Acts 20:28 and The Deity of Jesus Christ

[heartwashed]

What it says in Colossians 2:9, literally in the Greek, is, "In Jesus Christ is the completeness of Deity bodily as in heaven now". In verse 2, Paul says of Jesus Christ, "The Mystery of the God-Christ", or, "The God-Man". No where does it even hint in 2:9, that Jesus Christ is also God the Father and God the Son, it is you who is trying to force this meaing!

Of course you have to reject what the kjv says for your amateur concept of the Greek.

2Ti 4:3, For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

You may not be heaping to yourself a teacher here; but you certainly have itching ears.

I would say that you cannot trust the kjv to give you the unadulterated message of the word of God; but you will always have to read in the Greek or Hebrew to get the real scoop on what the Bible really says.

I, on the other hand, can and will trust the kjv; because I believe in the sovereignty, Omnipotence, and love of the Lord.

Also, we no longer have the original manuscripts in Greek and Hebrew; and therefore you cannot trust that whatever manuscript you are trusting in is actually accurate to the original manuscripts!

However, I can trust my kjv because I believe in the sovereignty, Omnipotence, and love of the Lord.

 

[heartwashed]

Eph. 4:10 is stating that Christ is not only the Creator, He is also the deliverer. Creator, Mediator, Deliverer.

Back up vs. 9. "He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth."

This is when Christ went to paradise (Luke 16) and released the Old Testament saints, they could now enter into heaven since Christ has paid the sin debt of man.

He has "fulfilled all things" as Creator, Mediator, Deliverer, and Saviour.

"now that He ascended" is Paul stating that all has been fulfilled in what He came to do.

Jesus Christ "IS" come in the flesh. Agree or disagree?

If you agree, then He cannot be ascended to fill all things except in the Person of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Charlie24]

Jesus Christ "IS" come in the flesh. Agree or disagree?

If you agree, then He cannot be ascended to fill all things except in the Person of the Holy Ghost.

Of Course He came in the flesh! And is now seated at the right hand of the Father as our Mediator, having finished all that He came to do to redeem man.

Paul is speaking in Eph. 4 of the gift of Christ in man's redemption!

 

[heartwashed]

Of Course He came in the flesh! And is now seated at the right hand of the Father as our Mediator, having finished all that He came to do to redeem man.

Paul is speaking in Eph. 4 of the gift of Christ in man's redemption!

No...do you agree that He "IS" (present tense) come in the flesh? according to the kjv's rendering?

 

[Charlie24]

No...do you agree that He "IS" (present tense) come in the flesh? according to the kjv's rendering?

"Is come in the flesh?" What do you mean by that?

I know that He "has" come in the flesh, past tense.

 

[heartwashed]

"Is come in the flesh?" What do you mean by that?

I know that He "has" come in the flesh, past tense.

You don't confess that Jesus Christ "IS" come in the flesh (1 John 4:1-3 (kjv), 2 John 1:7 (kjv))...

That He is a Man sitting on the right hand of the throne of God?

 

[Charlie24]

@heartwashed, are you a preterist?

 

[heartwashed]

@heartwashed, are you a preterist?

I don't think so.

 

[Charlie24]

Mortal fls

You don't confess that Jesus Christ "IS" come in the flesh (1 John 4:1-3 (kjv), 2 John 1:7 (kjv))...

That He is a Man sitting on the right hand of the throne of God?

Yes, Jesus is sitting on the right hand of God right now in the flesh.

Not mortal flesh, for mortal flesh cannot enter into heaven.

He is immortal flesh, the body in which He was resurrected, a glorified body.

 

[heartwashed]

Mortal fls


Yes, Jesus is sitting on the right hand of God right now in the flesh.

Not mortal flesh, for mortal flesh cannot enter into heaven.

He is immortal flesh, the body in which He was resurrected, a glorified body.

So, He is still a finite human being in heaven, correct? Albeit in a glorified body?

 

[Charlie24]

So, He is still a finite human being in heaven, correct? Albeit in a glorified body?

He is and forever more will be Man and God in His glorified body.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Of course you have to reject what the kjv says for your amateur concept of the Greek.

before you expose your foolishness here on Greek, check you facts!

θεότης, ητος, ἡ ⟦theótēs⟧ (Plut., Mor. 415bc οὕτως ἐκ μὲν ἀνθρώπων εἰς ἥρωας,
ἐκ δὲ ἡρώων εἰς δαίμονας αἱ βελτίονες ψυχαὶ τὴν μεταβολὴν λαμβάνουσιν. ἐκ δὲ
δαιμόνων ὀλίγαι μὲν ἔτι χρόνῳ πολλῷ δι’ ἀρετῆς καθαρθεῖσαι παντάπασι θεότητος
μετέσχον=so from humans into heroes and from heroes into demi-gods
the better souls undergo their transition; and from demi-gods, a few, after
a long period of purification, share totally in divinity; Lucian, Icarom. 9;
ApcSed 2:4 al.; Tat. 12, 4; 21, 2; Mel., Fgm. 6; Herm. Wr. 12, 1; 13, 7a; Proclus,
Theol. 137 p. 122, 5 al.; Cleopatra 62; 117; 137; οἱ αἱρετικοὶ διαφόρους εἰσάγοντες
θεότητας Did., Gen. 184, 28; θ. τοῦ Ἰησοῦ Orig., C. Cels. 2, 36, 17) the state of
being god, divine character/nature, deity, divinity, used as abstract noun
for θεός (Orig., C. Cels. 7, 25, 9): τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θ. the fullness of deity Col
2:9 (s. Nash s.v. θειότης). ἐπιζητεῖν περὶ τῆς θ. inquire concerning the deity
Hm 10, 1, 4; cp. 5f. δύναμις τῆς θ. power of the deity 11:5; πνεῦμα (τῆς) θ. 11:10,
14.—DELG s.v. θεός. TW. Sv

BDAG Greek Lexicon, page 400

 

[heartwashed]

before you expose your foolishness here on Greek, check you facts!

θεότης, ητος, ἡ ⟦theótēs⟧ (Plut., Mor. 415bc οὕτως ἐκ μὲν ἀνθρώπων εἰς ἥρωας,
ἐκ δὲ ἡρώων εἰς δαίμονας αἱ βελτίονες ψυχαὶ τὴν μεταβολὴν λαμβάνουσιν. ἐκ δὲ
δαιμόνων ὀλίγαι μὲν ἔτι χρόνῳ πολλῷ δι’ ἀρετῆς καθαρθεῖσαι παντάπασι θεότητος
μετέσχον=so from humans into heroes and from heroes into demi-gods
the better souls undergo their transition; and from demi-gods, a few, after
a long period of purification, share totally in divinity; Lucian, Icarom. 9;
ApcSed 2:4 al.; Tat. 12, 4; 21, 2; Mel., Fgm. 6; Herm. Wr. 12, 1; 13, 7a; Proclus,
Theol. 137 p. 122, 5 al.; Cleopatra 62; 117; 137; οἱ αἱρετικοὶ διαφόρους εἰσάγοντες
θεότητας Did., Gen. 184, 28; θ. τοῦ Ἰησοῦ Orig., C. Cels. 2, 36, 17) the state of
being god, divine character/nature, deity, divinity, used as abstract noun
for θεός (Orig., C. Cels. 7, 25, 9): τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θ. the fullness of deity Col
2:9 (s. Nash s.v. θειότης). ἐπιζητεῖν περὶ τῆς θ. inquire concerning the deity
Hm 10, 1, 4; cp. 5f. δύναμις τῆς θ. power of the deity 11:5; πνεῦμα (τῆς) θ. 11:10,
14.—DELG s.v. θεός. TW. Sv

BDAG Greek Lexicon, page 400

I'll go with the translation of "Godhead" in Colossians 2:9.

There is no need to reject the clear rendering of the kjv for someone's amateur rendering of what they think it says in the Greek.

I believe that the Hebrew and Greek scholars who translated the kjv were expert at what they were doing and that they translated Colossians 2:9 accurately.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

You don't confess that Jesus Christ "IS" come in the flesh (1 John 4:1-3 (kjv), 2 John 1:7 (kjv))...

That He is a Man sitting on the right hand of the throne of God?

more unbiblical rubbish!

You will keep on rejecting ALL the very CLEAR Scriptures that say that Jesus Christ is GOD, like is in John 1:1, 18; 8:24-25, 58; 20:28; Acts 20:28; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8-9; 2 Peter 1:1; Revelation 1:8, 17-18; 2:8; 5:13-14; 22:1-3; 22:13; etc, etc. And try to push your Unitarian heresy without ANY Bible support.

My OP on Acts 20:28 is very clear that Jesus Christ IS Almighty God, and you are still insisting in your humanistic nonsense!

 

[heartwashed]

He is and forever more will be Man and God in His glorified body.

So, He is a Man...and therefore finite / limited when it comes to Omnipresence.

However, He rose to fill all things; and this was in the Person of the Holy Ghost!

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

I'll go with the translation of "Godhead" in Colossians 2:9.

There is no need to reject the clear rendering of the kjv for someone's amateur rendering of what they think it says in the Greek.

I believe that the Hebrew and Greek scholars who translated the kjv were expert at what they were doing and that they translated Colossians 2:9 accurately.

And WHO really cares what you believe to be true, as your responses are very clear that you are DECEIVED by the LIES that you believe!

 

[heartwashed]

more unbiblical rubbish!

You will keep on rejecting ALL the very CLEAR Scriptures that say that Jesus Christ is GOD, like is in John 1:1, 18; 8:24-25, 58; 20:28; Acts 20:28; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8-9; 2 Peter 1:1; Revelation 1:8, 17-18; 2:8; 5:13-14; 22:1-3; 22:13; etc, etc. And try to push your Unitarian heresy without ANY Bible support.

My OP on Acts 20:28 is very clear that Jesus Christ IS Almighty God, and you are still insisting in your humanistic nonsense!

I am no Unitarian. I believe in the true Trinity.

 

[heartwashed]

And WHO really cares what you believe to be true, as your responses are very clear that you are DECEIVED by the LIES that you believe!

What is it about what I'm saying to you that ticks you off?

(because it is evident to me that I have ticked you off).

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

I am no Unitarian. I believe in the true Trinity.

More RUBBISH, your "trinity" is FALSE because you are trying to make the THREE DISTINCT PERSONS, into ONE! This is HERESY!

 

[heartwashed]

You will keep on rejecting ALL the very CLEAR Scriptures that say that Jesus Christ is GOD,

I accept all of the scriptures you have referenced and do also believe that Jesus Christ is God.