire/System. The Word presents it such a way to allow you no excuse in misrepresenting the fourth beast, or trying as some do to imagine a 5[sup]th[/sup] beast!


"Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth" Its clear from this verse the four beasts represent four kingdoms or empires, and match the four metals of the Image seen by Nebuchadnezzar, as in Daniel 2 – You are right to suggest a fifth phase in the feet of the image but the four beasts of Dan & and the Revelation speak to this fourth beast.

"Which shall be diverse from all kingdoms" So with this understanding we see the fourth beast in its final or latter-day manifestation is said to be diverse, or different, from the others.

In what way is it different?

Well as you rightly suggest this fourth beast is a confederacy of nations represented by the ten horns.

"And shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces"


Any historian worth their weight in books will know the Roman Empire developed into a world-power, far more extensive than those of earlier history. It was far more ruthless, brutal than those empires that went before it.


Now concerning the iron power of Rome, Daniel told Nebuchadnezzar:


"forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things; and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise" (i.e the other nations Dan. 2:40).

I will say it again - - No 5th Beast.

Maybe Biblescribe you could deal with Dan 7:24 and continue where I have left off?