christian heavy metal?? thoughts & opinions

[teamventure]

i was recently convicted of my metal music by God and got rid of my metal music collection. however now i have started to listen to some christian metal.
what are everyones thoughts about metal bands that happen to be christians with christian lyrics??

 

[teamventure]

common. someone must atleast have a thought about this?

 

[Nomad]

My thought is that there is no problem at all. I know I'm showing my age here, but I was overjoyed when I discovered bands like Stryper and Holy Soldier. There's nothing wrong with a Christian alternative for those who love metal.

 

[Insight]

My thought is that there is no problem at all. I know I'm showing my age here, but I was overjoyed when I discovered bands like Stryper and Holy Soldier. There's nothing wrong with a Christian alternative for those who love metal.

Maybe you should study the Sons of Asaph.

I am sure this would change you opinion rather quickly.

 

[teamventure]

could you fill us in on the sons of asaph insight?
i will look it up myself anyway but i also made this thread to discuss this type of stuff and to learn.

My thought is that there is no problem at all. I know I'm showing my age here, but I was overjoyed when I discovered bands like Stryper and Holy Soldier. There's nothing wrong with a Christian alternative for those who love metal.

someone in my college dorm had a poster of stryper on the outside of his door. good times.

Maybe you should study the Sons of Asaph.

I am sure this would change you opinion rather quickly.

i looked up sons of asaph. they were a group of musicians who considered asaph to be their master.
that's all i've found. could you fill us in on the rest?

 

[aspen]

I cannot even remember how many times i purged my music collection of devil music as a kid....only to buy it all back again......AC/DC needs to write thank you letters to all the zealous preachers out there for promoting and setting people up to buy the same albums repeatedly. Maybe some royalties?

Funny thing is I always thought more about God when i listened to secular music.

 

[Insight]

could you fill us in on the sons of asaph insight?
i will look it up myself anyway but i also made this thread to discuss this type of stuff and to learn.



someone in my college dorm had a poster of stryper on the outside of his door. good times.

Teamventure,

Let me put it this way.

Yahweh Elohim is a Most Holy and Pure Being full of Light
unapproachable that no man has ever seen nor can see. He is beyond our comprehension in terms of His purity.

It is careless to assume that He allows us to worship and praise Him with any music of our choosing.

Should one study the Sons of Asaph they will be forever enlightened to the exact nature of praise and worship which is pleasing in His sight.
The music today is full of wrong teaching, and is more about stimulating the propensities of the flesh than exalting a Holy God.

Here is an example.

Song Lyrics to Loud "n" Clear

The hair is long and the screams are loud and clear.
The clothes are tight, earrings dangling from the ears.
No matter how we look, we'll always praise His name.
And, if you believe, you've got to do the same.

Is this a message that would please the Lord Jesus Christ? Are you able to take me his teachings to show that one can present themselves in any old way, acting like lunatic screaming and wearing tight clothes with earrings dangling and that it doesn’t matter how we look.

Some of us were always pushed around in schools.
That's why I wrote this song to sing to pushin' fools.
At least we can say we love doin' what we do.
And we're here to say that you can have salvation too.

Do you think these are profoundly deep words carrying deep meaning of salvation?

Its rot and it will be cleansed from the face of the planet when the Master returns

Insight

 

[rockytopva]

Aspen... I like to eat at JimmyJohns where they play all those 70's songs. I then find myself liking the music I long put away...

 

[teamventure]

Teamventure,

Let me put it this way.

Yahweh Elohim is a Most Holy and Pure Being full of Light
unapproachable that no man has ever seen nor can see. He is beyond our comprehension in terms of His purity.

It is careless to assume that He allows us to worship and praise Him with any music of our choosing.

Should one study the Sons of Asaph they will be forever enlightened to the exact nature of praise and worship which is pleasing in His sight.
The music today is full of wrong teaching, and is more about stimulating the propensities of the flesh than exalting a Holy God.

Here is an example.

Song Lyrics to Loud "n" Clear

The hair is long and the screams are loud and clear.
The clothes are tight, earrings dangling from the ears.
No matter how we look, we'll always praise His name.
And, if you believe, you've got to do the same.

Is this a message that would please the Lord Jesus Christ? Are you able to take me his teachings to show that one can present themselves in any old way, acting like lunatic screaming and wearing tight clothes with earrings dangling and that it doesn’t matter how we look.

Some of us were always pushed around in schools.
That's why I wrote this song to sing to pushin' fools.
At least we can say we love doin' what we do.
And we're here to say that you can have salvation too.

Do you think these are profoundly deep words carrying deep meaning of salvation?

Its rot and it will be cleansed from the face of the planet when the Master returns

Insight

i agree and don't find those lyrics to be edifying. however my disclaimer is that i have never listened to stryper and have never heard that song before, atleast to my knowledge.
continueing on.. the sons of asaph were wrong to make asaph their master and not God. but if they had considered God their master and sang unto him would it still be wrong? i am not trying to contradict as much as i am to learn.
what i'm asking is; what if the lyrics were christian or worshipfull but the music was metal?

 

[aspen]

Insite

I agree those lyrics are terrible, but the just means the music is simply bad, not evil - right?

I like JJohns too rocky

 

[prism]

I like all types of music (blues, folk, jazz rock, baroque) but all are best with Christian lyrics or at least a sane sense of humaneness in them. Some one should come out with a comparative study comparing the Church Cantatas of J.S. Bach with today's commercialized 'me and jesus' music of today. As Ms.Slim says, 'we've come a long ways baby!',

 

[teamventure]

Teamventure,

Let me put it this way.

Yahweh Elohim is a Most Holy and Pure Being full of Light
unapproachable that no man has ever seen nor can see. He is beyond our comprehension in terms of His purity.

It is careless to assume that He allows us to worship and praise Him with any music of our choosing.

Should one study the Sons of Asaph they will be forever enlightened to the exact nature of praise and worship which is pleasing in His sight.
The music today is full of wrong teaching, and is more about stimulating the propensities of the flesh than exalting a Holy God.

Here is an example.

Song Lyrics to Loud "n" Clear

The hair is long and the screams are loud and clear.
The clothes are tight, earrings dangling from the ears.
No matter how we look, we'll always praise His name.
And, if you believe, you've got to do the same.

Is this a message that would please the Lord Jesus Christ? Are you able to take me his teachings to show that one can present themselves in any old way, acting like lunatic screaming and wearing tight clothes with earrings dangling and that it doesn’t matter how we look.

Some of us were always pushed around in schools.
That's why I wrote this song to sing to pushin' fools.
At least we can say we love doin' what we do.
And we're here to say that you can have salvation too.

Do you think these are profoundly deep words carrying deep meaning of salvation?

Its rot and it will be cleansed from the face of the planet when the Master returns

Insight

atleast provide a link informing us about the sons of asaph.

 

[Nomad]

The OP led me to believe that we're talking about musical style, for which there is no Biblical prohibition. If we're talking about lyrical content, I have a problem with Stryper too. Some of their tunes are extremely Arminian/semi-Pelagian in concept, which I find theologically problematic. However, I believe my first impression is correct. We're talking about musical style, not lyrical content as I know for a fact that some of our "classic" hymns are lyrically problematic as well. Does that automatically mean that the underlying music is corrupt as well? That's an idea that's absurd on it's face.

 

[Insight]

Insite

I agree those lyrics are terrible, but the just means the music is simply bad, not evil - right?

I like JJohns too rocky

Maybe you should see Gods warnings to Israel about their idolatrous worship (many drums) and how they (Israel) eventually sacrificed their children to their beating, to drown out the noise of screaming babies as they are offered to Molech.

Evil?

I will let you be the judge.

 

[Nomad]

How about providing us with some references Insight? Where exactly is idolatry connected with "many drums?"

 

[Insight]

The OP led me to believe that we're talking about musical style, for which there is no Biblical prohibition. If we're talking about lyrical content, I have a problem with Stryper too. Some of their tunes are extremely Arminian/semi-Pelagian in concept, which I find theologically problematic. However, I believe my first impression is correct. We're talking about musical style, not lyrical content as I know for a fact that some of our "classic" hymns are lyrically problematic as well. Does that automatically mean that the underlying music is corrupt as well? That's an idea that's absurd on it's face.

atleast provide a link informing us about the sons of asaph.

Team,

I gave a series of studies on music in the Bible some years back, I will dig out for you. The example of the Sons of Asaph is so profound that once understand you will never view music the same.

Maybe you should study their Psalms? Try Psalm 50 to start with....

Insight

 

[teamventure]

Maybe you should see Gods warnings to Israel about their idolatrous worship (many drums) and how they (Israel) eventually sacrificed their children to their beating, to drown out the noise of screaming babies as they are offered to Molech.

Evil?

I will let you be the judge.

you're starting to sound random and confusing. and what about that sons of asaph link please?
and nomad you are right that i was talking about musical style so insight i don't know why you were posting lyrics since this discusion is about musical style. let us continue on...

Team,

I gave a series of studies on music in the Bible some years back, I will dig out for you. The example of the Sons of Asaph is so profound that once understand you will never view music the same.

Maybe you should study their Psalms? Try Psalm 50 to start with....

Insight

thanks. i'll quit pressuring you about it. any info/resources will be much appreciated.

 

[Insight]

How about providing us with some references Insight? Where exactly is idolatry connected with "many drums?"

Come on Nomad, clearly you are an astute man who is well learned in things Historical.

Jeremiah 7:31,32. &1 Kings 11:1-7 valley of Hinnom, Topheth occupied a "high place".

Topheth ="place of fire," where Molech was worshipped with music and sacrifices.

And he defiled Topheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, that no one might burn his son or his daughter as an offering to Molech. (2 Kings 23:10)

And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into my mind. (Jeremiah 7:31)

therefore, behold, days are coming, declares the LORD, when this place shall no more be called Topheth, or the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter. (Jeremiah 19:6)

"toph" is to play or beating a percussion instrument such as a timbrel, tambourine, or drum.

It is commonly understood and well documented that these percussion instruments were used to drown out the sounds of babies as they were burned alive upon the arms of Molech. (I will dig out my studies on the Instruments of David which I am sure you will find fascinating.)

At night his arms would glow red hot as the music played into the night.

An abomination in Yahweh’s eyes like that of the abhorrent music disguised with a Christian veneer but evil nonethesame.

Insight

p.s I am not opposed to drums as an instrument, however they do excite the flesh as we all know!

BTW - I am not sure what the style of music was when the Kings of Israel were offering their children to the fire but one could imagine it was
Hypnotic - like most music today :)

 

[Nomad]

I'll ask you again Insight, where exactly is idolatry connected with "many drums?" None of your references mention drums at all. Would you care to explain this in light of you assertions?

 

[Insight]

The OP led me to believe that we're talking about musical style, for which there is no Biblical prohibition. If we're talking about lyrical content, I have a problem with Stryper too. Some of their tunes are extremely Arminian/semi-Pelagian in concept, which I find theologically problematic. However, I believe my first impression is correct. We're talking about musical style, not lyrical content as I know for a fact that some of our "classic" hymns are lyrically problematic as well. Does that automatically mean that the underlying music is corrupt as well? That's an idea that's absurd on it's face.

Dangerous ground trying to seperate style from lyrics.

Very subjective one would think.

Insight

I'll ask you again Insight, where exactly is idolatry connected with "many drums?" None of your references mention drums.

Fast reply!

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תּפף

tâphaph

taw-faf'

A primitive root; to drum, that is, play (as) on the tambourine: - taber, play with timbrels.

I will make one more point before moving on.

Is it not interesting that Yahweh has preserved by the Spirit - Word the many songs in the Psalms but not one sheet of music accompanies them?

Of course the depth of these words ought to direct us to the appropriate style of music that would please an Holy and All Powerful God.

1 Ch 25:7 Music for the Lord

"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God" (Col 3:16).

Speaking in idealist terms music is not so much for our entertainment but for worshipping our Heavenly Father and His Son.

Insight