Being Saved is Being Eternally Saved

[robert derrick]

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

This Scripture says that Jesus' offering is perfect, whole, and complete. There is no confessed sin He cannot nor does not forgive, and there is no one forgiven that is not now forgiven of all sinning committed.

Those therefore, who are now forgiven, saved, and sanctified in Him, are perfectly, wholly, and completely purified in heart and soul, and cleansed in spirit and in flesh for ever.

All filthiness of the spirit and flesh are now perfectly and eternally washed clean by the blood of the Lamb, for ever.

What is here and now in sight of God, is eternally fresh, new, pure, and alive for ever.

Yesterday is forgotten in sight of God, and tomorrow may not come.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Only now and today matters in any relationship with God, whether it be for good or evil, therefore if for good, then be and do good as Jesus our Shepherd, and as are eternal Father in heaven.

Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

If for evil, then repent and become sons of God now, for tomorrow may not come, and yesterday is gone:

For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

Being saved is eternally being saved, not yesterday, nor tomorrow, but only now and today.

So long as we are perfectly and eternally saved now, that is all that matters.

In this present evil world, Jesus Christ is only the Lord, Saviour, and God of and for today.

 

[robert derrick]

Those now reconciled to God with Jesus Christ, are now in the fellowship and Spirit of the true Light, are now eternally saved with full access to the eternal truth and things of the eternal Savior, Lord, and God Jesus Christ.

For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Being saved is being eternally saved, with perfect, whole, and complete access to every good gift, understanding, peace, and blessing of the eternal Spirit, by which we also now have an open door to heaven, to know all truth revealed in Scripture of the prophets and apostles.

These blessings are not only for the soul and spirit, but also for the body:

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly, and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

If we are saved now, we do good now in spirit and in flesh, and know the Perfect and Good One now on the throne and sups with us in His kingdom within.

The perfect heavenly places are now in the purified souls of them, that are now perfectly forgiven in all things, having no condemnation now for sinning in the spirit nor the flesh.

Every Scripture of the gospel of Jesus Christ pertaining to forgiveness, salvation, justification, and sanctification is about now, and only about now, and so every such Scripture only speaks of now, not yesterday, nor tomorrow.

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God.

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

 

[robert derrick]

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

If we are now being saved, forgiven, washed, justified in Christ, then it remains perfectly so for a thousand years, and in a thousand years, it is still the same perfectness and liveliness as day one.

The perfect sanctification and purity and life of Jesus Christ never gets old, stale, nor less than perfectly good.

If we are being saved, then that perfect salvation is ours to know and love now, not before, not later.

Them that live for Him today, have no need of taking thought for tomorrow.

Today is the only day of our eternal salvation, and eternal access of His Spirit, both in heaven and within the pure in heart.

If we are cleansed of all filthiness of the spirit and flesh today, then that is all that matters.

God in this life is only about now and today. It is the god of this world that is always on and on and on about tomorrow, that may not come.

 

[Taken]

Quite a complete FLIP from your numerous anti-OSAS threads.

 

[robert derrick]

There can be no change in the eternal heavens, like there can be change on the temporal earth, but so long as we are being saved eternally now, without today sinning with the devil, then there is no need to change at all, though the god of this world is all about changing from good to evil.

In the temporal there can always be change, and so nothing must be always the same on earth, as it is in heaven, for even the earth and heaven itself shall pass away.

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

However, in being saved now with eternal salvation in the heavenlies, we are overcoming the whole world, so that, must changing for the worse, has no hold on us that believe and worship and obey Him now:

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Overcoming the world is now, and is only now by believing Jesus the Son of God.

Only the devil says we must change from doing good to doing evil from time to time.

In Christ Jesus on earth, there is no time to time, but only now.

 

[robert derrick]

Quite a complete FLIP from your numerous anti-OSAS threads.

OSAS is false doctrine. I don't teach OSAS, I no longer argue with OSAS believers, which is pointless, and so yes, I've flipped from bothering.

I now only teach the truth of Scripture as I see it.

If you have a question or want clarification, feel free to ask.

 

[robert derrick]

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Abiding is now only, not yesterday, nor later. If we are abiding in Him now, we are bearing His fruit now.

If we are doing works of the devil now, we are not abiding in Him now. Neither yesterday nor tomorrow matter.

The things that pertain to salvation in Christ Jesus are only now and are eternal in nature, with access to them now.

And so, for now abide in Him and have access to all eternal things of Him in the heavens.

For now we live, if ye stand fast in the Lord.

 

[robert derrick]

If we are standing fast and abiding in His righteousness, we live in Him now.

If we are not standing fast and abiding in Him, but sinning with the devil, we live not now in Him, but in the condemnation of the world.

We are either being eternally saved with Him now, or eternally condemned with the devil now.

Do good in spirit and flesh now, or do evil now, because the Lord only sees good or evil, not doing both good and evil.

Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

The commandment is for now, because God only judges us for now, not for before, nor later.

The only 'always' with God on earth, is that which is now and remains the same as now.

There is no always, where there is change. Only on earth is always only possible, where change is the norm, and is spoken of as inevitable.

God is always God and heaven is always heaven, but on earth only them loving Him in deed and in truth now, can be always doing so, if they remain doing so now.

 

[Taken]

OSAS is false doctrine. I don't teach OSAS. I no longer argue with OSAS believers, which is pointless.

LOL -
Correct...you stand AGAINST Once Saved Always Saved..
While...saying...

Those therefore, who are now forgiven, saved, and sanctified in Him, are perfectly, wholly, and completely purified in heart and soul, and cleansed in spirit and in flesh for ever.

Public education?

 

[Pierac]

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

This Scripture says that Jesus' offering is perfect, whole, and complete. There is no confessed sin He cannot nor does not forgive, and there is no one forgiven that is not now forgiven of all sinning committed.

Those therefore, who are now forgiven, saved, and sanctified in Him, are perfectly, wholly, and completely purified in heart and soul, and cleansed in spirit and in flesh for ever.

All filthiness of the spirit and flesh are now perfectly and eternally washed clean by the blood of the Lamb, for ever.

What is here and now in sight of God, is eternally fresh, new, pure, and alive for ever.

Yesterday is forgotten in sight of God, and tomorrow may not come.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Only now and today matters in any relationship with God, whether it be for good or evil, therefore if for good, then be and do good as Jesus our Shepherd, and as are eternal Father in heaven.

Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

If for evil, then repent and become sons of God now, for tomorrow may not come, and yesterday is gone:

For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

Being saved is eternally being saved, not yesterday, nor tomorrow, but only now and today.

So long as we are perfectly and eternally saved now, that is all that matters.

In this present evil world, Jesus Christ is only the Lord, Saviour, and God of and for today.

Saved from what???

Gen 2:16 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

Death? Sorry... but Christains die every day..... even after Jesus' death on the cross.... You have no idea... what the first born from the dead...is about to do!

Now before you get all uppity... Show me a Christian from the past 1800 years whom did not die. Because Jesus died for them first!!!
Yea, other see what you want to sweep under the rug....
Paul

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Saved from what???

Gen 2:16 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

Death? Sorry... but Christains die every day..... even after Jesus' death on the cross.... You have no idea... what the first born from the dead...is about to do!

Now before you get all uppity... Show me a Christian from the past 1800 years whom did not die. Because Jesus died for them first!!!
Yea, other see what you want to sweep under the rug....
Paul

''Saved from what???''
Couldn't help but think of Aunty Jane's thread after reading that.

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

This Scripture says that Jesus' offering is perfect, whole, and complete. There is no confessed sin He cannot nor does not forgive, and there is no one forgiven that is not now forgiven of all sinning committed.

Those therefore, who are now forgiven, saved, and sanctified in Him, are perfectly, wholly, and completely purified in heart and soul, and cleansed in spirit and in flesh for ever.

All filthiness of the spirit and flesh are now perfectly and eternally washed clean by the blood of the Lamb, for ever.

What is here and now in sight of God, is eternally fresh, new, pure, and alive for ever.

Yesterday is forgotten in sight of God, and tomorrow may not come.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Only now and today matters in any relationship with God, whether it be for good or evil, therefore if for good, then be and do good as Jesus our Shepherd, and as are eternal Father in heaven.

Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

If for evil, then repent and become sons of God now, for tomorrow may not come, and yesterday is gone:

For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

Being saved is eternally being saved, not yesterday, nor tomorrow, but only now and today.

So long as we are perfectly and eternally saved now, that is all that matters.

In this present evil world, Jesus Christ is only the Lord, Saviour, and God of and for today.

To respond to your thread title sustained by your OP there, but of course!
Glorious isn't it?Thank you Father!

 

[robert derrick]

LOL -
Correct...you stand AGAINST Once Saved Always Saved..
While...saying...



Public education?

Thanks for asking how being perfectly saved now, which is perfect in heaven, is not being OSAS saved now and so always saved unconditionally.

OSAS teaches now and always without condition of remaining as now.

Eternal salvation is for the pure in heart with clean hands now, and remaining the same now and forever, even as Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever.

And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard.

But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

OSAS claims an unconditional always on earth, that does not include continuing pure and clean, but is inclusive for those moving away to sin with the devil also.

That is not the perfect salvation of Jesus Christ, that is now and the same forever, but is the imperfect and moveable salvation of man's own faith alone.

I do know that them in darkness cannot comprehend the truth Light, but I'm more than glad to help, so long as you ask.

 

[robert derrick]

Saved from what???

Gen 2:16 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

Death? Sorry... but Christains die every day..... even after Jesus' death on the cross.... You have no idea... what the first born from the dead...is about to do!

Now before you get all uppity... Show me a Christian from the past 1800 years whom did not die. Because Jesus died for them first!!!
Yea, other see what you want to sweep under the rug....
Paul

Since you ask, I'll try to help.

Mortal bodies go to the dust everyday, whether sinner or saint.

Death of the soul by sinning is spiritual.

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

If any man is sinning with the devil now and today, then that soul is now eternally dead and cut off from the life that is in Christ Jesus.

And now today is the very time to repent and make godly confession to the Advocate and propitiation for all sinners of the world: Jesus the righteous Lord, God, and Saviour.

Those forgiven, saved, and sanctified by Him wholly in spirit and in deed, are perfectly made in His image now, and so long as they remain in His image now, they shall be forever.

Repentance and salvation is for now only, not yesterday that is gone, nor tomorrow that may not come.

For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

 

[Pierac]

Since you ask, I'll try to help, but I don't know how far we can get with your carnal mindedness.

Mortal bodies go to the dust everyday, whether sinner or saint.

Death of the soul by sinning is spiritual.

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

If any man is sinning with the devil now and today, then that soul is now eternally dead and cut off from the life that is in Christ Jesus.

And now today is the very time to repent and make godly confession to the Advocate and propitiation for all sinners of the world: Jesus the righteous Lord, God, and Saviour.

Those forgiven, saved, and sanctified by Him wholly in spirit and in deed, are perfectly made in His image now, and so long as they remain in His image now, they shall be forever.

Repentance and salvation is for now only, not yesterday that is gone, nor tomorrow that may not come.

For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

Humm,

You starting to see/hear???

ESV Rom 11:7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day."


CEV Rom 11:7 This means that only a chosen few of the people of Israel found what all of them were searching for. And the rest of them were stubborn, 8 just as the Scriptures say, "God made them so stupid that their eyes are blind, and their ears are still deaf."

I'm going to give you a pearl... from this Carnal Mind!!!

Ecc 3:11 He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end.

God did not put eternity in our heart... Nor the world!

Ignorance/Obscurity in this verse... is what you seek...
Paul

 

[robert derrick]

I no longer argue with people on the bible study forum. I've offered a teaching in answer to your question, and you ignore it.

You can contact me privately, or take it to the debate forum. This thread will remain properly in the argument-free bible study forum.

Thanks.

 

[Pierac]

I no longer argue with people on the bible study forum. I've offered a teaching in answer to your question, and you ignore it.

You can contact me privately, or take it to the debate forum. This thread will remain properly in the argument-free bible study forum.

Thanks.

Take the Pearl... You need to Know...

 

[Taken]

Thanks for asking how being perfectly saved now, which is perfect in heaven, is not being OSAS saved now and so always saved unconditionally.

The question was ... public education?

OSAS teaches now and always

Yes.

without condition of remaining as now.

False.

OSAS claims an unconditional always on earth

False.

I'm more than glad to help, so long as you ask.

I asked about ... public education. You didn’t answer.
You makes claims that does not apply to OSAS.
That is destructive, not helpful.

 

[robert derrick]

The question was ... public education?



Yes.



False.



False.



I asked about ... public education. You didn’t answer.
You makes claims that does not apply to OSAS.
That is destructive, not helpful.

As I said. I won't argue on the bible study forum. If you would like to teach your version of being saved eternally. Please do. If you want clarifications from me, then ask. Otherwise, you can go private with me or take it to the debate thread. Last warning, next time you just want to be disagreeable, I'll report you.

I have been in touch with he moderators and they want to see a difference between the bible study and debate forums.

We learn what other people believe here, and we argue about it there.

 

[Pierac]

As I said. I won't argue on the bible study forum. If you would like to teach your version of being saved eternally. Please do. If you want clarifications from me, then ask. Otherwise, you can go private with me or take it to the debate thread. Last warning, next time you just want to be disagreeable, I'll report you.

I have been in touch with he moderators and they want to see a difference between the bible study and debate forums.

We learn what other people believe here, and we argue about it there.

I told you Robert... You need to look!!!

NASB Ecc 3:11 He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end.

KJV Ecc 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

YLT Bible Ecc 3:11 The whole He hath made beautiful in its season; also, that knowledge He hath put in their heart without which man findeth not out the work that God hath done from the beginning even unto the end.

NET Bible Ecc 3:11 God has made everything fit beautifully in its appropriate time, but he has also placed ignorance in the human heart so that people cannot discover what God has ordained, from the beginning to the end of their lives.

CLV bible Ecc 3:11 He has made everything fitting in its season; However, He has put obscurity in their heart So that the man may not find out His work, That which the One, Elohim, does from the beginning to the terminus."


Your not looking Robert... what did God place in the heart of men??? Your not going to get the truth from reading a translation... Read the passage in Hebrew!!!
Paul

 

[Robert Gwin]

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

This Scripture says that Jesus' offering is perfect, whole, and complete. There is no confessed sin He cannot nor does not forgive, and there is no one forgiven that is not now forgiven of all sinning committed.

Those therefore, who are now forgiven, saved, and sanctified in Him, are perfectly, wholly, and completely purified in heart and soul, and cleansed in spirit and in flesh for ever.

All filthiness of the spirit and flesh are now perfectly and eternally washed clean by the blood of the Lamb, for ever.

What is here and now in sight of God, is eternally fresh, new, pure, and alive for ever.

Yesterday is forgotten in sight of God, and tomorrow may not come.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Only now and today matters in any relationship with God, whether it be for good or evil, therefore if for good, then be and do good as Jesus our Shepherd, and as are eternal Father in heaven.

Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

If for evil, then repent and become sons of God now, for tomorrow may not come, and yesterday is gone:

For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

Being saved is eternally being saved, not yesterday, nor tomorrow, but only now and today.

So long as we are perfectly and eternally saved now, that is all that matters.

In this present evil world, Jesus Christ is only the Lord, Saviour, and God of and for today.

When one is given salvation Rob, what happens if they choose to sin sir?