The Born Again Prophecy from Jesus
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Obey Acts and you will be in the sheepfold.
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Davy
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No, according to the OP, SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS REQUIRED to be 'born again'.
That is what he/she is actually pushing, the Charismatic-Pentecostal denominational belief that if you don't speak in tongues like them, then it means you don't have The Holy Spirit.
Davy
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WARNING BRETHREN:
Per Acts 2 when the 'cloven' tongue manifested through Christ's Apostles to the multitudes out of many nations that were there, EVERYONE PRESENT heard them speak in their OWN LANGUAGE OF BIRTH. That is what the Acts 2 Scripture declares.
That means, the Apostles DID NOT SPEAK A GIBBERISH TONGUE.
If you hear someone claim to have The Holy Spirit with speaking a gibberish tongue that cannot be understood, then that is NOT THE ACTS 2 SIGN OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, so beware!
Per Acts 2 when the 'cloven' tongue manifested through Christ's Apostles to the multitudes out of many nations that were there, EVERYONE PRESENT heard them speak in their OWN LANGUAGE OF BIRTH. That is what the Acts 2 Scripture declares.
That means, the Apostles DID NOT SPEAK A GIBBERISH TONGUE.
If you hear someone claim to have The Holy Spirit with speaking a gibberish tongue that cannot be understood, then that is NOT THE ACTS 2 SIGN OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, so beware!
To be precise, John 3:8 is a prophecy/description of Acts 2:2 to come at Pentecost, which they spoke in tongues...such are they that are born of the Spirit.
Nowadays, folks simply don't believe in that process that Jesus spoke of.
They just "confess Jesus" and keep the 10 commandments to be saved, instead of walking in the Spirit which they don't believe they need anymore.
Davy
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According to Acts 2, the TRUE cloven tongue manifests in KNOWN LANGUAGES to everyone present that hears it. It is NOT a gibberish tongue. Even in the Greek of Acts 2 the subject outline reveals each person present on Pentecost heard their own 'dialects' of the languages of their birth.
And I'm surprised at how many who 'claim' to speak the true cloven tongue are ignorant about its ancient history. It is an example of the 'one tongue' that ALL peoples once spoke PRIOR to the tower of Babel event in Genesis 11. Per Zephaniah 3, God said He is going to return all to speaking the one tongue again in the future.
Known tongues as per this...
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
"Divers kinds of tongues".
Which was needful to start the church at Pentecost.
so tongues are only found in the mission fields?
Acts 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
what is symbolic of the tongues of fire and the language each apostle was heard speaking
God uses the gift of "divers kinds of tongues" wherever it is needed.
It is not to be confused with "unknown tongues" in 1 Cor 14.
Gibberish?...
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries....
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church...
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues...
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth,...
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also....
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:...
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign...
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Davy
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That's funny! I'm not the one who NEEDS to study and HEED the Acts 2 Scripture as written...
These are Holy Spirit markings in The Word of God. Even though this is a translation from the Greek, one can easily look up the Greek using a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and the original text words.
This alternation outline follows a specific pattern, which is one of the ways The Holy Spirit has given The Word of God through God's servants.
The cloven tongue defined by The Holy Spirit markings:
a-- Acts 2:3 -- "tongues" = Greek glossa, which means languages
a-- Acts 2:4 -- "tongues" = glossa
.... b-- Acts 2:6 -- "language" = dialektos, which means dialects
.... b-- Acts 2:8 -- "tongue" = dialektos
a-- Acts 2:11 -- "tongues" = glossa
a-- Acts 2:26 -- "tongue" = glossa
That is a perfect... alternation in the Textus Receptus Greek manuscripts, showing The Word of God given via The Holy Spirit. No other known literature of man does that, and that kind of alternation is all throughout God's written Word.
Thus we have the following alternation of what was actually spoken on Pentecost, by The Holy Spirit...
a - glossa (language)
a - glossa
.... b - dialektos (dialect)
.... b - dialektos
a - glossa
a - glossa
Thus The Holy Spirit made sure with those who keep... God's Word, they would know HOW the TRUE cloven tongue manifests. And that above does NOT show it is gibberish type speech.
Davy
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See my post #97. The TRUE cloven tongue per Acts 2 went out with EVERYONE HEARING IT IN THEIR OWN DIALECTS OF THEIR LANGUAGES OF BIRTH.
Correct.
They recieved the Holy Ghost along with the gift of "divers kinds of tongues"(various known languages).
This is not the standard "unknown tongues' mentioned THROUGHOUT 1 Cor 14:2.
It is found in 1 Cor 12.
The bottom line is, your human spirit does not pray because you don't speak in tongues at all.
You speak unto men but not unto God, which has no mystery...just the opposite of Paul per 1 Cor 14.
You are simply carnal, and not spiritual.
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