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The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.
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Michiah-Imla
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I’ve seen some of his videos.
His eyes are definitely open to the Once Saved Always Saved lies.
You are believing worldly wisdom. You are simply parroting Protestant Theologians and you are not really checking the Bible deeply enough to see whether this teaching be so or not. All you got are a handful of verses taken out of context to the rest of the Bible.
We can see that salvation is conditional based upon our continued faith and faithfulness.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 tells us that we continue to believe the gospel message for salvation.
So you need to keep believing this core truth that saves according to the Bible.
Then there is 1 John 1:7 which many in your camp ignore or twist to their own destruction.
1 John 1:7 is basically saying if we walk in the light… the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin.
1 John 2:9-11 by it’s indirect wording tells us that walking in the light = loving your brother.
So you have to love your brother as part of the condition of the blood of Jesus to continue to cleanse you from all sin.
Yes, you have to believe Romans 3:25, too. Having faith in His blood for salvation does save according to Romans 3:25. But so does 1 John 1:7 which your camp ignores or twists. They just believe their Theologians blindly and they are not good Bereans.
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First, skip ahead to 2 Corinthians 6 and you will see that Paul warns us not to receive the grace of God in vain by being unequally yoked together with unbelievers (See: 2 Corinthians 6:1, 2 Corinthians 6:14-17).
Second, the blood of Jesus redeems us from our aimless conduct (Which you don’t believe because you take 1 John 1:8 to mean you must always sin on some level this side of Heaven and because you said that you are a sinner (present tense) saved by God’s grace). But 1 Peter 1:18-19 (NKJV) says:
“knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.” (1 Peter 1:18-19).
As for being sanctified in 1 Corinthians 6:11:
We are set apart and made holy when we first are saved by God’s grace. But we also must be holy in conduct as a part of our salvation, as well (See: Hebrews 12:14, Romans 8:13, 1 John 1:7, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Hebrews 5:9, Revelation 22:14-15 KJB, etcetera).
As for justified in 1 Corinthians 6:11:
While we are justified by faith (Romans 5:1) or saved by God’s grace through faith without works in our Initial Salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9) (cf. Ephesians 2:1), we are also later justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24). For the work of faith mentioned by Paul (1 Thessalonians 1:3) (2 Thessalonians 1:11) is a part of your faith. For faith without works is dead (James 2:17), and works makes one’s faith perfect (James 2:22). Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). This would mean everything in your Bible is a part of the faith including God’s instructions for you to live holy, and be fruitful as a part of the Sanctification Process of the Spirit.
As for being washed in 1 Corinthians 6:11:
While we are washed of our past sins in being saved by God’s grace, we also have to continue to sanctify (wash) ourselves by the washing of the water of the Word so that Christ might present to Himself a church that is holy, without spot, and without blemish (Ephesians 5:25-27). For we see that just doing good works is not enough, and that we have to be holy because Jesus said to certain believers who did good works in his name to depart from Him because they also worked iniquity (sin) (See: Matthew 7:22-23, and compare it with Matthew 7:26-27).
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Protestant Justification is unbiblical. You are not forever saved positionally for all time when you are first saved by God’s grace. You need to also work out your salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12) which is in context to God working in you to do of His good pleasure (Philippians 2:13).
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Sorry, I don’t believe this is possible for those who don’t understand that Progressive Sanctification of the Spirit (to live a holy life) is a part of God’s plan of salvation (See again: 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Romans 8:13, Hebrews 12:14). For to reject these verses and others on salvation means a person is rejecting God’s plan of salvation as it is shown in the Bible. Protestant Theologian mumbo jumbo will not save you. Only God’s Word as it is written and believing and acting upon that will save you.
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You also say we have no part in our salvation: But if that is the case, then why are there so many verses that do say that?
Work out your salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12).
We are told:
“...We are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (Hebrews 3:13-14).
"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:21).
"...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10).
"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:21).
"...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10).
We are told to:
- Continue in the grace of God (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).
- Continue in the faith (Acts of the Apostles 14:22) (Colossians 1:23).
- Continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (just like the Jews were cut off) (Romans 11:21-22).
Now, you can continue to believe Protestant lies, or you can believe the Scripture verses I have shown here. The choice is up to you.
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This is a straw man suggestion.
Anger is a response to a threat. Jesus's life was threatened by Pontious Pilot yet he laid it down without anger. So yes in Christ we can begin to learn how to be angry at the right things and let others go, because we are children of our Father.
Resentment. How can I resent a sinner who is a slave to their sin and desire to dominate, when in Christ we have it all. That which we have can never be taken away, a place beside our Lord and King.
So 100% by walking with the Lord we can learn to see the world from the throne of grace, and walk to our deaths rejoicing we have found peace and love with the King of Kings. This transformation takes faith, real faith, and listening and learning the ways of love and truth.
In one sense we just open the door and let Jesus change us through prayer, praise, humbleness, letting things go and lifting up His Name.
We are not static or a frozen human being trying to be something they are not. We are being changed into Jesus's likeness, from glory unto glory, so as Jesus said my yoke is easy and my burden is light. Praise the Lord.
There have been many many murderers and people out of control who have discovered the peace of God in their hearts and they lose their anger and resentment. Have you never met men such as these? I have.
God bless you
That is awesome. I believe we should always follow the call that God rests upon our hearts.
For sure. I will have to meditate on the Word more, and talk with the Lord and get back to you on this. But I would be happy to help any way I can so that our Lord Jesus may get all the glory. For I am nothing, and Christ is everything. Let us praise Him for His goodness and mercy.You said:
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No it’s not. I was trying to get her to tighten up her response. You would have needed to follow our conversation.
If you tell a person, even a person who has received a down payment of the Spirit, that they must now work really hard to overcome their flesh because if they don’t they’ll be thrown into the lake of fire, you have created a number of problems for the person rather than helping them. First, no one who has received His Spirit will ever be thrown into the lake of fire. That’s a fact. They believed and were born again by the Spirit, (if they received the Spirit) and they will never die. That’s settled. Secondly, you have set the person up for possibly years and years of futility as a foolish galatian, trying to finish in the flesh what began by the Spirit. Men do not overcome their flesh by trying really hard. From start to finish it is by the Spirit and by trusting God.
So, I was trying to get her to tighten up her response because the op needed building up of her trust that Jesus spoke true when He said He wouldn’t abandon us. She needed to hear some promises that would build up her trust (edify her) not be told to try harder.
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I have heard all of the Once Saved Always Saved ridiculous reasonings
......as I have heard your “ False and Perverted” Gospel
......as I have heard your “ False and Perverted” Gospel
“Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” (2 Corinthians 7:1)
Of course I fear God .....I fear Him enough to Believe Him and do His will—- I BELIEVE in the One that He sent....my sins are covered now....I can’t go to Hell for any reason , so I no longer have to fear “ that” ....
I can “ fear” His Chastisement when I ‘ stumble”...... but that’s it
Paul Wants us to live up to the position that we already have.....
even the worst parent wants their Children to “ behave themselves”...... that common sense advice is what Paul is talking about and He is talking here to a Saved Crowd......it has Nothing to do with Salvation...
Of course I fear God .....I fear Him enough to Believe Him and do His will—- I BELIEVE in the One that He sent....my sins are covered now....I can’t go to Hell for any reason , so I no longer have to fear “ that” ....
I can “ fear” His Chastisement when I ‘ stumble”...... but that’s it
Paul Wants us to live up to the position that we already have.....
even the worst parent wants their Children to “ behave themselves”...... that common sense advice is what Paul is talking about and He is talking here to a Saved Crowd......it has Nothing to do with Salvation...
You hit Phil. 2:12 twice but you need to look at the next verse 13.
" For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
It is God who supplies the "will" and the "doing" of His good pleasure. He works it out for you.
"Working out your own salvation with fear and trembling" is plainly not what you are saying.
It is referring to your progressive sanctification. Cooperating with the Holy Spirit by faith to create the Christlikeness in you by His doing through you.
We are saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved. That is what's taking place with the 3 levels of sanctification.
We are saved and in the position of a Child of God.
We are being saved by allowing the Holy Spirit to work through us. Increasing Christlikeness.
We will be saved totally and completely with our glorified bodies at the resurrection.
Look, I don't want to argue. I just wanted to show you how and why I serve Christ the way I do.
We have to yield our flesh to the Spirit, that is the only way he can control anything in our lives that is not godly.
We can pray to overcome anger & resentment by allowing the Holy Spirit to bear HIS fruit in and through us.
We can do nothing in and of ourselves !
Being in and of the adamic nature after sin entered the garden through lies & deceit, we are CAPTIVES of that nature. It takes a power greater than any we posses to overcome. We cannot just think in ourselves "oh, I'll do better".
Jesus said our flesh is weak but the spirit [ ours ] is indeed willing Mt.2641 ( Cxt.39-42)
No matter how GOOD we want to be we can't but his grace is sufficient!
Lol sooooooo........
I know what the word says stunned and we will leave the "tightening up" to the Spirit.
Furthermore, I said nothing loosely. The word is my shield and buckler and i have been rejoicing in its TRUTHS for 46 yrs ( NOT that I always get it right ), and allowing the Holy Ghost to lead me as I yield.
I have been seasoned by the Lord and my trust is only in Him and what he can do,not of myself. I think YOU MISUNDERSTOOD my post but that's ok. God EDIFIES me !
I love the Lord and walk by the Spirit. I know nothing we can do will save us for it is by God's grace, Jesus love and the HS helping us be under subjection to the fullness of God and his word !
I'm not a legalist,a works salvationist, a denomination, of calvinistic veiw, phariseeical, I hate that ppl believe it's done & dusted at the cross, so let's not move any further in our journey.
I believe ppl "ALL" will give an account of the life we lived, godly or evil.
Plz re- read our post, Jesus, the Father, and the Spirit are my daily walk.
Now this convo is done & dusted!
No. Philippians 2:12 means what it says plainly. You and other Protestants don’t like Philippians 2:12 and so you seek to change what it plainly says. Why all the trembling if it is not talking about fear? Protestants think it means reverence or awe of God. But that is not the context. Trembling implies fear.
This is why we read:
Philippians 3:18-20
“(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:”
Conversation: Manner of life, behavior, citizenship.
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King James Bible Dictionary - Reference List - Conversation
Listen to the passage above. It says there are enemies of the cross of Christ whose God is their belly, and who mind earthly things. When I talk with certain Free Gracers, they tend to sometimes be very worldly focused and carnal in both their thinking, and behavior. Jesus said you will know them by their fruits. For if Free Grace is truly the way, then we should see the good fruit. But all I hear is how they can bask in His grace and not worry about obeying all that much.
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You learned this from Protestants. Again, build your theology on the Word and not on what Protestant Theologians say.
Like I said BH, I don't want to argue in the negative sense.
What I will do is show you where Paul used the exact same phrase "with fear and trembling" in 2 Cor. 7:15.
"And his inward affection is more abundant toward you, whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him."
This is not the fear you are calling it! You will never admit you are wrong so I will leave you with it.
So there are 250 different New Testaments? Please elaborate in detail further. I have been a Christian a long while now and never heard of this one before. Are you talking about different English translations?
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So… you were saved from Eternity’s past? There was never a point in your life you were not saved?
So you were never an unbeliever or lost before coming to Christ Jesus?
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Initial Salvation by God's grace by faith alone
(without works):
Ephesians 2:3-5
“Among whom also we all had our conversation [behavior] in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) ;”
Ephesians 2:8-9
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
Titus 3:4-7
“But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.”
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures”
Romans 10:13
“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Romans 10:9
“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
Romans 10:14-15
“How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!”
Romans 5:1-2
“Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.”
Colossians 1:12-14
Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: (Colossians 1:12-14).
After we are saved by God's grace,
God’s works (done through us) are also required as a part of the Salvation Process:
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).
"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2:17-18).
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14).
“...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (2 Thessalonians 2:13).
“…if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).
“For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” (Galatians 6:8-9).
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:38).
”If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? (Matthew 16:24-26).
“...No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:62) (cf. Luke 8:11-15, 1 Corinthians 4:15).
"But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).
“And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:29).
“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:12-15).
“Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:12-13).
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The obvious meaning is that it is not talking about reverence. It’s talking about fear because that is the emotion one experiences when they tremble. You are simply just denying the obvious meaning because you don’t like what the verse says.
It's not talking about reverence?
When Paul sent Titus to the Corinthians, they received Titus with "fear and trembling."
Were they afraid of Titus? Were they trembling in fear of him?
They received him in "fear and trembling" knowing who sent him, Paul. They were showing humility and reverence to Paul for his position as an Apostle of Christ.
Back to "workout your salvation in fear and trembling" is exactly the same meaning.
The next verse tells us that it is God working in us, the Holy Spirit is God, that's who Paul is referring to.
So, "working out your salvation in fear and trembling" and "for it is God who works in you" is showing humility and reverence to God the Holy Spirit as He works in you. In other words, as I said before, cooperate with the Holy Spirit in humility and reverence.
It’s as simple as this——
Nobody yet can explain why God “ chastises” His Children if they never Sin.....stupid beyond belief.....still waiting for an explanation....Nobody will touch it....
Kinda like the “ Other “ verse that they NEVER respond to—— John 5:24—- “Whoever Believes in Me * ALREADY HAS” Eternal Life and shall *NEVER* come under Condemnation......lol.....we win.....hands down!
Turns out that Jesus was the First and Biggest Proponent for OSAS!
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I pray that you , a person that is in “DIRE” need of being taught herself, does not go out to preach a “ False and Perverted “Gospel” That will make others just like her—- “ Fallen From Grace“ and “Severed from Christ”.......
The LAST thing this world needs is another Confused “ SELF- Called” teacher .....This world needs “ GOD”— Called Teachers, which you ain’t......
I remember you from years ago.....I spent hours and Tons Of Computer Ink trying to teach you the lessons inherent in the Book Of Galatians....it went in one ear and out the other....You ADD to Paul’s Gospel Of Pure Grace That you Fail to understand ....
Those that “ fall” for False Gospels have it bad enough —- they Fall From Grace .....(Gal5)
Those that go one step farther and actually TEACH Additions to the Gospel are ACCURSED! Damned by God ( Gal 1:8)
I would suggest that you try to limit the damage that you do to yourself—— Don’t spread a False Gospel that will only damn you in the end...
I am sorry if this post seems a little “ harsh” .....It is not my intention to hurt you or anybody else....I have prayed about sending this post....I believe it is valid....somebody needs to Wake you Up.......and PLEASE , don’t try to be a teacher....Get back to me when you can sing “ Nothing But The Blood” and MEAN it....Only THEN will we know that you are Qualified to teach others “ in Spirit and in Truth”.....
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I bet he is quite the Jack-Ass ! What “is” he .......a Jimmy Swaggert Jr or something?
trying to finish in the flesh what began by the Spirit. Men do not overcome their flesh by trying really hard.
I’ve seen it put this way....” God will not save anybody that is “ Trying” to be Saved..... He will Save ALL that are “ Trusting” to be Saved”.......
I’ve seen it put this way....” God will not save anybody that is “ Trying” to be Saved..... He will Save ALL that are “ Trusting” to be Saved”.......
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