First the Rapture and then the Great Tribulations

[hhogletree]

Bible Study by Herbert H. Ogletree

Knowing that the Rapture first, and then that the Great Tribulations shall soon follow. Which is right before us and is now almost upon us, we should be very concern knowing that we are now facing the Rapture in which we also know that no one will be able to see Christ, but only the one that is at that very time being raptured. But their companion shall see or know nothing that is going on, but only their partner that was with them had now disappeared.
Then after the Great Tribulations then shall follow the end of time, then and only then shall everyone be able to see the Glory of our Christ coming from within the sky, knowing that this is truly the end of time. We should now take the advantage of this for we know that our time is now running short and our Salvation is now only can be right around the corner of today.

For we can now only look and call upon Christ that has now already gone on into Heaven, we can always be in touch with Christ with our Heavenly message into man’s Salvation. For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins.
Knowing that we should have compassion upon the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that Christ himself also had compassed. With infirmity knowing that we should also take avenge of this now by knowing that the Great Tribulation is not fore off and is now looking down upon us. And after this is when our whole world shall be destroyed and our earth shall be no more.

But first we are now facing the Rapture to come soon as we find in the Book of Saint Luke
17:30- Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
17:31- In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
17:32- Remember Lot's wife.
17:33- Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
17:34- I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
17:35- Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
17:36- Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
17:37- And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Then shall be the Great Tribulation be upon us as we find in in the Books of the Bible as in Saint Matthew 24:19- And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
24:20- But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day:
24:21- For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
24:22- And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
24:23- Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24:24- For there shall arise false Christ’s, and false prophets, and shall shrew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
24:25- Behold, I have told you before.
24:26 -Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
24:27- For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
24:28- For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
24:29- Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
24:30- And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31- And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
24:32- Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
24:33- So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
24:34- Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
24:35- Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

 

[us2are1]

The scriptures that you posted are true. However they don't tell of a rapture or even imply anything that you have said. There is no rapture in scripture, anywhere.

 

[hhogletree]

You will find in book of Revelation
3:10- Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
This also go along with what I wrote from the Book of St. Luke
This show something coming up before the hour of temptation. That is how Rapture came about.

 

[n2thelight]

You will find in book of Revelation
3:10- Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
This also go along with what I wrote from the Book of St. Luke
This show something coming up before the hour of temptation. That is how Rapture came about.

The scripture you quoted dosn't mean a rapture,also,what would you have us do with the below verse........

Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Or are you one who says Christ returns twice?

 

[rockytopva]

hhogletree... My bible tells me to be ready for it to come as a thief in the night. Therefore we know not the hour nor the day. Enjoyed the post by the way!

 

[TWC]

1 Thessalonians 5:1-4
But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.


Joel 2:10-11
Before them the earth shakes, the sky trembles, the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars no longer shine.The LORD thunders at the head of his army; his forces are beyond number, and mighty are those who obey his command.
The day of the LORD is great; it is dreadful. Who can endure it?

Joel 2:31
The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

Matthew 24:29-31
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Just sayin'

 

[us2are1]

You will find in book of Revelation
3:10- Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
This also go along with what I wrote from the Book of St. Luke
This show something coming up before the hour of temptation. That is how Rapture came about.

Here is a psalm of David that explains how those of faith will be kept from the hour of temptation.

Psalms 91
1 He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
2 I will say of the Lord, "He is my refuge and my fortress; My God, in Him I will trust."
3 Surely He shall deliver you from the snare of the fowler And from the perilous pestilence.
4 He shall cover you with His feathers, And under His wings you shall take refuge; His truth shall be your shield and buckler.
5 You shall not be afraid of the terror by night, Nor of the arrow that flies by day,
6 Nor of the pestilence that walks in darkness, Nor of the destruction that lays waste at noonday.
7 A thousand may fall at your side, And ten thousand at your right hand; But it shall not come near you.
8 Only with your eyes shall you look, And see the reward of the wicked.
9 Because you have made the Lord, who is my refuge, Even the Most High, your dwelling place,
10 No evil shall befall you, Nor shall any plague come near your dwelling;
11 For He shall give His angels charge over you, To keep you in all your ways.
12 In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone.
13 You shall tread upon the lion and the cobra, The young lion and the serpent you shall trample underfoot.
14 "Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore I will deliver him; I will set him on high, because he has known My name.
15 He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him and honor him.
16 With long life I will satisfy him, And show him My salvation."

If this Psalm doesn't help then read about Elijah and the three and a half years of drought. Those who live by faith now in the greenwood will not be harmed in the dry.





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[hhogletree]

I would like to think everyone for all commens. Thanks Herbert

 

[veteran]

The idea that Christ comes to 'rapture' His Church, and then great tribulation begins on earth, is not Scriptural. That's actually the Pre-tribulational Rapture theory. It's a doctrine of men started in 1830's Britain by the Edward Irving Church and John Darby, and the witness taken from a hallucinogenic women on her deathbed known as Margaret McDonald. Others among the Brethren movement with Darby brought the doctrine to America, and study Bibles like Scofield's Bible were used to promote it. The majority Christian Church prior to the 1830's held to a post-tribulational return of our Lord Jesus and our gathering to Him, for around 1800 years.

The Christian historian Sandeen noted some brethren in Darby's church were Illuminati, and were going around loosely quoting Scripture (see Dave McPhearson's documented works like The Incredible Cover-Up).


The Hour Of Temptation Of Revelation 3:10...

There is NOTHING written in that Rev.3:10 verse that suggests a PHYSICAL removal of Christ's saints to be protected from that "hour of temptation".

That hour is about the coming of a false one the world will accept in place of our Lord Jesus, bowing to that false one instead by deception into thinking he is Christ having returned. Our Lord Jesus warned us about that in Matt.24:23-26, as Apostle Paul did also in 2 Thess.2, and as Christ warned us again through His Apostle John in Rev.12-13 especially.

If you don't know about that false one coming FIRST to play our Lord Jesus Christ, then... you are already subject to that "hour of temptation" when it comes. Thinking to be 'raptured' to Heaven is not a sign of being protected from that specific 'temptation'. It's about not being 'tempted' by that false one that comes first, not a physical fleeing.

 

[us2are1]

Darby and his crowd of followers fall right into the prophecy of the coming of the false one the world will accept in place of the true Christ. That has already happened and was set up and prepared for you before you were born. The hour of temptation comes with the ministry of Christ's two witnesses who will shut down the world and usher in the Kingdom of Christ.





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[rockytopva]

Those left on earth during tribulation are bound to be one wicked bunch,...

And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. - Rev 16:9

And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: - Rev 9:20

And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. - Rev 11:10

Remember God cannot destroy where there is righteousness afoot. I refer to the story of Lot where God could not destroy the town until he was safely out of harms way. This is why I am pre-trib. I cannot believe that God would let these plagues fall while there is still righteousness on planet earth.

 

[us2are1]

Everyone will be here during the great tribulation.

The carnal man will be dieing in droves where the spiritual man will be living on faith in God alone.

When the earth is dried up and all the water is removed from planet earth then those of faith will be revealed.

There is no rapture and those who are trusting in perversity will fall hard.

Romans 3
10 As it is written , There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth , there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way , they are together become unprofitable ; there is none that doeth good, no, not one .
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit ; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known :

 

[rockytopva]

For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. - 1 Thess 5:5

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:9

[sup]2[/sup]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[sup]3[/sup]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; - 2 Thess 2:2-3

So the signs of Christs coming are these...

1. There will be a great falling away
2. The son of Perdition (The Anti-Christ) revealed

When the Anti-Christ is revealed then it is rapture time.

 

[hhogletree]

The rapture is when Christ comes as a thief in the night. Only ones to see him will be the rapture ones. The second coming of Christ, takes place after the great tribulations this is when every eye shall see, and every knee still kneel been,and all shall see him in all his glory.

 

[rockytopva]

The rapture is when Christ comes as a thief in the night. Only ones to see him will be the rapture ones. The second coming of Christ, takes place after the great tribulations this is when every eye shall see, and every knee still kneel been,and all shall see him in all his glory.

hhogltree... Agreed! Christ may come today... He may come 100 years from now. As I believe in the doctrine of imminence so I woke up this morning expecting Christ to come today. Not many believe this way... But I think it is of the souls best interest to believe this way!

 

[us2are1]

For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. - 1 Thess 5:5

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:9

[sup]2[/sup]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[sup]3[/sup]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; - 2 Thess 2:2-3

So the signs of Christs coming are these...

1. There will be a great falling away
2. The son of Perdition (The Anti-Christ) revealed

When the Anti-Christ is revealed then it is rapture time.

There is no rapture in scripture and those who believe it have already fallen away.

The antichrist was already here in the time of Saint John.

The antichrist is the one who has beguiled you with his rapture theory which is not in scripture.

1 John 2
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

1John 4
3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

1 John 2
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

 

[Foreigner]

There is no rapture in scripture and those who believe it have already fallen away.

Except for the millions of people worldwide.
Millions of born again, Spirit filled, Bible believing, Jesus loving Christians.

 

[us2are1]

Except for the millions of people worldwide.
Millions of born again, Spirit filled, Bible believing, Jesus loving Christians.

The spirit of confusion is the wrong spirit to be filled with and not knowing the true Christ is not loving Him. Those who are bible believing know better than believing in a rapture. Unfortunately being bamboozled into leaving one evil for another is not being born again.

True knowledge begins with asking God in Faith for His Spirit. Get in your bible in prayer to God and study What Christ taught and showed you as an example. Then follow Him.

Ephesians 5
1 Therefore be imitators of God as dear children.

Luke 11
13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!"

2 Peter 2
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.

John 16
13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.


The "Holy Spirit" not Darby or Scofield or the messengers of religious trade.

Ezekiel 28
18 "You defiled your sanctuaries By the multitude of your iniquities, By the iniquity of your trading; Therefore I brought fire from your midst; It devoured you, And I turned you to ashes upon the earth In the sight of all who saw you.







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[veteran]

hhogltree... Agreed! Christ may come today... He may come 100 years from now. As I believe in the doctrine of imminence so I woke up this morning expecting Christ to come today. Not many believe this way... But I think it is of the souls best interest to believe this way!

The Immient doctrine (from men) isn't Biblical either.

The LORD and His Apostles and prophets gave us specific signs of the end to be watching leading up to Christ's return. That's what we as believers on Jesus Christ are to be watching.

One of those specific signs is about a final Antichrist coming to set himself up in place of God, commanding all the world to worship him in place of God. And... that false one is to be so deceptive in working miracles and wonders to do it, that it would almost deceive Christ's elect that cannot be deceived. Obviously, being ignorant of that specific sign of the end of days would easily... deceive someone who thought Christ's return could be at any moment like the Imminent doctrines teach.

The appearance of that final Antichrist is what is to set off the start of the coming tribulation time. The Pre-trib Rapture doctrine is specifically about belief of our Lord Jesus coming to 'rapture' His saints just PRIOR to the start of that tribulation. So it doesn't take a whole lot of smarts to figure out the rapture doctrines are actually a setup for the deceived who refuse to heed Christ's warnings of the false one who comes first as written. And no amount of hope by Christ's servants is going to change how He has already told us that sign He gave is to happen, including its order of coming to pass.

 

[Foreigner]

The spirit of confusion is the wrong spirit to be filled with and not knowing the true Christ is not loving Him.

-- Not to put too fine a point on it, but I would give that same warning about the spirit of confusion to you, as well.