Faith Alone Theology: I'm not what I do, but only what I say I am

[robert derrick]

Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.

It's really just that simple. God says we are what we do, and vain man says he is not what he is doing, but only what he is thinks and says he is.

All of OSAS theology is about rejecting James 2:24, and trying to make an childish imagination into truth, that what a person thinks of himself is more important than what he do is doing.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

He that is committing sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Whosoever is born of God is not committing sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Faith alone says, "I'm not a child of the devil while sinning with the devil, because I say I am a son of God."

Neither God nor serious adults believe that for one second.

Simply put, according to God and reasonable men, we are exactly what we are doing. Whether we are forgiven or not afterward, does not change what we are while doing it.

While I am lying, I am a liar. While I am fornicating, I am a fornicator. While thieving, I am a thief. While doing righteousness, I am righteousness, even as He is righteous.

Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech.

All the kings horses and all the kings men of pretty speeches and theological words will never change it: we are what we are doing.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED language is much like Political Language.

“Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable and to give the appearance of solidity to pure wind.”


George Orwell

 

[Robert Gwin]

Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.

It's really just that simple. God says we are what we do, and vain man says he is not what he is doing, but only what he is thinks and says he is.

All of OSAS theology is about rejecting James 2:24, and trying to make an childish imagination into truth, that what a person thinks of himself is more important than what he do is doing.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

He that is committing sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Whosoever is born of God is not committing sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Faith alone says, "I'm not a child of the devil while sinning with the devil, because I say I am a son of God."

Neither God nor serious adults believe that for one second.

Simply put, according to God and reasonable men, we are exactly what we are doing. Whether we are forgiven or not afterward, does not change what we are while doing it.

While I am lying, I am a liar. While I am fornicating, I am a fornicator. While thieving, I am a thief. While doing righteousness, I am righteousness, even as He is righteous.

Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech.

All the kings horses and all the kings men of pretty speeches and theological words will never change it: we are what we are doing.

(James 2:18) . . .Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.”

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Faith alone says, "I'm not a child of the devil while sinning with the devil, because I say I am a son of God."

Yes, and John uses the same word, SAY, and SAYS in 1 John 1 and 2 to contrast those who talk but don't walk. All the verses that use 'say' in 1 John 1 are not a Christian and still have sin in them, never having confessed their sin and been cleansed of ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. And the same goes for 1 John 2 and the word, 'says.'

But again the false teachers twist the meaning to justify sin in their lives.

1 John 1:

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

6 If we SAY that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we WALK in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we SAY that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we SAY that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 2:
The Test of Knowing Him
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who SAYS, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who SAYS he abides in Him ought himself also to WALK just as He walked.

7 Brethren, I write no new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you heard from the beginning. 8 Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.

9 He who SAYS he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. 10 He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. 11 But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

 

[robert derrick]

Yes, and John uses the same word, SAY, and SAYS in 1 John 1 and 2 to contrast those who talk but don't walk. All the verses that use 'say' in 1 John 1 are not a Christian and still have sin in them, never having confessed their sin and been cleansed of ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. And the same goes for 1 John 2 and the word, 'says.'

But again the false teachers twist the meaning to justify sin in their lives.

1 John 1:

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

6 If we SAY that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we WALK in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we SAY that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we SAY that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 2:
The Test of Knowing Him
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who SAYS, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who SAYS he abides in Him ought himself also to WALK just as He walked.

7 Brethren, I write no new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you heard from the beginning. 8 Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.

9 He who SAYS he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. 10 He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. 11 But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

Now that is a good explanation. I have been noticing the same thing, how the conversation shifts from those have fellowshipping and walking in the Light with Jesus and one another, to those who are talking about it only, and yet not doing it.

Very good.

And so, the humility of John is to include himself in the possibility of finding himself only talking the talk without walking the walk.

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Excellent point you make, and it believe perfectly sums up the teaching of I John 1. Thanks much.

 

[robert derrick]

But again the false teachers twist the meaning to justify sin in their lives.

1 John 1:

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

6 If we SAY that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we WALK in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we SAY that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we SAY that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 2:
The Test of Knowing Him
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who SAYS, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who SAYS he abides in Him ought himself also to WALK just as He walked.

7 Brethren, I write no new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you heard from the beginning. 8 Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.

9 He who SAYS he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. 10 He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. 11 But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

They also use it to condemn any saint, that does not also proclaim themselves sinners as themselves.

Only now, they seem to want a different image, so they switch to not being sinners anymore, by redefining unrighteous works of the flesh into something other than sin against God, when they do it.

Now that they want to claim doctrinal purity, their works of the flesh aren't as sinful as others.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

They also use it to condemn any saint, that does not also proclaim themselves sinners as themselves.

Yes, their teachers tell them anyone who claims to be free from sin as 1 John 1:9 promises, claims to NOT NEED JESUS.

 

[robert derrick]

Yes, their teachers tell them anyone who claims to be free from sin as 1 John 1:9 promises, claims to NOT NEED JESUS.

That's because they only need Jesus to not judge them for their continued sinning.

They don't need Jesus not to sin, because they don't want Him for that.

Truly, all they want is a dead Jesus on the cross of thousands of years ago, to claim pre-forgiveness of all their sinning today and tomorrow. They don't want a resurrected Jesus living within them, to receive divine power to not be sinning today and tomorrow.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That's because they only need Jesus to not judge them for their continued sinning.

They don't need Jesus not to sin, because they don't want Him for that.

Truly, all they want is a dead Jesus on the cross of thousands of years ago, to claim pre-forgiveness of all their sinning today and tomorrow. They don't want a resurrected Jesus living within them, to receive divine power to not be sinning today and tomorrow.

Exactly. It is sad, but read Revelation 3:1 to the church of Sardis. That first verse is about this false doctrine being taught in the Church, because that is what Calvinism teaches -. But further in the letter about verse 4, are those who teach like you and I do - holiness.

 

[robert derrick]

Exactly. It is sad, but read Revelation 3:1 to the church of Sardis. That first verse is about this false doctrine being taught in the Church, because that is what Calvinism teaches -. But further in the letter about verse 4, are those who teach like you and I do - holiness.

I really haven't looked at that verse, which is perfect for them naming His name while deny Him in works, and so having eternal life forever by faith dead faith alone.

But how is it from Calvin?

Also, you are correct about living righteously in true holiness clothed in white, being necessary to be righteous and truly holy in Christ. God's faith and righteousness is never without the doing of it, inwardly and outwardly. It also rejects the the foolishness of having no part nor worth in our salvation:

Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

We are forgiven of sins by faith in Jesus, because He was worthy to die for our sins on His cross for our sakes. We are justified by Christ and made worthy of Him by dying to our old lives of sin on our own cross for His sake.

I believe being made righteous and being made worthy to walk with Jesus in white is the same thing: being cleansed and justified by works of faith through His eternal Spirit.

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

 

[Behold]

Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

The Devil counterfeits God.
His ministers pretend to do good works, and all they talk about is WORKS.

You can never trust good works as proof that a person is born again, as the devil's people and the devil's preachers, and teachers, will FAKE FRUIT.
They will fake it.
They will speak "christianese, because they KNOW you are looking for this as "proof".
So you have to be aware of how the Devil understands exactly what you think and believe you are supposed to LOOK FOR in a "christian"... as He will counterfeit it......and fool you.
He read the bible before you showed up.
Believe it.
He's very SMART and very CLEVER and very EVIL.

Here is how you find the fakiers.. And it can be that they are born again, but they are not to be trusted, as if they can't understand Salvation then you can't listen to them when they Teach......no matter the biblical topic.

Simply find out if they believe they can "lose their Salvation", and if they believe this, then their faith is subverted, their theology is deceived, and they will harm your faith if you listen to them. As that is all they are programmed to do.
That's a fact.

Real Believers, give God Praise for the Gift of Salvation, understanding that the CROSS ALONE is God's eternal provision and not their self effort that He accepts to accept them.
God's provision is one .... =One provision He provided to get us into Heaven.... and we can't do it. its this. John 14:6
If we could do that, then Jesus could have stayed in Heaven.

So, when a person does not understand the CROSS, they write a lot of words about self effort, as they have nothing to say about the Cross,.
Why ?
Because the CROSS denies your self effort to try to be good enough or pure enough, to TRY to get God to accept you and keep you.
The Cross denies your works that a Deceiver will tell you are required, or God wont have you.

The WORK that God will accept is Christ on the Cross DYING FOR YOU.

=if you can match that work of Christ on the CROSS. then keep trying to work your way in to heaven.. Keep trying to get God to accept you by your commandment keeping and your works., and you will find out the hard way how that worked out for you, when you DIE.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I really haven't looked at that verse, which is perfect for them naming His name while deny Him in works, and so having eternal life forever by faith dead faith alone.

But how is it from Calvin?

Also, you are correct about living righteously in true holiness clothed in white, being necessary to be righteous and truly holy in Christ. God's faith and righteousness is never without the doing of it, inwardly and outwardly. It also rejects the the foolishness of having no part nor worth in our salvation:

Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

We are forgiven of sins by faith in Jesus, because He was worthy to die for our sins on His cross for our sakes. We are justified by Christ and made worthy of Him by dying to our old lives of sin on our own cross for His sake.

I believe being made righteous and being made worthy to walk with Jesus in white is the same thing: being cleansed and justified by works of faith through His eternal Spirit.

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Luther, one of the original church fathers of the Reformation (Sardis) said in a letter that "even if we committed murder and adultery 1000 times a day we could not be separated from God" - basically a dead doctrine of demons. However modern Lutherans do not believe in OSAS. However, they avoid teaching on the Holy Spirit, and thus join Calvin's cessationism.

Calvin is attributed to starting the doctrine of OSAS, the preservation of the elect. They do not believe in free will, but the the elect will be saved no matter what they do. Calvin also started the doctrine of the cessation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, another doctrine of demons. However, in the 20th century a small number of Lutheran churches joined the Charismatic movement and spoke in tongues.

Both of these men I believe were what Jesus was speaking against when He said, you have a name that you are alive but you are dead.

200 years later, still in the age of the Protestant Reformation, John Wesley taught against Calvinism and started teaching on holiness, the precursor to the first Pentecostals

Therefore, he fits Jesus saying, You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy.

 

[Behold]

Luther, one of the original church fathers of the Reformation (Sardis) said in a letter that "even if we committed murder and adultery 1000 times a day we could not be separated from God"

Luther said that because Jesus has become sin. 2 Corinthians 5:21

And also, If you look at this verse, 2 Corinthians 5:19, Paul says the same thing..

People like you, who dont understand "redemption from sin" that is based on Christ "redeeming us from the Curse of the Law", perceive sin exactly the same way as an unbeliever understands it.
Why?
Its because you BOTH have the same MIND.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

People like you… perceive sin exactly the same way as an unbeliever understands it.

This is an ignorant statement.

I was lost in the world many years ago.

Now that I’m born again and know the holy scriptures I understand sin perfectly now.

But as a lost sinner I really didn’t know what sin was according to the truth and I was not concerned with the consequences of it beyond this world. Sure, there was a general sense of right and wrong, but you could usually ignore those senses using your own reasonings.

Now I’m very aware of sin and the consequences!

So:

“Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.” (Romans 6:12)

 

[Behold]

Now that I’m born again and know the holy scriptures I understand sin perfectly now.

Oh i agree with you.
You understand sin. You are sin conscious.
This is the opposite of having the "renewed mind."
The right mind, is not to exist in a mind that is connected to the "old man" that is "crucified with Christ".
You are totally connected to this flesh mind and that is why The Grace of God and the true understand of being "made righteous", is not what you can understand.
If you are born again, and not just water baptized and religious then God has caused your spirit to become born again.
This is the real you....>Not your body OR your mind.
And so, when you exist in the carnal mind, you can't SEE what it means to have become "a new creation in Christ".

The CROSS denies you trying to keep yourself saved by works or confessing sin.
The CROSS denies that you can lose your salvation.

You can't SEE this, because your Faith is in YOU doing something to go to heaven instead of having a complete trust that Christ will get you to heaven, without your help. (self effort, deeds, commandment keeping, water baptism, enduring, or trying to be like Christ).

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You have mastered the art of provocation.

You are sin conscious.

Were the inspired writers “sin conscience” you ignorant fellow?

YOU BET THEY WERE!

I quote all the passages where the holy inspired writers spoke of sin, and the warnings and consequences associated with them, but you have a shield of false doctrines covering you preventing them from penetrating your hard head!

 

[Behold]

I quote all the passages where the holy inspired writers spoke of sin,

The Cross of Christ is this.....> 2 Corinthians 5:21


You should go there and partake.
Don't die without it.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The Cross of Christ is this.....> 2 Corinthians 5:21

This passage doesn’t cancel out the other passages.

GROW UP!

 

[Behold]

This passage doesn’t cancel out the other passages.

GROW UP!

The Cross cancels out the sin of the world..... pays for it.... is its redemption from it.

2 Corinthians 5:19

Romans 4:8


You should go there and kneel, instead of Spitting on the Cross of Christ on a public forum.
Fair warning.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The Cross cancels out the sin of the world.

“If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel” (Colossians 1:23)

Because:

“…it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.” (Hebrews 6:4-6)

FAIR WARNING!