He doesn't lead us blindly

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Karl Peters

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This came up on another thread. The point made was that we need to just do what our Lord Jesus Christ tells us to do, and we don't need to get understanding but just do it!

This is soooo wrong, and it is not how a relationship with Him is, but I see it often misunderstood.

The was a series call Joan of Arcadia. I actually like the series, but it also has the this misunderstanding wrong too. In the series we find "God" showing up in other people giving Joan instructions, which if she follows give her understanding, but she is just supposed to follow the instructions and not ask questions.

God can use other people, and because we find His words in our heart and in our mouths, the Lord can use what other people say to get words from Him to us. We are not actually preaching to find the Word of God in other people's mouth, but rather in our heart and mouth. We do find out that He is also putting His words in the mouth of others also, but we don't preach that because we are preaching a personal relationship with Him!!

Part of the very important personal relationship that He wants to have with us includes going over things and reasoning with us personally, to help us understand!!

Is 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.

The above is what He really wants, that you come and reason with Him. So ask Him question!! That is part of reasoning with Him!! So don't just try and do what He tells you, but talk to Him, reason with Him (find the reason for doing what He asks) and get understanding from Him!!

He gives you ears to hear and eyes to see, when you seek Him so that you can get more understanding!!! Yes, He will give you instructions, like in Joan of Arcadis, which when you do them give you more understanding, but really the understanding comes from His voice!! So get Him to talk to you more by reasoning with Him!!

If He asks you to do something, start asking Him for understanding. That is what He want - that personal relationship with you. So talk, reason, ask, consider, and get information from Him as you can!!

He once told me, "Karl, understanding is understanding that I am Understanding."

Understanding is one of His names! He is called Understanding because talking with Him give you understanding, and understanding that is getting real understanding.

He is not about leading us blindly! He is about giving us understanding!!

So don't go telling others to just do what He tells them, tell them to talk to Him and listen to what He says!! Yeah - if you do that you will do what He tells you, but you will also pick up understanding about Him, and even the understanding that He is Understanding!!

Prov 7:4 Say to wisdom, “You are my sister,”
And call understanding your intimate friend;

Jesus Christ is Understanding and you though He is your Lord He still wants to be your friend!!! So He will answer your questions, as a friend!!
 

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This came up on another thread. The point made was that we need to just do what our Lord Jesus Christ tells us to do, and we don't need to get understanding but just do it!

This is soooo wrong, and it is not how a relationship with Him is, but I see it often misunderstood.

The was a series call Joan of Arcadia. I actually like the series, but it also has the this misunderstanding wrong too. In the series we find "God" showing up in other people giving Joan instructions, which if she follows give her understanding, but she is just supposed to follow the instructions and not ask questions.

God can use other people, and because we find His words in our heart and in our mouths, the Lord can use what other people say to get words from Him to us. We are not actually preaching to find the Word of God in other people's mouth, but rather in our heart and mouth. We do find out that He is also putting His words in the mouth of others also, but we don't preach that because we are preaching a personal relationship with Him!!

Part of the very important personal relationship that He wants to have with us includes going over things and reasoning with us personally, to help us understand!!

Is 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.

The above is what He really wants, that you come and reason with Him. So ask Him question!! That is part of reasoning with Him!! So don't just try and do what He tells you, but talk to Him, reason with Him (find the reason for doing what He asks) and get understanding from Him!!

He gives you ears to hear and eyes to see, when you seek Him so that you can get more understanding!!! Yes, He will give you instructions, like in Joan of Arcadis, which when you do them give you more understanding, but really the understanding comes from His voice!! So get Him to talk to you more by reasoning with Him!!

If He asks you to do something, start asking Him for understanding. That is what He want - that personal relationship with you. So talk, reason, ask, consider, and get information from Him as you can!!

He once told me, "Karl, understanding is understanding that I am Understanding."

Understanding is one of His names! He is called Understanding because talking with Him give you understanding, and understanding that is getting real understanding.

He is not about leading us blindly! He is about giving us understanding!!

So don't go telling others to just do what He tells them, tell them to talk to Him and listen to what He says!! Yeah - if you do that you will do what He tells you, but you will also pick up understanding about Him, and even the understanding that He is Understanding!!

Prov 7:4 Say to wisdom, “You are my sister,”
And call understanding your intimate friend;

Jesus Christ is Understanding and you though He is your Lord He still wants to be your friend!!! So He will answer your questions, as a friend!!
This why we are not to defile our own conscience, by doing something that we do not believe from the heart freely.

And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Faith includes understanding exactly what we are doing:

But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

We may not know the results, until they come to pass, but we certainly know what it is we are doing.

Faith is doing the will of God, without knowing for sure the outcome. But so long as we do so by faith, then the outcome takes care of itself:

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
 

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There is a faith reasoning.

But also Proverbs 3:5 does speak of trust.
And there are other Proverbs - my wife and I are reading Proverbs right now - to tell us that what we think in our thoughts, is one thing, but the Lord orders our steps, and directs the results. What we reason out isn't always accurate. Nevertheless, we still are to obey God.

Much love!
 

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And there are other Proverbs - my wife and I are reading Proverbs right now - to tell us that what we think in our thoughts, is one thing, but the Lord orders our steps, and directs the results. What we reason out isn't always accurate. Nevertheless, we still are to obey God.

Much love!
Paul in Romans speaks indeed of 'obedience to the faith' and of 'the obedience of faith'.
 

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2 Corinthians 3:17-18 KJV
17) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

By doing as the Lord leads, we see His work in our lives. Seeing His work tells us more about Who He is. Learning more about Who He is renews our minds.

Colossians 3:10 KJV
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Renewing our minds enables us to understand more about what God is doing, and what He intends for us.

Obedience leads to understanding. We should never allow lack of understanding stand in the way of obedience.

Much love!
 

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There is a faith reasoning.

But also Proverbs 3:5 does speak of trust.
The bottom top and middle of the line is this . IF any voice cometh unto a person
and that voice , thought , reasoning or feeling contradicts the scriptures , WELL I KNOW ITS FALSE .
It is written that man shall not live by bread alone but rather by EVERY WORD OF GOD .
Yeah its been said man shall not live by emotions and feelings but live and agree rather with the truth of scripture .
WELL its what i say . I want folks who claim to know Christ so well fed on those bibles
that when a cardiologist looks upon the heart he has to take a step back and ask a nurse
to examine what he sees . FOR HE Sees scripture itself engrained on the ACTUAL HEART
OR if a nuerologist does an reading on the brain , HE too has to ask a nurse and other docs to come and take a look
at what he sees , for even on the brain he sees scrips engrained . NOW we know this is not possible
BUT THE POINT I MAKE IS CLEAR . GET IN BIBLES and BELIEVE that GOD , that CHRIST and test all other things
against that T RUTH .
 

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we should never get away from the vital principle of faith
But this thread is not about that. This thread is to counter the Strawman that believers go on "blind" faith. My pastor says we Christians have the benefit of lived experience.

This gives us such an advantage over atheists, who have merely an argument, and a blind argument at that.
 
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2 Corinthians 3:17-18 KJV
17) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

By doing as the Lord leads, we see His work in our lives. Seeing His work tells us more about Who He is. Learning more about Who He is renews our minds.

Colossians 3:10 KJV
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Renewing our minds enables us to understand more about what God is doing, and what He intends for us.

Obedience leads to understanding. We should never allow lack of understanding stand in the way of obedience.

Much love!
Obediance is directly linked to what we love . FOR WHO we obey and what we obey IS WHO and what we love .
That is a fact most do not know . SO me question is , and i know the word should be MY , ARE WE obeying
what the JESUS of the bible said , the GOD of the bible said the apostels of the bible said
OR are we agreeing with what men try and tell us IT MEANS . DO we follow the flesh and men
OR DO WE FOLLOW THE GOD OF THE BIBLE . ONLY ONE T RUE way to know that question .
OPEN BIBLE and READ IT FOR OURSELVES . BUT if we did that most churches would be empty .
I aint the hater , i just speak truth . BUT THEN the real question is how are folks gonna know
whether i speak truth or whether i just speak of my own opinion . AGAin MY RESPONSE IS
READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF , THEN WE WILL KNOW . I COME NOT to point to me
but rather to the truth in that bible and to remind folks how simple and easy the walk could be and would have
been if , IF and IF , ONLY they had done the same thing . MARK you would be amazed at how many are being decieved .
But we wont know that lest we read and continously read that bible for ourselves .
Just remember no matter if folks agree or agreed with me was not the question
the question is , are they reading the bible through the lens of men OR FOR THEMSELVES .
Now remember well i said that . Cause i have continously tried to get folks INTO BIBLES FOR THEMSELVES .
IF i wanted a following , WHY WOULD I ALWAYS HOLLLER PLEASE read the BIBLE so much and do so for YOU .
I point to JESUS and my JESUS IS THE JESUS OF THE BIBLE . its so sad most folks dont know him .
BUT ITS SO EASY and could have been so easy to KNOW HIM . OPEN BIBILES READ FOR YOURSELVES .
 
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for the CC , the jw the adventist the mormon and scores of others read the bible through the lens of men gone wrong .
I simply said and do say , IF YE LOVE CHRIST READ IT FOR YOURSELF and then watch what happens over time .
SORRY but i cant point you all to any good teachers of today , BUT i can point you all
to the ONLY TRUE TEACHER and MASTER , SO OPEN BIBLE and learn OF HIM . I dont care how much folks hate
me for this continual reminder , I LOVE THEM SO I KEEP REMINDING THEM
 
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We also read in the Proverbs that he who finds a wife finds favor from the LORD, how true that is!!

Much love!
we also read if a man puts away his wife and marries another its adultery . HOW TRUE that IS TOO .
MUCH LOVE my friend . If a man finds a wife it is a good thing
but if a man puts away his wife and marries another , That is not favor of GOD noR a good thing .
WE BETTER KNOW OUR BIBLES WELL .
 
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This why we are not to defile our own conscience, by doing something that we do not believe from the heart freely.

And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Faith includes understanding exactly what we are doing:

But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

We may not know the results, until they come to pass, but we certainly know what it is we are doing.

Faith is doing the will of God, without knowing for sure the outcome. But so long as we do so by faith, then the outcome takes care of itself:

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
He who eats of what the CC teaches eats not of faith .
the same applies for the jw and many others . We better know this well .
 
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This why we are not to defile our own conscience, by doing something that we do not believe from the heart freely.

And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Faith includes understanding exactly what we are doing:

But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

We may not know the results, until they come to pass, but we certainly know what it is we are doing.

Faith is doing the will of God, without knowing for sure the outcome. But so long as we do so by faith, then the outcome takes care of itself:

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Our faith is in Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some people just say faith to mean whatever they think! That as opposed to actually listening to the small voice of Jesus Christ our Lord and believing that because He is Lord we need do what He askes even when we don't understand of even think it is the right think to do!

So works of faith does not mean you understand what exactly what we are going, but is indeed "doing the will of God"! However, doing the will of God means we have to be listening to Him!! And one of His names is "Understanding"!!

So when He ask us to do something, we need to do it though we don't understand it. However, when we don't understand we can and should ask Him for some understanding!!!!

So you could say that "Faith includes understanding", because Jesus Christ is understanding because He has God's understanding!! But to get understanding from God's Understanding (Jesus Christ) we have to listen to Him by faith, and don't forget to ask Him questions when you don't understand!!!

I mean - if you go to school and take a class and the teacher is teaching but you don't understand, don't you hold up your hand and ask a question???

It is written you don't have because you don't ask!! Believe in Jesus Christ as the Word of God means you ask Him questions to get understanding, and you hear Him by faith!!!

So He doesn't lead us blindly!!! But we don't listen to Him like we should!! We don't asked Him question and listen to Him with our faith that He is there for us!!

And so you find Christians reading the Bible and thinking they need to do something they read about and blindly go about doing what they think, as opposed to actually listening to Him, and they call that their faith!! That is just faith in yourself and not faith in Jesus Christ!!

Believing in Jesus Christ means believing your Teacher (Jesus Christ) is going to give you God's understanding!! And believing that mean asking Him and listening to His response to you in words!!


So, If you are not asking Jesus Christ questions and listening to His responses, so you get understanding from Him, do you really believe in Him????

Maybe you are person with little faith?? Jesus got onto His disciples for having little faith!! What did He mean? Was not the Holy Spirit always around. So could they not have gotten answers to their problems if they had only sought, asked, and listened?

Mat 6:30 “But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith!

Mat 6:33 “But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

We say we have faith but we don't seek first the kingdom of God which includes - The Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and the angels He sends to minister to those who will receive salvation (Heb:1) So the problem with or not understanding just comes down to us not seeking the King of kings and Lord of lords, who can and will give us understanding. So if we don't ask, are we His friend?

Prov 7:4 Say to wisdom, “You are my sister,”
And call understanding your intimate friend;

So yeah - do what He tells you even if you don't fully understand, but He wants a personal relationship with you, and a friend will help you understand!! You just have to listen by faith to Jesus Christ and thus make Him a friend of yours!!
 

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because He is Lord we need do what He askes even when we don't understand of even think it is the right think to do!
All your words sum up with: Eat and be damned, because you think you're supposed to, right or wrong.

You are prime meat for the cult leader.

I know, because I've been there and done that.

If the voice you are hearing is not right according to faith and conscience, it isn't from the Lord.

The Lord will clear our conscience with knowledge of the truth, before ever leading us to do anything.

Scripture teaches it is better not to do by conviction of conscience, than to do anything without faith from the heart.
 

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He who eats of what the CC teaches eats not of faith .
the same applies for the jw and many others . We better know this well .
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
 
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I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
And HE led me and kept me far from ROME and the teachings of men gone wrong . JESUS wouldnt lead us into the CC
nor into the mormon realm nor the jw camp . SO while i agree with your common statement .
I pray you aint in any of those camps . Let us read our KJV bible and learn JESUS
 
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