Our defenses are put up to protect ourself from every other self. It’s a hard outer shell of protection to protect our flesh from the flesh of others. That hard shell surrounds our heart and we guard it. It must come down before the seed of life implanted in us can spring forth and bubble up. But we won’t let that hard shell of defense down until He heals all the wounds we’ve received that made us put up the protective shell in the first place. From the top of our head to the soles of our feet are wounds and scars and festering places. The whole heart and mind and emotions are sick.
The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.
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Our defenses are put up to protect ourself from every other self. It’s a hard outer shell of protection to protect our flesh from the flesh of others. That hard shell surrounds our heart and we guard it. It must come down before the seed of life implanted in us can spring forth and bubble up. But we won’t let that hard shell of defense down until He heals all the wounds we’ve received that made us put up the protective shell in the first place. From the top of our head to the soles of our feet are wounds and scars and festering places. The whole heart and mind and emotions are sick.
Michiah-Imla
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“Bema” seat?
What was the Judgement Seat in the original Greek called where Jesus was condemned to the cross? Ding ding ding: THE “BEMA”!!
Why don’t you get out of YOUR confusion:
“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 13:47-50)
Behold
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First of all, im happy to teach you some basic manuscript evidence so that this might stop your blundering around in this area, as you are doing now.
1.) There is NO Original Greek TEXT.... So, when you are taught that there is "the original" and "in the original greek it says"....... See that? That is a liar telling you that who is trying to be the authority over the word of God, using that lie.
2.) There are at least 30 "extant" fully completed Greek Texts.....and NONE Of them are the ORIGINALS.. they are all copies of copies.
3.) The only ORIGINALS, would be the Apostle's original Letters, and they are long ago gone..
Now, the Bema Seat, is the Judgement seat of Christ. And that "judgement" is not the same context as you find AS the Great White Throne Judgment.
See, the bible uses the same words at times, but not always is it the same context or meaning.. So, "JUDGMENT" can be the wrath of God....such as you find in John 3:36.
But another Judgement is for rewards. Where Jesus will reward the born again, each of us, who is born again, at HIS Judgement seat.
And at this one, you will be rewarded according to "what you did in His/MY Body"..
In other words, ...each of use are the body of Christ, and what we do for God and Christ, ... will be revealed at the Judgement seat...
How will our WORKS be judged there?
They will be judged based on only one factor.. Jesus will look at the MOTIVE we had for doing what we did for Him.
If our motive is pure, right, correct, then we are rewarded. If our motive was selfishness, and applause-attention seeking, then that work, burns...is judged to be impure.
I saw something the other day, which changed my ideas on this.
Jesus and the Father have defences of themselves, but choose to open up and let the hurts to go by and for love, grace and forgiveness to replace them.
What is strange to me in life is being hurt is ok, denying the hurt actually happened to myself is lethal. I need to admit I got hurt and then forgive and the pain goes away. I used to think turning the other cheek was just that, and not dealing with the pain. But that does not work at all.
Equally the idea of having no defences gives over ones life to another, and removes responsibility of actions from myself to that other, which is not healthy or right.
So rather than Jesus and the Father being defenceless, they choose to take the pain, know the pain, plan and accept it, and work through the strategy of love and reaching out that works. They are both alone and separate yet open, together and one. One dream some have is becoming one with another or the universe, as if this releases the soul. Jesus calls us to be individuals, intact, defended by open and forgiving choosing to share love and victory rather than bitterness, hurt and resentment.
What changed for me is to see who Jesus is, and how distant and yet together He is with the Father. In eternity we are separate individuals but loving and serving the King with open hearts. God bless you
Michiah-Imla
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But why make a distinction with calling it the “Bema” seat?
What does that have to do with anything?
Pilate sat on the “Bema” seat too when he condemned Christ.
But can you address this and stop shifting to other things?
“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” (Romans 6:1-2)
How @Behold ?
How?
Not defending yourself from the narcissistic and passive aggressive attacks of others does not mean you give over your life to whatever they do to you. You just let your no be no and your yes be yes, despite the fact that they are trying to dominate and control you and stir up your flesh with their flesh. You just don’t respond to the tactics they use in the way they want you to respond.
They are living below the veil of full consciousness and awareness and you just continue to live above it, aware of the tactics and no longer playing by the “rules” of that useless way of life you were taught. Will there be offendedness and hurt feelings that you’ve left it behind and refuse to play? Yes. And even that is an attempt to try to dominate and control you.
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There are two resurrections and judgements. The first is to honor or dishonor. The second is to life or the second death.
There are two books spoken of. With the first, the judgement is what we did with what we were given. With the second, the lambs book of life, the judgement is life or the second death.
We read, “and then another book was opened”
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What you are referring to is too involved for me to understand. What I have learnt from people in chaos and turmoil is to set simple boundaries, make every interaction simple and consistent and not to get distracted into speculation or over analysis.
Put simply sowing simple good approaches leads to a fruitful interaction. Being driven by hurt leads to problems.
What you are referring to as passive aggressive attacks sounds to me and from what I have come across is driven by people interpreting others as if life and emotions can be summarised this way, and then justifying certain responses.
What works is simply reducing things down to what the interaction actually is, and being polite and caring.
I have a relation who is overwhelmed by loss and imagined significance beyond the point where interaction makes sense, unless you detach from the chaos and just talk about simple day to day joys and difficulties. Until they can get back to normal daily life, they are probably insane in one real sense,
God bless you
Michiah-Imla
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What’s “Bema” got to do with any of this?
Are we in a Greek language study class or something?
The great white throne judgment is the judgment seat of Christ.
“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 13:47-50)
Matches perfect with:
“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.” (Revelation 20:12)
mailmandan
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There is a difference between what is our goal and what the reality of our existence tells us. I often hear people who promote "sinless perfection" quote John 8:11, in which Jesus told the woman caught in adultery to "go and sin no more." Jesus was telling the woman to go and leave her life of sin, namely, she had been practicing adultery. Also, Jesus cannot compromise his perfect holy standard, so of course He is not going to say, "go and just sin a little bit."
In regards to the Israelites in the Old Testament, how well overall would you say they collectively obeyed God?
Whatever works for you is good. God has your healing and the renewing of your mind under control. I think I recognize you from an old forum, but forget what your name was there. It was bibleforums.org I think.
Michiah-Imla
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You see!
You guys are always adding to the text!
“She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and
No, he just lies to them. That’s soo much better…
Don’t know. I don’t even know what bema means. I just know there are two resurrections and judgements and I know the first one is for those who were given more and more is expected from whoever more is given to.
So men get it backwards and think less is required from whoever is given more and that more is required from whoever is given less.
mailmandan
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Jesus did not lie to them and like I already said, Jesus cannot compromise His perfect, holy standard. It blows my mind that you actually believe you are sinless 100% of the time in word, thought and deed, exactly like Jesus.
Michiah-Imla
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It blows my mind that you don’t believe the holy scriptures!
“Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.” (1 Peter 4:1-2)
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.” (John 14:12)
Eternally Grateful
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sadly, he will find out the truth one day. Lets just pray he is on the right side and at the right judgment.
mailmandan
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1 Peter 4:1 - Therefore, since Christ suffered in the flesh [and died for us], arm yourselves [like warriors] with the same purpose [being willing to suffer for doing what is right and pleasing God], because whoever has suffered in the flesh [being like-minded with Christ] is done with [intentional] sin [having stopped pleasing the world], 2 so that he can no longer spend the rest of his natural life living for human appetites and desires, but [lives] for the will and purpose of God. (AMP)
Your sinless perfection interpretation remains in contradiction with 1 John 1:8-10; 2:1.
In regards to John 14:12:
What does John 14:12 mean? | BibleRef.com
If you were to read both 1 Corinthians and 2 Corinthians you would know that the Corinthians had sinned (1 Corinthians 3, 1 Corinthians 5). Paul explains in 2 Corinthians 7:6-15 explains how they sought forgiveness with the Lord Jesus with a godly sorrow, and they had by forsaken their sins (i.e. repentance - 2 Corinthians 7:10). So their receiving of Titus in fear and trembling was most likely in their wondering if God was going to forgive them or not by the coming of Titus.
I say this because Paul says, “Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying. For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults: And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.” (2 Corinthians 12:19-21).
Meaning, Paul worried about them because of their sin.
So it's highly probable that the Corinthians worried because of the sin they committed, too. They were awaiting to see what Titus was going to say (seeing he was an authority sent from the apostle Paul from God).
Paul also says,
“Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?” (2 Corinthians 13:5).
Anyways, the problem I have with your belief Charlie is that you keep having to change or ignore the verses I put forth to you. If we were just talking about one verse like Philippians 2:12 and that was the only one in the Bible that appears to refute your false belief in that declare that you are sinner (present tense) saved by God's grace then there is a small percentage of a chance you could be correct. But the sheer number of verses on the warnings against how sin can destroy our soul, and or in being cast out because of unfruitfulness of not seeing God because of unholiness should give you pause to reconsider. But you simply don't like the many verses in the Bible that do give us these warnings. I have provided many of them to you so far, and you keep having to change them. That's what concerns me, Charlie. We are not talking about just one verse here; But many.
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Michiah-Imla
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People who continue to read and obey the Holy Bible will see through all of your gimmicks. And you nakedly continue to add to scripture without shame at all.
So you offer an extra-biblical source for reference.
This speaks volumes Dan.
I refer you to this:
KING JAMES BIBLE ONLINE
Where does the Bible say that God must always chastise us even if we live righteously?
What is dumb about your understanding on chastisement is that you fail to recognize that chastisement is to get the person to stop sinning. It's like a master who chastises his dog for pooping on the carpets. The goal of chastisement is to get the animal to stop pooping on the carpet. Now, you guys say you are slaves to your sin in some way in this life. Now, imagine if the dog had an uncontrollable pooping problem because it was sick and the master knew this fact. Yet, the master kicked the dog like a football as a part of the OSAS version of chastising the poor little guy. Yet, the master knows the dog cannot help himself. So chastisement in this case does not make any sense. Why correct an animal if it cannot help itself? This is just one of the many problems with your belief.
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