Sinning with purpose is sinning with pleasure

[Always Believing]

Yes sir you are absolutely correct, so logically, who anointed him Al?

"When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “you made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of your servant, our father David:

“ ‘Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth rise up and the rulers band together against the Lord and against his anointed one.

Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed." (Acts 4.24-27)

That would be God the Sovereign Lord that made the heaven and earth which would be the Word that was God and made all things. He Himself was anointed as a man by God Himself. I have been anointed by Him and not by Myself because I am not God and a man as He was God and a man.

As a man He spoke of God being His God and still does ever since He became a man and was able to do so. Until then He could not speak of God as being His God, because He was the Word and God with God. Because He became a man I can also speak of His God being my God and Himself as being my Lord and God as Thomas did, although I have not seen him in person after His resurrection.

 

[MatthewG]

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left. (Heb 10.26)

I used to purposely sin for the pleasure of it, not I don't. Because of Jesus Christ living in me, I don't purpose it or enjoy it when I do.

He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. (Heb 11.25)

Before I believed Jesus is the Christ and my Savior I used to love to sin and to chase after sinning and didn't care if I was of the devil or not, but now I hate to sin and try not to sin. I don't do it deliberately anymore to enjoy it like before. That is how I know I am still saved while sinning, because I still believe Jesus is the Christ and is my Savior and I don't enjoy sinning anymore. I used to not care what pleased God or the devil but only myself. Now I care about how doing good pleases the Lord and sinning displeases my Lord. The unsaved are as I was purposely sinning for the pleasure of it but Christians are not willing to sin and we do it without pleasure.

There is no sacrifice for those who still enjoy sinning, because they don't want one because they still want to enjoy it. I used to be that way so I completely understand it. I have a sacrifice while sinning now which means I have no pleasure in it. That is how I am now resisting sinning rather than pursuing it. When I sin I am sill saved and thank God for it rather than toast the devil for the pleasure of it. I used to do that all the time as much as I could.

hello just would like to share some thoughts with you, quickly.

It is faith that pleases God. It’s not by doing good things; unless those good things you are doing all in the name of Christ. This would mean the good that is done comes by and through the Holy Spirit or you could say the spirit of Christ living with-in you if Christ does indeed dwell within which you have said you do believe that is great.

Therefore a person is saved by faith, which pleases God, and good things come from abiding in the Lord Jesus Christ whom provides for you the Holy Spirit which God helps us with when we ask Him. A description of the spirit is founded in Galatians 5.

That was all there was to share.

Thank you

 

[farouk]

hello just would like to share some thoughts with you, quickly.

It is faith that pleases God. It’s not by doing good things; unless those good things you are doing all in the name of Christ. This would mean the good that is done comes by and through the Holy Spirit or you could say the spirit of Christ living with-in you if Christ does indeed dwell within which you have said you do believe that is great.

Therefore a person is saved by faith, which pleases God, and good things come from abiding in the Lord Jesus Christ whom provides for you the Holy Spirit which God helps us with when we ask Him. A description of the spirit is founded in Galatians 5.

That was all there was to share.

Thank you

Hi @MatthewG Hebrews 11: "Without faith it is impossible to please Him".

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Yes but Judas did not confess nor repent of it either.

You see I am not talking about hating the results of sinning like all people can which I even used to hate after loving to do it. I now have no pleasure in it while doing it and so I do far less of it. And when I do I also do believe Jesus to confess to Him and be forgiven. I exercise myself in believing Him always so that when I sin I will also believe Him for confession and forgiveness and salvation.

Follow me on a journey in Scripture for a moment.

Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin.” (John 8:34) (NKJV).
“The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever.” (John 8:35) (ESV).

So we learn from John 8:34 that he that commits sin is a slave to sin. Meaning one will always keep sinning and they cannot stop because they are a slave to their sin. This sounds like your situation because you appear to imply by your words that you will never stop sinning (Note: Correct me if you feel I am wrong on that). Anyways, I get the impression by your words, that you are a slave to your sin because you cannot stop ever or you don’t believe you can ever stop sinning in this life (Note: Keep in mind that even the secular unbelieving world have programs to overcome certain sins like sexual addiction, drunkenness, anger issues, etcetera; How much more do you think God can change a person?).

Okay. So the slave in John 8:34 is a slave to their sin. Keep that in mind here.
So when we read John 8:35, we must understand what Jesus is really saying here.
Jesus is saying that the slave (i.e. the slave to sin) will not remain in the house forever.
Meaning, they will not abide in the house of Christ (or God) forever.

Now, follow me over to Matthew 13.

In Matthew 13:41-42, we read:

41 “The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”​

In other words, the Son of man (JESUS) will send forth his angels and they shall gather out of HIS KINGDOM them which do iniquity (sin) and they shall be cast into the furnace of fire (i.e. the Lake of Fire) where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Catch that? It’s saying the same thing as John 8:34-35.
The slave (i.e. the one who is a slave to their sin) will not abide in the house (i.e. Christ’s Kingdom) forever, but they will be gathered out by Christ’s angels and be cast into the furnace of fire. So Christians who believe they are slaves to their sin in this life will unfortunately be cast out by Christ’s angels at the Judgment.


Additional Side Note on John 8:35:

John 8:35 also says: The Son abides forever (John 8:35) (KJB).
Jesus abides forever. For Christ alone has immortality (1 Timothy 6:16). This is why we have to abide in Christ. He that has the Son has life, and he that has not the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12). The way we can have an assurance that we know the Son is if we find we are keeping His commandments (See: 1 John 2:3).
The person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4).
What truth is not in them? Jesus because Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). Is a person who is a slave to their sin and who is always breaking God’s commands truly keeping His commands? No. They are not.

I hope this helps, and may the Lord bless you and keep you (so as to truly keep His commands).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Yes but Judas did not confess nor repent of it either.

You see I am not talking about hating the results of sinning like all people can which I even used to hate after loving to do it. I now have no pleasure in it while doing it and so I do far less of it. And when I do I also do believe Jesus to confess to Him and be forgiven. I exercise myself in believing Him always so that when I sin I will also believe Him for confession and forgiveness and salvation.

If a husband cheated on his wife and he hated what he did and he just told his wife he was sorry every time he cheated on her, and yet he believed he could never stop cheating on her, would this truly matter to the wife? Would she want to stay with him despite his disloyalty? Even if he said that he hated cheating on her and she knew that he hated it, would it really matter if he told her that he could never stop? Would his apologies really matter? Would his hate and disgust of himself really matter to keep the relationship alive? Could the husband blame his wife for leaving him? No. Because he truly loves his sin more than his wife (even despite his hatred of what he was doing and despite his apologies). The fact that he never was willing to change shows that he does not really love her and wants to be loyal to her. People in life make it work to be faithful in real relationships. Why is it not the same with God? Again, what do you make of verses like 1 Peter 4:1-2, Galatians 5:24, and 2 Corinthians 7:1? They need to be addressed and or accepted. They cannot be ignored or changed to fit our own agenda or liking.

 

[Robert Gwin]

"When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “you made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of your servant, our father David:

“ ‘Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth rise up and the rulers band together against the Lord and against his anointed one.

Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed." (Acts 4.24-27)

That would be God the Sovereign Lord that made the heaven and earth which would be the Word that was God and made all things. He Himself was anointed as a man by God Himself. I have been anointed by Him and not by Myself because I am not God and a man as He was God and a man.

As a man He spoke of God being His God and still does ever since He became a man and was able to do so. Until then He could not speak of God as being His God, because He was the Word and God with God. Because He became a man I can also speak of His God being my God and Himself as being my Lord and God as Thomas did, although I have not seen him in person after His resurrection.

No sir, God has never been a man, but He did anoint Jesus. Do you know the name of the God of Jesus Al? Jesus made His name known Jn 17:26 and in teaching all the things Jesus commanded Mat 28:20 we his disciples make it known as well so that others can call on His name for salvation Romans 10:13-15

 

[Bible Highlighter]

No sir, God has never been a man, but He did anoint Jesus. Do you know the name of the God of Jesus Al? Jesus made His name known Jn 17:26 and in teaching all the things Jesus commanded Mat 28:20 we his disciples make it known as well so that others can call on His name for salvation Romans 10:13-15

False. God did become a man. The Word WAS God (John 1:1), and the Word was made flesh (John 1:14). God was manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16).

 

[Robert Gwin]

False. God did become a man. The Word WAS God (John 1:1), and the Word was made flesh (John 1:14). God was manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16).

If Jesus is God what hope do we have since he lied at Mk 10:40 and 13:32? Using altered Bibles is not proof BH. The original Bible does not say that, and it has been revealed so you either accept it or not sir.

 

[Always Believing]

No sir, God has never been a man, but He did anoint Jesus. Do you know the name of the God of Jesus Al? Jesus made His name known Jn 17:26 and in teaching all the things Jesus commanded Mat 28:20 we his disciples make it known as well so that others can call on His name for salvation Romans 10:13-15

Jesus is my Lord and my God. We don't have the same Jesus. Most teachings to me are just intellectual and can be interesting to learn or even disagree about but if your Jesus is not God, then there's really nothing to talk about. I don't want your Jesus no more than I want Buddha or Allah.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

If Jesus is God what hope do we have since he lied at Mk 10:40 and 13:32? Using altered Bibles is not proof BH. The original Bible does not say that, and it has been revealed so you either accept it or not sir.

You have placed yourself inside a hornets nest of confusion, and you are seeing error where none exists.

Mark 10:40
“But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.”

Mark 13:32
“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”

These are two unrelated things.

In Mark 10:40 Jesus is implying that it is the Father’s choice to give to who sits on His right hand and left. It does not mean Jesus does not have authority in other things at that time. Jesus was given all authority after His resurrection.

In Mark 13:32, Jesus is referring to how He does not know the day or the hour of His return. This unrelated to Mark 10:40. This also does not mean Jesus is not God, either (John 1:1, John 1:14, 1 Timothy 3:16). I believe the Word made flesh (Jesus) suppressed His Omniscience (i.e. His knowledge to know all things) before the foundation of the world. This was the glory that Jesus said He shared with the Father in John 17. For the Scriptures talk about the glory of the knowledge of the Lord. But of course this type of teaching is above your pay grade and you will of course reject it because of the church you belong to (i.e. the Jehovah’s Witnesses).

The JW religion is clearly false like Mormonism. They both came way later in history and they violate the warning in the book of Revelation not to add any words to the book of this prophecy. In other words, before these religions showed up, people would be believing falsely until their new revelation came. This is nonsense. Not only that, but these new religions violate the Word of God in many places. It’s simply deception in the highest order. In other words, you cannot trace the JW religion and Mormonism back to the early church in history. The beliefs are in crazy land thinking beyond what the Bible says.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

If Jesus is God what hope do we have since he lied at Mk 10:40 and 13:32? Using altered Bibles is not proof BH. The original Bible does not say that, and it has been revealed so you either accept it or not sir.

Westcott and Hort were the first diabolical duo to get others to start moving away from the King James Bible (Textus Receptus). Westcott and Hort were both into Catholicism. Their work (Greek text) was completed in 1881. Today, the Nestle and Aland Greek New Testament uses the Westcott and Hort text as it’s base although it made changes. The Nestle and Aland NT Greek text is under the direct influence of the Vatican. Most of all your Modern bibles use this Nestle and Aland text. The New World Translation is based upon the Westcott and Hort text of 1881. Even your own people will admit that, and Westcott and Hort were into Catholicism big time. So this just goes to show you from what kind of well you are drinking from.

Your New Testament translation (New World Translation) was not even finished until 1950. Your complete version of the Bible was not finished until 1961. Your religion was founded in a US city in the late 1800’s. You did not even have your own translation until almost a hundred years later. This is why the JW religion cannot be taken seriously.

Side Note:

The Critical Text (for the NT text that Westcott and Hort used) is based primarily on the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus. The Old Testament for the Critical Text is the Biblia Hebraica (Including your precious New World Translation) translated by a man named Rudolf Kittel (Note: He is not related to the reindeer). Rudolf Kittel was never mentioned as being a Bible believing Christian. Rudolph Kittel demonstrated antisemitic tendencies in private and popular expression (See Enyclopedia.com here to learn more about him). His son Gerhard Kittel was one of his closest aides on the translation and Gerhard turned out to be a Nazi in Hitler's movement.

Side Note 2:

You can read about your own New World Translation here:

New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures - Wikipedia

You will find that it did make updates in favoring the Nestle and Aland (Which was influenced by the Vatican).

The King James Bible was always hated by Catholics.
That’s one of the many of the reasons of why I stick with it.

Side Note 3:

While I am not saying I don’t use Modern bibles, the point is that they are not my final word of authority like the King James Bible. I only use Modern Bibles or look to the original languages so as to see what the KJB says (because the KJB was written in 1600’s English0.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

You have placed yourself inside a hornets nest of confusion, and you are seeing error where none exists.

Mark 10:40
“But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.”

Mark 13:32
“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”

These are two unrelated things.

In Mark 10:40 Jesus is implying that it is the Father’s choice to give to who sits on His right hand and left. It does not mean Jesus does not have authority in other things at that time. Jesus was given all authority after His resurrection.

In Mark 13:32, Jesus is referring to how He does not know the day or the hour of His return. This unrelated to Mark 10:40. This also does not mean Jesus is not God, either (John 1:1, John 1:14, 1 Timothy 3:16). I believe the Word made flesh (Jesus) suppressed His Omniscience (i.e. His knowledge to know all things) before the foundation of the world. This was the glory that Jesus said He shared with the Father in John 17. For the Scriptures talk about the glory of the knowledge of the Lord. But of course this type of teaching is above your pay grade and you will of course reject it because of the church you belong to (i.e. the Jehovah’s Witnesses).

The JW religion is clearly false like Mormonism. They both came way later in history and they violate the warning in the book of Revelation not to add any words to the book of this prophecy. In other words, before these religions showed up, people would be believing falsely until their new revelation came. This is nonsense. Not only that, but these new religions violate the Word of God in many places. It’s simply deception in the highest order. In other words, you cannot trace the JW religion and Mormonism back to the early church in history. The beliefs are in crazy land thinking beyond what the Bible says.

I know this is going to fall on deaf ears…

JW beleifs and “Mormonism” have very little in common besides being on Protestant hit lists. There’s no reason to mix them until or compare them.

 

[Always Believing]

I know this is going to fall on deaf ears…

JW beleifs and “Mormonism” have very little in common besides being on Protestant hit lists. There’s no reason to mix them until or compare them.

The only trouble I have with them is they on the whole think they have to convert Christians. Other than that plenty of them are good Christian citizens and neighbors. Other than the passivism part. I'm military all the way.

 

[Behold]

It is only when we stop our sinning that God holds back His wrath against us. .

God holds no Wrath against a Son/Daughter of Christ.
Jesus on THE CROSS, has already received the WRATH of God due us, the Believers.
The Born again, are the "beloved" and the "Bride".
Always Forgiven.

God's Wrath is against unbelief.

Find it here : John 3:36

 

[robert derrick]

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left. (Heb 10.26)

I used to purposely sin for the pleasure of it, not I don't. Because of Jesus Christ living in me, I don't purpose it or enjoy it when I do.

He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. (Heb 11.25)

Before I believed Jesus is the Christ and my Savior I used to love to sin and to chase after sinning and didn't care if I was of the devil or not, but now I hate to sin and try not to sin. I don't do it deliberately anymore to enjoy it like before. That is how I know I am still saved while sinning, because I still believe Jesus is the Christ and is my Savior and I don't enjoy sinning anymore. I used to not care what pleased God or the devil but only myself. Now I care about how doing good pleases the Lord and sinning displeases my Lord. The unsaved are as I was purposely sinning for the pleasure of it but Christians are not willing to sin and we do it without pleasure.

There is no sacrifice for those who still enjoy sinning, because they don't want one because they still want to enjoy it. I used to be that way so I completely understand it. I have a sacrifice while sinning now which means I have no pleasure in it. That is how I am now resisting sinning rather than pursuing it. When I sin I am sill saved and thank God for it rather than toast the devil for the pleasure of it. I used to do that all the time as much as I could.

Now this is certainly very interesting, and I've never quite heard it put this way. I do agree with the principle difference between loving to sin and hating to sin, but I always counted that as after the fact, because the pleasure of sinning is only for a sinning, and then comes the morning after.

Are you saying that while you are sinning, you are not enjoying it? What sinning are you talking about? Getting drunk? Fornicating? Stealing? I can believe it with the stealing, because Scripture speaks of how thieves can be almost excused for needing to eat. They don't like the stealing part, but do need to eat.

Do you have any Scripture that says enjoying sinning or not makes any difference to Jesus? Otherwise, you are adding your own interpretation of wilfilly sinning, rather than the simple one of doing something willingly, whether we like it or not, we are willing to do it. Not ignorantly.

However, there is this:

Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind.

Here we see willingly vs being forced into it, something we must do, but not really want to do, so in that case you could be correct, if you want to say the devil made me do it. You're doing it, but your heart and mind are not really in it.

I believe at least in part you may be right, in that Christians that sin can be doing so without gusto, although they can be the same for any sinner one earth.

It can also mean a Christian who has returned to the vomit like a dog all onboard for sinning again with abandonment of any pretense of the cross of Christ.

However, since sinning once with the devil is against God and has no forgiveness nor salvation, while willingly sinning, then the sacrifice of Christ to forgive sins is not present with that sinning soul that is, at that time, dead and separated from Christ.

I do agree you are correct at least about returning to our old life of all-out sinning, of liking it, loving it, and wanting more of it, without any regard to the will of the Lord.

 

[Behold]

Yes but Judas did not confess nor repent of it either.

Judas killed himself, before Jesus died on the Cross for His Sin.

 

[robert derrick]

I believe the Word made flesh (Jesus) suppressed His Omniscience (i.e. His knowledge to know all things) before the foundation of the world. This was the glory that Jesus said He shared with the Father in John 17. For the Scriptures talk about the glory of the knowledge of the Lord.

Now this is excellent. A very good insight how Jesus was indeed God in the flesh, but not God on the throne in the flesh.

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.

Having no reputation would be having no preknowledge of all things? But although He did not have all omniscience as He did the Word in the beginning, He still knew He was that Word and equal with God His Father on the throne is the eternal Spirit and Life:

For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us.

As a child He grew in grace and knowledge of the Lord: HE was just as much a baby as anyone else. He was not conscious of Himself in the womb nor before knowing it like any other child. He also learned however quickly the wisdom and truth of Scripture.

And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

This also agrees with the truth that Jesus was not as God on the throne in His glory, where He cannot be tempted at all, but was tempted in all points of all men with renewed but not perfected minds, where no tempting thoughts could appear at all.

Very good, thanks.

 

[Always Believing]

hello just would like to share some thoughts with you, quickly.

It is faith that pleases God. It’s not by doing good things; unless those good things you are doing all in the name of Christ. This would mean the good that is done comes by and through the Holy Spirit or you could say the spirit of Christ living with-in you if Christ does indeed dwell within which you have said you do believe that is great.

Therefore a person is saved by faith, which pleases God, and good things come from abiding in the Lord Jesus Christ whom provides for you the Holy Spirit which God helps us with when we ask Him. A description of the spirit is founded in Galatians 5.

That was all there was to share.

Thank you

Yes, it pleases God to confess our sinning to Him with faith in Jesus that He forgives and saves us. In this way we are not unbelievers that reject Jesus' price on the cross to forgive us. It also pleases Him when we do good because He wants us to like with any father and son.

A good father wants his son to do good, and a good father also wants his son to believe he can come and confess to him when the son disobeys. He doesn't want the son to think he will kill him rather than forgive him if he confesses it from the heart.

 

[Always Believing]

Judas killed himself, before Jesus died on the Cross for His Sin.

Judas killed himself because he hated himself for what he did that did not work out like he hoped.

See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son. Afterward, as you know, when he wanted to inherit this blessing, he was rejected. Even though he sought the blessing with tears, he could not change what he had done. (Heb 12.16-17)

Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.(2 Cor 7.10)

It had nothing to do with hating what he did and wanting to be forgiven for it. That is what made Peter different.

Judas no doubt enjoyed the power of what he was doing. He just didn't like the results and became an outcast from the disciples and the rulers.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

The only trouble I have with them is they on the whole think they have to convert Christians. Other than that plenty of them are good Christian citizens and neighbors. Other than the passivism part. I'm military all the way.

Military is one of the many areas of disagreement between JW and LDS Christians (“Mormons”). JW are anti nationalism, voting, military participation, etc. LDS Christians are pro being a part of your community/country (voting, flags, etc) and are ok with military participation (obviously still trying to avoid wars).

And every Christian person (regardless of denomination, so including LDS Christians and JW ) is tasked with preaching His Gospel. Preaching to atheists, members of other faiths, and other Christian denominations.