22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your words would suggest your looking into a mirror in a glass house

Did I lie and claim that someone else doesn't care about the truth like he did? No. It's interesting that you come to the defense of a pre-trib dispensationalist. You have more in common with them than with Amils, it seems.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You might want to check the facts.

The fact is that you lied by accusing Christian Gedge of not caring about the truth. He most certainly does. If you disagree with him, fine, but can't you just leave it at that? You need to resort to lying and making personal insults, too?

 

[Truth7t7]

No, I'm claiming that in order for you to be consistent in your logic you should believe that mystery Babylon is a literal woman as well. So, do you?

Do you deny that there are other definitions of that Greek word than "a man"? Another definition is mankind and that is how it is used in Revelation 13:18. Do you understand that there are a lot more people than just Strong who know Greek? While his resources are good, overall, he's not perfect. You should not worship him the way you do. Other Greek scholars disagree with him on this. What makes him superior to them?

You are no Greek Scholar, and you refuse to accept the respected works of Greek Scholar Strong below, "Denial"

Yes its how far you will go to prop up your reformed preterist eschatology in denial of a future human man as seen in Revelation 13:8 below, no different than a pre-tribber or millennialist in denial of presented truth

Read Strongs Again and Again, "A Human Being" "Individual Male"

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

Strongs (Of A Man) Revelation 13:18

Strong’s Definitions
ἀνήρ anḗr, an'-ayr; a primary word (compare G444); a man (properly as an individual male):—fellow, husband, man, sir.

Strong’s Definitions
ἄνθρωπος ánthrōpos, anth'-ro-pos; from G435 and ὤψ ṓps (the countenance; from G3700); man-faced, i.e. a human being:—certain, man.

Revelation 13:18KJV
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Mystery Babylon is a "Diversion"

Of course you would say that. I exposed your flawed logic and you don't want to acknowledge it.

You are no Greek Scholar, and you refuse to accept the respected works of Strong below

Yes its how far you will go to prop up your reformed preterist eschatology in denial of a future human man as seen in Revelation 13:8, no different than a pre-tribber or millennialist in denial of presented truth

Read Strongs Again and Again, "A Human Being" "Individual Male"

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

Strongs (Of A Man) Revelation 13:18

Strong’s Definitions
ἀνήρ anḗr, an'-ayr; a primary word (compare G444); a man (properly as an individual male):—fellow, husband, man, sir.

Strong’s Definitions
ἄνθρωπος ánthrōpos, anth'-ro-pos; from G435 and ὤψ ṓps (the countenance; from G3700); man-faced, i.e. a human being:—certain, man.

Revelation 13:18KJV
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

You are no Greek scholar, either. You apparently think that Strong is the only Greek scholar who has ever lived. You should not worship people the way you worship him. There are Greek scholars who disagree with him on this and on other things. He provided a good and useful service, but he is not perfect.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus only talked about the abomination of desolation once. Paul only wrote about the man of sin once. They felt no need to repeat themselves. Why don't you follow their example?

As long as you promote the false reformed teaching that there is no future human man seen in Revelation 13:8, I will continue to oppose your false teaching

Just as you repeat yourself over and over again to pre-tribbers and millennialist

You desire to silence your opposition in Truth7t7, just as liberal democrats desire to silence conservatives, I will continue to be a voice in opposition to this reformed teaching

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

You are no Greek scholar, either. You apparently think that Strong is the only Greek scholar who has ever lived. You should not worship people the way you worship him. There are Greek scholars who disagree with him on this and on other things. He provided a good and useful service, but he is not perfect.

By all means quote your Greek Scholars in opposition to Strong on Revelation 13:8, waiting?

Of course the world renound Strong provided a useful service as seen below, and you deny that service in a pre-determined bias for your reformed eschatology, it's that simple

Read Strongs Again and Again, "A Human Being" "Individual Male"

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

Strongs (Of A Man) Revelation 13:18

Strong’s Definitions
ἀνήρ anḗr, an'-ayr; a primary word (compare G444); a man (properly as an individual male):—fellow, husband, man, sir.

Strong’s Definitions
ἄνθρωπος ánthrōpos, anth'-ro-pos; from G435 and ὤψ ṓps (the countenance; from G3700); man-faced, i.e. a human being:—certain, man.

Revelation 13:18KJV
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

As long as you promote the false reformed teaching that there is no future human man seen in Revelation 13:8, I will continue to oppose your false teaching

Since you are informing me that you will continue repeating yourself, I probably will have no choice but to just put you on ignore. I don't need to be told the same exact thing more than once.

Just as you repeat yourself over and over again to pre-tribbers and millennialist

I don't just copy and paste the same exact responses over and over like you do. You are a robot. You can't be taken seriously because you never specifically address anyone's arguments or answer anyone's questions. I think if I asked you what your favorite color was, you would tell me your favorite flavor of ice cream instead.

You desire to silence your opposition in Truth7t7, just as liberal democrats desire to silence conservatives, I will continue to be a voice in opposition to this reformed teaching

Referring to yourself in the third person is a clear sign of arrogance and your need to humble yourself. Are you equating my beliefs with the beliefs of liberal Democrats which includes the belief in the legalization of abortion? What is wrong with you? You need help.

 

[Truth7t7]

Did I lie and claim that someone else doesn't care about the truth like he did? No. It's interesting that you come to the defense of a pre-trib dispensationalist. You have more in common with them than with Amils, it seems.

It's my opinion you disregard truth in a pre-determined bias for the false teachings found in reformed eschatology, does that make me a child because of my opinion in observation of your teachings and beliefs, hardly!

Your harsh tones are used in desperate attempts to silence your opposition, doesn't work with Truth7t7

You might deny a future Millennium on earth that I agree with, but your reformed eschatology denies a future literal human man as seen in Revelation 13:8 "Dangerous" and "Scary" in my opinion

Jesus Is The Lord

(Quote: Spiritual Israelite Post 6131)You are an immature child. To suggest that he has very little regard for the truth couldn't be further from the truth. Are you unable to discuss these things like an adult? What do your childish insults accomplish?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

By all means quote your Greek Scholars in opposition to Strong on Revelation 13:8, waiting?

Of course the world renound Strong provided a useful service as seen below, and you deny that service in a pre-determined bias for your reformed eschatology, it's that simple

Read Strongs Again and Again, "A Human Being" "Individual Male"

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

Strongs (Of A Man) Revelation 13:18

Strong’s Definitions
ἀνήρ anḗr, an'-ayr; a primary word (compare G444); a man (properly as an individual male):—fellow, husband, man, sir.

Strong’s Definitions
ἄνθρωπος ánthrōpos, anth'-ro-pos; from G435 and ὤψ ṓps (the countenance; from G3700); man-faced, i.e. a human being:—certain, man.

Revelation 13:18KJV
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

I don't have the names of the NIV translators or the names of the translators of other English translations, but a number of translations contain footnotes indicating the other possible meaning of the word. Which shows that the translators were not all in agreement on what the word means.

Revelation 13:18 (NIV): This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[a] That number is 666.

The footnote says "Or is humanity's number". Other translations have similar footnotes.

Here's one that translates it as "a human multitude" and has a footnote that says "Or is a multitude of a man; or is the number of a human being".

Revelation 13:18 (ISV): In this case wisdom is needed: Let the person who has understanding calculate the total of the beast, since it is a human multitude,[d] and the sum of the multitude is 600, 60, and six.

Since all the translators of our English Bible translations were Greek scholars, then this shows that some of them believed that the word should be translated as humanity or mankind instead of as a man. The fact of the matter is that humanity (mankind) is one of the definitions of the Greek word, so that means it comes down to each translator's personal beliefs to decide what the word should mean in any given verse. And Strong got this one wrong. He was not the infallible person that you make him out to be.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It's my opinion you disregard truth in a pre-determined bias for the false teachings found in reformed eschatology, does that make me a child because of my opinion in observation of your teachings and beliefs, hardly!

What makes you a child is your inability (or lack of willingness) to specifically address points that I make and questions that I ask. Instead of doing that, you just copy and paste your pat responses over and over again. I address things you say specifically. You ignore what others say and just repeat the exact same things over and over. That is childish.

One example of this is Revelation 17:8 where it says "the beast was, and is not...". I've asked you to explain what you think that means and how you can reconcile your understanding of the beast as being a man with that verse and you don't bother doing that. Why not?

Your harsh tones are used in desperate attempts to silence your opposition, doesn't work with Truth7t7

LOL. There's that arrogant use of the third person again. And, are you denying that you use harsh tones yourself? Don't be a hypocrite.

You might deny a future Millennium on earth that I agree with, but your reformed eschatology denies a future literal human man as seen in Revelation 13:8 "Dangerous" and "Scary" in my opinion

There's nothing dangerous or scary about it at all. You are an alarmist and are clearly given to exaggeration.

Also, I don't care about Reformed eschatology. If I happen to agree with some things that "Reformed eschatology" teaches, so be it. But, I don't believe what I do from studying their teachings.

 

[Truth7t7]

There's nothing dangerous or scary about it at all. You are an alarmist and are clearly given to exaggeration.

You falsely teach that the literal human (Man Of Sin) seen below, isn't going to be revealed to the Church in the future, your teaching is "Dangerous" and "Scary" and that's IMHO

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

2 Thessalonians 2:3KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You falsely teach that the literal human (Man Of Sin) isn't going to be revealed, your teaching is "Dangerous" and "Scary"

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

2 Thessalonians 2:3KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Good grief. You act as if you haven't already said this 79 times. Okay, I'm done with you for good now. You don't listen. This is a waste of time.

 

[The Light]

The fact is that you lied by accusing Christian Gedge of not caring about the truth. He most certainly does. If you disagree with him, fine, but can't you just leave it at that? You need to resort to lying and making personal insults, too?

As I said, you might want to check the facts

 

[Truth7t7]

Good grief. You act as if you haven't already said this 79 times. Okay, I'm done with you for good now. You don't listen. This is a waste of time.

Good Grief, you are in denial of presented truth, in a pre-determined bias for reformed eschatology that denies a future literal human (Man Of Sin) to be revealed to the Church on earth

Jesus Is The Lord

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

2 Thessalonians 2:3KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 

[Truth7t7]

You don't listen.

It appears your looking into that mirror in the glass house again

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

As I said, you might want to check the facts

Here is a fact. You said this to Christian Gedge:

I'll stand on the truth which you seem to have very little regard for.

It is not true that he has "very little regard for" the truth. If he's mistaken in his beliefs, as you think is the case, so be it. It doesn't mean he isn't sincerely seeking the truth. Being mistaken doesn't equate to not having any regard for the truth.

 

[Truth7t7]

One example of this is Revelation 17:8 where it says "the beast was, and is not...". I've asked you to explain what you think that means and how you can reconcile your understanding of the beast as being a man with that verse and you don't bother doing that. Why not?

And you were clearly answered using the whole of God's words, you don't set the parameters for my response

Read Strongs Again and Again, "A Human Being" "Individual Male"

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

Strongs (Of A Man) Revelation 13:18

Strong’s Definitions
ἀνήρ anḗr, an'-ayr; a primary word (compare G444); a man (properly as an individual male):—fellow, husband, man, sir.

Strong’s Definitions
ἄνθρωπος ánthrōpos, anth'-ro-pos; from G435 and ὤψ ṓps (the countenance; from G3700); man-faced, i.e. a human being:—certain, man.

Revelation 13:18KJV
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I think if I asked you what your favorite color was, you would tell me your favorite flavor of ice cream instead.

My favorite color has always been plaid.

 

[Truth7t7]

My favorite color has always been plaid.

Mine tooooo :)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Mine tooooo

Yeah, well, that color is taken. Pick Corduroy for your favorite color.
My favorite flavor of ice cream is brown, by the way. Pink comes in a close second.