Having no sin is Post-Resurrection Perfectionism

[Bob Estey]

The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?

While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.

The admonition is not to think within our selves, nor to say by our own power, that we have no more sin to fight, and so have no more temptation to endure.

Post-resurrection perfectionism is having no unrighteous, unclean, sinful, or unkind thought whatsoever, so as not even to enter into the mind.

The commandment and law of Christ on earth is not such perfectionism, which is impossible in corruptible natural flesh and bones.

The law of Christ to His saints, is simply not to take thought for them, nor to dwell upon them so as to lust by them after the flesh.

Being pure in heart with Jesus is simply not having lust for sin in the heart, which does not mean having no sinful thought of the devil whatsoever to enter the mind, Those are the fiery darts of the wicked that certainly will come day to day to test the endurance of the saints.

The birds will certainly fly overhead to eat of our sacrifice to Christ, but like Abraham of old, we chase them all away and do not allow them to nest in our souls.

So long as we are alive and remaining on earth, there will be passing thoughts of unrighteousness, Which is not sinning against Christ.

But, Lusting for them to do them with the flesh, that is committing sin already within the heart.

Them who say they have no sin and are deluding themselves, are the perfectionists that are saying they no longer have so much as a thought for sin entering their mind, and so no longer need endure temptation and fight the good fight of purity in the faith.

They act as though the resurrection is passed for them, and in their pride they themselves are cast down from God's presence:

Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Jesus is not a perfectionist in this life, nor is His law one of commanding post-resurrection perfectionism in the mind and spirit of His people on earth.

I think the objective is to repent of our sin - all of it. There are only a few commandments - I think we'll get it done.

 

[Robert Gwin]

That would be the JW 'Hope of Adam' Project.

All those in Christ now are pure hearted with clean hands and conscience as Adam and Eve without transgression.

The mark and prize is Jesus, not Adam nor Eve, especially not after the sinned against God.

Jut spirits made perfect in mind and body, as well as in heart and soul, is for all the righteous blessed in the first resurrection.

All the natural born during His reign will be blessed for the first time on earth with righteous government for all, where there is brighter life and the lion lays down with the lamb.

Actually those in Christ will be elevated above Adam and Eve Rob. They of course will never become Jesus, but as close as any human can get, as they will be his bride so to speak.

All of us will eventually become perfect, and those who reside on the earth will be equal to Adam when satan is released from his prison.

 

[robert derrick]

I think the objective is to repent of our sin - all of it. There are only a few commandments - I think we'll get it done.

True. When we are keeping the first great commandment, we are then free to easily keep all commandments of God and fulfill the law of Christ.

If we are not keeping the first great one, it is impossible to keep any other commandment and be justified by Christ.

 

[robert derrick]

Actually those in Christ will be elevated above Adam and Eve Rob.

You said equivalent to Adam (perfect), which of course is not true. Neither Adam nor Eve were perfect, because they had corrupted themselves in their minds, when the serpent tempted them to disobey God.

We, like Adam and Eve, and angels, are created perfect by Christ in the womb, though mortal in flesh, but our minds will not be perfected until the resurrection of the dead.

Until then, we can still have lies and unrighteous thoughts of the devil appear in our minds, to be rejected and cast down.

They of course will never become Jesus, but as close as any human can get, as they will be his bride so to speak.

His people are now His flesh and bones on earth, with purified souls, hearts, and minds, being forgiven of all past sinning, and not receiving temptation within the heart to sin against Him today.

All of us will eventually become perfect,

All pure in heart at the end will be made perfect in mind and spirit in the first resurrection of the dead bodies.

and those who reside on the earth will be equal to Adam when satan is released from his prison.

Equal in Adam's transgression.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

All babes are born equal to Adam and Eve, including Cain at birth, only with mortal bodies made from the flesh of the mother's womb, and not directly from the dust of the earth or the bone of Adam.

 

[Bob Estey]

True. When we are keeping the first great commandment, we are then free to easily keep all commandments of God and fulfill the law of Christ.

If we are not keeping the first great one, it is impossible to keep any other commandment and be justified by Christ.

Yes, that first one seems awfully important to me. I think the Lord wants us to keep both, though.

 

[Robert Gwin]

You said equivalent to Adam (perfect), which of course is not true. Neither Adam nor Eve were perfect, because they had corrupted themselves in their minds, when the serpent tempted them to disobey God.

We, like Adam and Eve, and angels, are created perfect by Christ in the womb, though mortal in flesh, but our minds will not be perfected until the resurrection of the dead.

Until then, we can still have lies and unrighteous thoughts of the devil appear in our minds, to be rejected and cast down.




His people are now His flesh and bones on earth, with purified souls, hearts, and minds, being forgiven of all past sinning, and not receiving temptation within the heart to sin against Him today.



All pure in heart at the end will be made perfect in mind and spirit in the first resurrection of the dead bodies.



Equal in Adam's transgression.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

All babes are born equal to Adam and Eve, including Cain at birth, only with mortal bodies made from the flesh of the mother's womb, and not directly from the dust of the earth or the bone of Adam.

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