Is Jesus God Himself or God the Son??
For all of those who say that Jesus is God Himself or even God The Son, you first have to ask you self, Is God Capable of telling a lie?
Hebrews 6:18 “That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:”
Now John 1:1,14 are the two verses that are utilized in establishing that Jesus is God Himself.
Paul never once said that God called Jesus God. They use Hebrews 1:8 to establish this false fact…
Show me, in the Bible, where God ever told Jesus “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
Reading the new testament, there is no such place where God ever said that to Jesus.. David does make this statement in Psalms 45:6 when David wrote it praising God, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.”
Back to the capable of telling a lie…
Jesus said that he could do nothing of himself, yet you claim he is “God the Son” thereby God Himself…
Jesus said that he has not come to destroy the Laws or the Prophets, yet you claim he is God Himself and call him a liar if you do not keep the commandments of God as Jesus himself makes clear when he was asked directly what must be don to inherit eternal life…
If you loved Jesus at all, and claim him to be God Himself, then you would keep his commandments. John 14:15 “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”
Jesus never once said that he came down to do his own will, yet you claim him to be God Himself. John 6:38 “For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”
Jesus clearly says who God is to him and to others when he spoke to Mary after his resurrection. John 20:17 “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
Before that he made this statement explain that the one the Jews say is their God. John 8:54 “Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:”
False doctrine is false doctrine, the Bible does not teach a “Triune God anywhere in it.
I could list every single piece of scripture people use to establish Jesus as being God but, I won’t.
Before you post your scriptures make sure that they do not make Jesus nor God Himself out to be a liar.
I am sure that there will be a lot of you who will ignore what I have written, in fact I know you will. It will show in your defense of your False doctrine…
You will give me all kinds of theories of “How you believe the Bible says that Jesus is God Himself” but you will never not once Show me where the Bible explains how it is possible for God to tell a lie. Which will be ignored…
You claim that the Bible is God’s word, thereby calling God Himself a liar. John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Yet you ignore the very word of God…
Use Matthew-John to prove God is capable of telling a lie.. you cannot use You can use Peter, 1-3 John and James as well as they were with Jesus and were his disciples. Paul was not a disciple of Jesus did not walk with Jesus during his ministries on earth. And if you claim that Jesus spoke to him, Since you claim that Jesus is God Himself and that God only Speaks through Scripture, Remember Paul was on a road sleeping when he heard a voice and he looked up and seen him… Saul is commonly known as Paul… Acts 9:1-19, this tells the story of Paul’s Conversion and calling to preach…
According to the "Doctrine of the Trinity", it doesn't matter whom you refer to, you are always referring to God himself...
God is the The Father,
God is the Son,
God is the Holy Spirit.
John 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven not to do mine own will but the will of Him that sent me."
Whose will did God Himself come down from heaven to do, if not his own?
If you say that God the Son was doing the will of God the Father, you are still saying that God Himself was still doing his own will.
If you say that the Son was doing the will of the Father, you are still saying that God Himself was doing his own will....
The explanation of the Triune God/Doctrine of the Trinity, and yes the Doctrine of the trinity was developed by the Catholic church, the only thing Protestants, those who are not of the catholic church, did was remove "This is the Catholic Faith" and "So the Catholic religion" from the doctrine... other than that it is all the same and even the oneness believers utilize this same explanation in whole or in part..
"The Father is uncreated,
the Son is uncreated,
the Holy Spirit is uncreated.
The Father is immeasurable,
the Son is immeasurable,
the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.
The Father is eternal,
the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.
And yet there are not three eternal beings;
there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings;
there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.
Similarly, the Father is almighty,
the Son is almighty,
the Holy Spirit is almighty.
Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.
Thus, the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.
Thus, the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.
Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord,
so catholic religion forbids us
to say that there are three gods or lords.
The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone.
The Son was neither made nor created;
he was begotten from the Father alone.
The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten;
he proceeds from the Father and the Son.
Accordingly, there is one Father, not three fathers;
there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.
Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller;
in their entirety the three persons
are coeternal and coequal with each other.
So, in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity
and their unity in their trinity."
For all of those who say that Jesus is God Himself or even God The Son, you first have to ask you self, Is God Capable of telling a lie?
Hebrews 6:18 “That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:”
Now John 1:1,14 are the two verses that are utilized in establishing that Jesus is God Himself.
Paul never once said that God called Jesus God. They use Hebrews 1:8 to establish this false fact…
Show me, in the Bible, where God ever told Jesus “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
Reading the new testament, there is no such place where God ever said that to Jesus.. David does make this statement in Psalms 45:6 when David wrote it praising God, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.”
Back to the capable of telling a lie…
Jesus said that he could do nothing of himself, yet you claim he is “God the Son” thereby God Himself…
Jesus said that he has not come to destroy the Laws or the Prophets, yet you claim he is God Himself and call him a liar if you do not keep the commandments of God as Jesus himself makes clear when he was asked directly what must be don to inherit eternal life…
If you loved Jesus at all, and claim him to be God Himself, then you would keep his commandments. John 14:15 “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”
Jesus never once said that he came down to do his own will, yet you claim him to be God Himself. John 6:38 “For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”
Jesus clearly says who God is to him and to others when he spoke to Mary after his resurrection. John 20:17 “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
Before that he made this statement explain that the one the Jews say is their God. John 8:54 “Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:”
False doctrine is false doctrine, the Bible does not teach a “Triune God anywhere in it.
I could list every single piece of scripture people use to establish Jesus as being God but, I won’t.
Before you post your scriptures make sure that they do not make Jesus nor God Himself out to be a liar.
I am sure that there will be a lot of you who will ignore what I have written, in fact I know you will. It will show in your defense of your False doctrine…
You will give me all kinds of theories of “How you believe the Bible says that Jesus is God Himself” but you will never not once Show me where the Bible explains how it is possible for God to tell a lie. Which will be ignored…
You claim that the Bible is God’s word, thereby calling God Himself a liar. John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Yet you ignore the very word of God…
Use Matthew-John to prove God is capable of telling a lie.. you cannot use You can use Peter, 1-3 John and James as well as they were with Jesus and were his disciples. Paul was not a disciple of Jesus did not walk with Jesus during his ministries on earth. And if you claim that Jesus spoke to him, Since you claim that Jesus is God Himself and that God only Speaks through Scripture, Remember Paul was on a road sleeping when he heard a voice and he looked up and seen him… Saul is commonly known as Paul… Acts 9:1-19, this tells the story of Paul’s Conversion and calling to preach…
According to the "Doctrine of the Trinity", it doesn't matter whom you refer to, you are always referring to God himself...
God is the The Father,
God is the Son,
God is the Holy Spirit.
John 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven not to do mine own will but the will of Him that sent me."
Whose will did God Himself come down from heaven to do, if not his own?
If you say that God the Son was doing the will of God the Father, you are still saying that God Himself was still doing his own will.
If you say that the Son was doing the will of the Father, you are still saying that God Himself was doing his own will....
The explanation of the Triune God/Doctrine of the Trinity, and yes the Doctrine of the trinity was developed by the Catholic church, the only thing Protestants, those who are not of the catholic church, did was remove "This is the Catholic Faith" and "So the Catholic religion" from the doctrine... other than that it is all the same and even the oneness believers utilize this same explanation in whole or in part..
"The Father is uncreated,
the Son is uncreated,
the Holy Spirit is uncreated.
The Father is immeasurable,
the Son is immeasurable,
the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.
The Father is eternal,
the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.
And yet there are not three eternal beings;
there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings;
there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.
Similarly, the Father is almighty,
the Son is almighty,
the Holy Spirit is almighty.
Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.
Thus, the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.
Thus, the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.
Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord,
so catholic religion forbids us
to say that there are three gods or lords.
The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone.
The Son was neither made nor created;
he was begotten from the Father alone.
The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten;
he proceeds from the Father and the Son.
Accordingly, there is one Father, not three fathers;
there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.
Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller;
in their entirety the three persons
are coeternal and coequal with each other.
So, in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity
and their unity in their trinity."
