Advantages to Praying

[The Learner]

In Romans 8 we know that both Jesus and the Holy Spirit intercedes for us.
So, I ask them while praying to join us in prayer. As such, Revivals pop up around me wherever, I live. The park worship is now approaching 20,000 new belivers in Jesus.

 

[Wynona]

I like to ask the Holy Spirit to intercede through me too. How wonderful about the revival!!

 

[Aunty Jane]

In Romans 8 we know that both Jesus and the Holy Spirit intercedes for us.
So, I ask them while praying to join us in prayer. As such, Revivals pop up around me wherever, I live. The park worship is now approaching 20,000 new belivers in Jesus.

Can I ask you what it is that is being ‘revived’? What was dead or dying that needed ‘reviving’?

If you have 20,000 in a park claiming to be “believers”.....what do you call that? When Jesus preached to large crowds, he gave them time to assimilate what he was telling them whilst they still attended their synagogues. But after Jesus’ death and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, there was a clear drawing away from the Jewish religious system, so where did people go to worship their God and to further their knowledge of God’s word? They didn’t just keep going to the “park” (outdoor area) where Jesus preached, did they? He had left the earthly scene.....and Jesus had given them their assignment. (Matthew 10:11-14; Matthew 28:19-20: Matthew 24:14)

So what is a “believer” in your view? What is involved in being a “believer”? Is it more than mental acknowledgment? Is more required? If so what do you believe identifies one as a follower of Christ?

Please help me understand....

 

[quietthinker]

Can I ask you what it is that is being ‘revived’? What was dead or dying that needed ‘reviving’?

If you have 20,000 in a park claiming to be “believers”.....what do you call that? When Jesus preached to large crowds, he gave them time to assimilate what he was telling them whilst they still attended their synagogues. But after Jesus’ death and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, there was a clear drawing away from the Jewish religious system, so where did people go to worship their God and to further their knowledge of God’s word? They didn’t just keep going to the “park” (outdoor area) where Jesus preached, did they? He had left the earthly scene.....and Jesus had given them their assignment. (Matthew 10:11-14; Matthew 28:19-20: Matthew 24:14)

So what is a “believer” in your view? What is involved in being a “believer”? Is it more than mental acknowledgment? Is more required? If so what do you believe identifies one as a follower of Christ?

Please help me understand....

well, if we believed what you tell us in your posts, I'm sure we'd qualify!

 

[The Learner]

Can I ask you what it is that is being ‘revived’? What was dead or dying that needed ‘reviving’?

If you have 20,000 in a park claiming to be “believers”.....what do you call that? When Jesus preached to large crowds, he gave them time to assimilate what he was telling them whilst they still attended their synagogues. But after Jesus’ death and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, there was a clear drawing away from the Jewish religious system, so where did people go to worship their God and to further their knowledge of God’s word? They didn’t just keep going to the “park” (outdoor area) where Jesus preached, did they? He had left the earthly scene.....and Jesus had given them their assignment. (Matthew 10:11-14; Matthew 28:19-20: Matthew 24:14)

So what is a “believer” in your view? What is involved in being a “believer”? Is it more than mental acknowledgment? Is more required? If so what do you believe identifies one as a follower of Christ?

Please help me understand....

A large group of Christians from many denominations praying using Romans 8.
Meetings in the Park are at Sunrise everyday this Summer. Experienced Christians at every meeting to answer questions and pray with people. Advertizing. We invite Spirit Filled Pastors to preach. Before him I lead the group Bible Study. We have people who speak forgein lanuages. We only teach and preach about Jesus. After conversion we talk with them to determine their personaility and introduce them to those from churches that meet their personality. They are then invited to join them for Sunday or Saturday Worship. Many will come back to our park worship to lead others to Jesus. Short answer, prayer, Spirit filled and one on one discussion after worship. When cultist join us, myself and others who are experienced in handling and witnessing to them meet with them in small groups and invite them to home Bible Studies. When someone goes to one of the Churches they are invited and lead to join home Bible Studies. We learned this apporach from reading D.L. Moody's books.

 

[The Learner]

When I was in the USAF, Where ever they sent me a revival reaching those in the cults broke out. Oficers who were Atheists or Cultists were very unhappy and looked for ways to have me transfered thinking that would end the revivals. They were wrong because I trained non-military people to carry it on.

 

[Aunty Jane]

A large group of Christians from many denominations praying using Romans 8.
Meetings in the Park are at Sunrise everyday this Summer. Experienced Christians at every meeting to answer questions and pray with people. Advertizing. We invite Spirit Filled Pastors to preach. Before him I lead the group Bible Study. We have people who speak forgein lanuages. We only teach and preach about Jesus. After conversion we talk with them to determine their personaility and introduce them to those from churches that meet their personality. They are then invited to join them for Sunday or Saturday Worship. Many will come back to our park worship to lead others to Jesus. Short answer, prayer, Spirit filled and one on one discussion after worship. When cultist join us, myself and others who are experienced in handling and witnessing to them meet with them in small groups and invite them to home Bible Studies. When someone goes to one of the Churches they are invited and lead to join home Bible Studies. We learned this apporach from reading D.L. Moody's books.

Why do you think that revival events attract people? What are they looking for? (especially in these critical times?)

When you say that you "only teach and preach Jesus", does that mean that you leave his Father out of the discussions?

I am assuming that "non-denominational" worship must of necessity refrain from bringing up divisive topics? Since non-denominational churches don't talk about these issues, where do people go to bring them up and discuss them without fear of rejection or ridicule?
Pretending that they are not there, does not make them go away....
e.g. how do non-denominational churches tackle the sensitive issue of sexuality which in this day and age is becoming quite acceptable in some churches?
Are political issues to divide a church when Jesus told us to be "NO PART" of the world?
Who did he say was ruling this world? (1 John 5:19)

Can I also ask what you mean by "cultists"?

When I was in the USAF, Where ever they sent me a revival reaching those in the cults broke out.

Again I have to ask why a Christian would be in the military? If we are not to use weapons, and to "love our enemies", how do you marry these two opposite agendas? (Matthew 5:43-44) Can a Christian be a patriot without violating Jesus' teachings? Where should our loyalties lie? What was the first century model?

Oficers who were Atheists or Cultists were very unhappy and looked for ways to have me transfered thinking that would end the revivals. They were wrong because I trained non-military people to carry it on.

Nothing should prevent Christians from carrying out the preaching work that Christ said he would support, (Matthew 28:19-20) but I have no scripture that tells me that Christ's disciples were ever in the military. Historically, they would rather die than kill....

What are your thoughts on these things?

 

[The Learner]

Centering on Jesus is centering on the Gospel. It is teaching what is basic information on what is needed to come to Jesus. I teach on the Trinty, Ethics and Prayer in the home bible study I am involved with.

Why do you think that revival events attract people? What are they looking for? (especially in these critical times?)

When you say that you "only teach and preach Jesus", does that mean that you leave his Father out of the discussions?

I am assuming that "non-denominational" worship must of necessity refrain from bringing up divisive topics? Since non-denominational churches don't talk about these issues, where do people go to bring them up and discuss them without fear of rejection pr ridicule?
Pretending that they are not there, does not make them go away....
e.g. how do non-denominational churches tackle the sensitive issue of sexuality which in this day and age is becoming quite acceptable in some churches?
Are political issues to divide a church when Jesus told us to be "NO PART" of the world?
Who did he say was ruling this world? (1 John 5:19)

Can I also ask what you mean by "cultists"?


Again I have to ask why a Christian would be in the military? If we are not to use weapons, and to "love our enemies", how do you marry these two opposite agendas? (Matthew 5:43-44) Can a Christian be a patriot without violating Jesus' teachings? Where should our loyalties lie? What was the first century model?


Nothing should prevent Christians from carrying out the preaching work that Christ said he would support, (Matthew 28:19-20) but I have no scripture that tells me that Christ's disciples were ever in the military. Historically, they would rather die than kill....

What are your thoughts on these things?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Centering on Jesus is centering on the Gospel. It is teaching what is basic information on what is needed to come to Jesus. I teach on the Trinty, Ethics and Prayer in the home bible study I am involved with.

And the other issues? How do you handle them?

 

[The Learner]

And the other issues? How do you handle them?

In small group discussions after the Worship is over.

 

[Aunty Jane]

In small group discussions after the Worship is over.

Do you have questions put to you from truth seekers that you have difficulty answering?
For example, when I was searching for the truth, I wanted to know what I was praying for in the Lord’s Prayer. What was God’s Kingdom? How does it “come”? When will God’s will “be done on earth as it is in heaven”?
How would you answer those questions?
I had a million of them....

 

[The Learner]

Do you have questions put to you from truth seekers that you have difficulty answering?
For example, when I was searching for the truth, I wanted to know what I was praying for in the Lord’s Prayer. What was God’s Kingdom? How does it “come”? When will God’s will “be done on earth as it is in heaven”?
How would you answer those questions?
I had a million of them....

Our Father in heaven: May your holy name be honored; may your

ME: God is to be respected.

Kingdom come; may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Me: Kingdom is simply God's ruling on earth.
BibleGateway - Keyword Search: Kingdom


Give us today the food we need. Forgive us the wrongs we have done, as we forgive the wrongs that others have done to us.

Do not bring us to hard testing, but keep us safe from the Evil One.
ME: God puts up a fortress around us to protect us from Satan. See Aroumor of God.

Good News Translation (GNT), Matthew 6:9-13

Read more at: https://www.lords-prayer-words.com/lord_contemporary_message_bible.html#good

 

[Aunty Jane]

Our Father in heaven: May your holy name be honored;

ME: God is to be respected.

Since God’s holy name is not known or uttered in the churches of Christendom, how does one honor a name that they never use? Do you know why God’s name was lost to humanity?

may your Kingdom come; may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Me: Kingdom is simply God's ruling on earth.
BibleGateway - Keyword Search: Kingdom

How and when does the Kingdom "come"? And what does it accomplish?
We are told to preach "the good news (gospel) of the Kingdom" in all the world.....(Matthew 24:14; Matthew 28:19-20)
What is the gospel of the Kingdom exactly?

Give us today the food we need. Forgive us the wrongs we have done, as we forgive the wrongs that others have done to us.

Yes, interesting that its just our "daily bread", and we are told not to worry about tomorrow....just to take one day at a time. Great advice that.

And also interesting that God's forgiveness of our sins is dependent upon how well we forgive others.

Do not bring us to hard testing, but keep us safe from the Evil One.
ME: God puts up a fortress around us to protect us from Satan.

The evil one even tried to tempt Jesus.....all he wanted was one act of worship and all the Kingdoms of the world would be given to Jesus then and there....imagine the gall....and Jesus did not deny that all those kingdoms were in the devil's possession. Who gave those worldly kingdoms to satan, and why? Do you know?

 

[The Learner]

Since God’s holy name is not known or uttered in the churches of Christendom, how does one honor a name that they never use? Do you know why God’s name was lost to humanity?

Many churches today do not speak Hebrew. Also, it is a serious sin to pronounce his name. It is Yahweh, not Jehovah wich is a very poor translation.

 

[The Learner]

Since God’s holy name is not known or uttered in the churches of Christendom, how does one honor a name that they never use? Do you know why God’s name was lost to humanity?


How and when does the Kingdom "come"? And what does it accomplish?
We are told to preach "the good news (gospel) of the Kingdom" in all the world.....(Matthew 24:14; Matthew 28:19-20)
What is the gospel of the Kingdom exactly?


Yes, interesting that its just our "daily bread", and we are told not to worry about tomorrow....just to take one day at a time. Great advice that.

And also interesting that God's forgiveness of our sins is dependent upon how well we forgive others.


The evil one even tried to tempt Jesus.....all he wanted was one act of worship and all the Kingdoms of the world would be given to Jesus then and there....imagine the gall....and Jesus did not deny that all those kingdoms were in the devil's possession. Who gave those worldly kingdoms to satan, and why? Do you know?

When Satan is called the god of this world, it only applies spiritually to the unsaved. He has no domain over believers. He does not own the political kingdoms. He is an liar from the beginning. The Kingdom of God is now present in Jesus thru the Cross.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Many churches today do not speak Hebrew. Also, it is a serious sin to pronounce his name. It is Yahweh, not Jehovah wich is a very poor translation.

That is an interesting comment...who told you that it is a sin to pronounce the divine name?

Since Yahweh (Jehovah is the English translation) is the one who revealed his name to his people, and he told them that this was to be his name “forever” and it was to be “mentioned” throughout their generations, (Exodus 3:13-15) why did the Jews stop using it? The reason is important because the loss of God’s name has led to all manner of misinterpretation in the scriptures, confusing the Lord Yahweh with the Lord Jesus. Who did Jesus say was “the only true God”? (John 17:3)

The Jews misinterpreted one of the Ten Commandments as an excuse to break God’s stated command. Ironic...no? Apparently, there was an abuse of God’s name by way of making oaths in a frivolous way in God’s name, and then not honouring them, thereby bringing reproach upon God’s name....using it in a worthless way. The Jewish leaders came to the conclusion that eliminating the divine name from their speech would eliminate this practice. But God had already said that his name was to be “mentioned” but not “taken in vain”.
How did they not know that it was not the name, but the way it was used that was the problem?

There was no valid reason to remove God’s name from their speech because the Jewish leaders should have taken offenders to task over their breaches of the Law. The saddest part is that it then came to be removed from later translations of the Bible into various languages. You are hard pressed to find a Bible that includes the divine name almost 7,000 times where it appears in the Hebrew scriptures.

The Jewish Tanakh follows the Jewish tradition of leaving God’s name out of their speech but leaving it in the written text. They substitute Adonai (Lord) for the Tetragrammaton when reading their scripture aloud.

As the originator of language, Yahweh/Jehovah knows his name in all languages. “Jesus” for example is not his Hebrew name and if people hold the belief that Jesus is God, how can you call Jesus by his English name but not the Father? How is that consistent?

When Satan is called the god of this world, it only applies spiritually to the unsaved. He has no domain over believers. He does not own the political kingdoms. He is an liar from the beginning. The Kingdom of God is now present in Jesus thru the Cross.

Actually it is because satan is the ruler of this world that we need to be especially cautious. We are his targets after all....the unsaved are already his.

If you read in Luke 4:5-7 you will see an admission by satan that Jesus did not deny.

“And he led Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said to Him, “I will give You all this domain and its glory, for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I want. Therefore if You worship before me, it shall all be Yours.” (NASB)

He was indeed in possession of all the Kingdoms of the world....God handed them over to him to prove his claims of being a better god and ruler of mankind.....why do you think governments are so corrupt?

You see, understanding “why” things are said in the scriptures is as important as hearing “what” is said. All that we believe must of necessity agree with what all of scripture teaches. And we must teach one truth, in agreement with one another. (1 Corinthians 1:10)

Being a student of God’s word is wonderful, but being a teacher of it is a big responsibility....we have to know what it says.....otherwise we end up like the Pharisees...teaching what is not truth and leading others in a wrong direction. (Matthew 23:13-15)

 

[farouk]

In Romans 8 we know that both Jesus and the Holy Spirit intercedes for us.
So, I ask them while praying to join us in prayer. As such, Revivals pop up around me wherever, I live. The park worship is now approaching 20,000 new belivers in Jesus.

Similarly in Hebrews 7.25 we read that the Lord Jesus 'ever liveth to make intercession' for His people...

 

[The Learner]

I have limited time. I was taught in Hebrew School.

"On the one hand, it is clear that by the late second-temple period, there was among many Jews an (apparently growing) avoidance of pronouncing YHWH. Among frequently cited evidence, note how the LXX renders Leviticus 24:16. Whereas the Hebrew text of this verse forbids blaspheming God’s name, the Greek text forbids pronouncing it. Likewise, in the list of offences and punishments in the Qumran community text, 1QS (6:27–7:2), uttering the divine name (“which is honoured above all”) results in a permanent exclusion. And in the Mishnah also (10.1), albeit later in date, uttering the divine name is one of the crimes that excludes a Jew from “the world to come”.
...
In very early (pre-Christian) Greek biblical manuscripts, there is likewise a variety of practice exhibited. In some cases, YHWH is written in Hebrew characters, which again has the effect of setting it off visually from the surrounding Greek text. It is interesting that in at least some of these instances (e.g., P. Fouad 266 b) where the copyist of the Greek biblical text left a blank space for someone subsequently to insert the divine name in Hebrew, the space is more adequate for ca. six characters. The result is that when the four letters of YHWH were written in, there is extra space left. This may suggest that the copyist of the Greek text was thinking of sufficient space for the Greek word “Kyrios,” because it was familiar to him as a common oral substitute for the divine name, a practice for which (as noted already) Philo gives evidence.

In one Greek copy of Leviticus from Qumran (4QpapLXXLev b), we have an instance where YHWH is written in Greek letters as IAO. In another (later) Greek biblical manuscript likely of Jewish provenance, P.Oxyrhynchus 656, at a few places we read “Theos” where the Masoretic Hebrew text has YHWH.

So, in sum, we have a variety of copying practices, including writing YHWH in one or another special ways, or using dots or some other word in its place, and also a (growing?) scruple against pronouncing YHWH, and so a usage of oral substitutes such as “Adonay” in Hebrew, “Kyrios” in Greek (and also “Mar” in Aramaic, as noted by Fitzmyer)."
Writing & Pronouncing the Divine Name in Second-Temple Jewish Tradition

That is an interesting comment...who told you that it is a sin to pronounce the divine name?

 

[The Learner]

Should We Pronounce the Divine Name?

 

[The Learner]

yeah here