The Mystery of Abraham's Works that do and don't Justify

[Michiah-Imla]

I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock

So true.

Too bad a false doctrine has you looking in the wrong direction…

 

[Behold]

You have no scriptural rebuttals.

You're not being honest.
Ive shown you plenty.
You are too busy posting cartoons and funny little emojis to notice.
As that is the mind of a child doing that, and you wear it well, fella.

Here are a few ive previously posted to YOU.

Philippias 1:6.

"God is faithful to complete the salvation in all the Born again".

Hebrews 12:2. Jesus finishes our faith.

2 Timothy 2:13 teaches that if we have NOT FAITH, after we are born again...then this does not affect our Salvation, because GOD IS FAITHFUL TO US...

How?

Philippians 1:6

"God who started Salvation in the born again, will HIMSELF be FAITHFUL. TO:....>COMPLETE IT">

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You're a liar.

Philippias 1:6.

"God is faithful to complete the salvation in all the Born again".

Hebrews 12:2. Jesus finishes our faith.

2 Timothy 2:13 teaches that if we have NOT FAITH, after we are born again...then this does not affect our Salvation, because GOD IS FAITHFUL TO US...

Philippians 1:6

"God who started Salvation in the born again, will HIMSELF be FAITHFUL. TO:....>COMPLETE IT">

AND ALL THAT IS CONDITIONAL ON THIS:


“…Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Romans 11:20-21)

 

[Behold]

“But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; (Luke 12:45-46)

Your verse is not speaking to the born again. Its speaking to a servant.

Paul teaches that we are not servants, but SONS. Galatians 4:7

"son of God". = born again.

I think you are that very deceived servant, Michiah-Imal according to your gospel of Works.. so you should worry.
Really.
And its a shame that you have taught your children this false gospel, as you stated.

 

[Behold]

“…Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Romans 11:20-21)

If they have unbelief as Paul taught about the Nation of Israel (Hebews-Jews) who rejected their Messiah.

A born again Christian, has not done this, they have already believed and are born again.... so, they are not connected to your verse, that you will never understand.
I think you are connected to it, according to your posts and theology.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Your verse is not speaking to the born again

Oh it sure is!

Its speaking to a servant.

Yes!

A SERVANT OF JESUS CHRIST!

Paul teaches that we are not servants, but SONS. Galatians 4:7

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36)

 

[Behold]

“ WITH the unbelievers.” (Luke 12:45-46)

Christians ARE SONS of God... and that verse is talking about a servant.
That verse was given BEFORE Christ Died on the Cross, and is not talking to Christians, who are created AFTER Jesus died on the Cross.
So, its talking to JEWS..
You are so deceived.

Listen...

"unbelievers' are NEVER born again........

Christians have already become Born again.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Paul taught about the Nation of Israel (Hebews-Jews) who rejected their Messiah.

The JEWS again huh?

It’s clear that Paul is contrasting between the unbelievers and believers in advising us not to be highminded. You are lying to yourself and others.

A born again Christian, has not done this, so, they are not connected to your verse

Paul is warning believers not to be proud over the unbelievers because we can be cut off with them as well.

Your false doctrine has you saying some crazy things man!

 

[Behold]

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36)

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A jew (unbelievers)who is a "servant", in your verse, is not a (disciple of Christ) as that is the distinction between a Jew "servant", and a Disciple of Christ who serves, based on becoming a SON. (Believers).

The Kingdom of God is within all the born again. Luke 17:2

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Christians have already become Born again.

And they will have their portion WITH the unbelievers if they turn back again to sin.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

A jew who is a "servant", in your verse, is not a (disciple of Christ)

“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,” (Romans 1:1)

 

[Behold]

The JEWS again huh?

!

Yes.

See, Jesus came for the JEWS..........the House of Israel.
This is why all the apostles are JEWS, and Jesus is a JEW... and even at Pentecost, its all JEWS.

You dont know this because you dont know any Bible, but you like to pretend.
The good thing is, the more you post, the more you are revealed.
And apparently you dont have the good sense to realize this yet...
Others here have.
Believe it.

 

[Behold]

And they will have their portion WITH the unbelievers if they turn back again to sin.

"if they turn their back" is your adding your DECEPTION to the VERSE, as your words are not in the verse, deceiver.

Keep it up.
Your mouth is your not your friend, and you dont realize what you reveal about yourself every time you open it when you talk to me, here on the forum.

Did you want to keep writing your own bible for us?
No doubt you will.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I'm often reminded of these words from the apostle Paul in Acts 20:28-31 - Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.

I think this apostasy that Paul prophesied about eventually evolved into the Catholic church.

 

[Robert Gwin]

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

We see in Romans 3, the first question of how it profits to have been a natural Jew born under the law, even though neither Jew nor Gentile is justified by Christ without faith.

What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

We see in Romans 4, the question pertaining to Abraham himself after the flesh.

The context of these two chapters therefore pertains to the flesh, and so works of the flesh as by law, such as outward circumcision.

For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

No outward deed of the law justifies any man, including Abraham, as though any man could boast by not breaking the law and the covenant, such as by not being circumcised in the flesh on the 8th day according to the law.

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

We see in James 1-2 however, that the context is that of faith and works of faith, which Abraham is the father of and called a Friend of God.

No man is justified by any obedient work of the flesh as by law, such as outward circumcision.

But the work of faith as by love, which was against the flesh in offering up his only son Isaac, is what justifies all men by faith: works of the law are of the flesh, but works of faith are against the flesh.

No man is justified by the deeds of the law in the flesh, but all men are justified by the works of faith that crucify the flesh for Jesus' sake.

Jesus said rather clearly, those doing the will of Jehovah are those who will be saved Mat 7:21. As long as our faith is not misplaced as were those listed in that verse that was rejected, then yes our works of faith will be what saves us.

 

[Behold]

“But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion WITH the unbelievers.” (Luke 12:45-46)

Here is how you understand it..

Jesus came to the House of Israel., not to the Gentiles.
So, when you read parable, that are related to Jews, that are given before the CROSS of Christ is raised, then you have to "rightly divided" these verses in LIGHT of the Cross.
You don't know this.. and that is one of the reasons you are so theologically subverted regarding your idea of : Salvation.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You dont know this because you dont know any Bible, but you like to pretend.

“He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.” (Proverbs 29:1)

 

[Behold]

I think this apostasy that Paul prophesied about eventually evolved into the Catholic church.

Twisting Grace into "self saving" and "works" is the theological hallmark of a devil operated denomination or person.
Included the CC.
In fact, their very Council of Trent teaches that if you preach that "Justification by faith" without works is the TRUE Gospel, then you are "anathema "

"cursed of God'.

So, can you imagine that the largest cult on the Planet, other then Agnostics and Atheists, or ISLAM, teaches that Paul's Gospel is "anathema"..
Its a fact.
This is why they run to PETER< as Peter talks about water in Acts 2, which is the Catholic Salvation Theology.

"born again BY water". = baptismal regeneration.

 

[mailmandan]

Here is how you understand it..

Jesus came to the House of Israel., not to the Gentiles.
So, when you read parable, that are related to Jews, that are given before the CROSS of Christ is raised, then you have to "rightly divided" these verses in LIGHT of the Cross.
You don't know this.. and that is one of the reasons you are so theologically subverted regarding your idea of : Salvation.

Prior to the Church, the body of Christ, you do have a point about 'servants' in connection with the Israelites.

The children of Israel were called "servants," but they were not all saved.

Leviticus 25:55 - For the children of Israel are servants to Me; they are My servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt.

Jude 1:5 - Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, (the Israelites) but later destroyed those who did not believe.

Nehemiah 1:6 - please let Your ear be attentive and Your eyes open, that You may hear the prayer of Your servant which I pray before You now, day and night, for the children of Israel Your servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel which we have sinned against You. Both my father’s house and I have sinned.

Isaiah 43:10 - “You (Israel vs. 1) are My witnesses,” says the Lord, And My servant whom I have chosen..

 

[Behold]

“He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.” (Proverbs 29:1)

IM teaching that God who saved the born again Through Christ, keeps them saved.
Paul teaches this same, as "The Grace of God"
You are teaching that unless you are good enough and hold unto your faith, YOU lose what GOD has accomplished through Christ.
So, that is you teaching that you have more power then God has, through Christ.

And you think im "looney"?
Fella, your looney is off the chain.
You are : gone.