I’m Not Going To Hell; How About You? = John 14;6, John 14;10-14

[Tommy Cool]

You're not quite right. We also know from scripture that Jesus Saud he'd be in paradise that very day that he made the promise to the thief on the cross and we also know that paradise is a specific place also the third heaven.

Luke 24:43

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

2 Cor 12:3-5

Well, you're not quite right. Jesus was also in paradise that very day he made the promise to the thief and paradise is a very specific place in the heavens, the 3rd Heaven.

2 Cor 12:2-4

2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Luke 23:43

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

2Co 12:1-5 are good verses to bring up…. because it shows the distinction between Paradise and the 3rd heaven.

Paradise, is a short word study in the Bible as it’s only used 3x. The verse in Luk 23:43 when Jesus spoke to the malefactor (not thief)…. this verse in 2Co 12:4 and in Rev 2:7

The only people who have seen Paradise (as of yet) is both Paul and John in a vision/revelation which Paul was not given permission to disclose (it was for his benefit) ….and of course Meatloaf saw it by the dashboard lights …but that may not be the same Paradise that the Bible is referring to.

Heaven is used over 550x and gives reference to 3 levels. Atmospheric, celestial, and the 3rd heaven where the Father, Jesus, and the angels reside. Heaven and paradise are not the same ….. Note what Rev 2:7 states, the location of Paradise is.

What you believe is up to you ….the Bible is clear …it’s religion that confounds the truth. Truth is proven by the Word of God ….. individual beliefs outside the Word … are just dust in the wind. It doesn’t matter whose they are …yours, mine, the Pope, or the preacher ….

The first three letter of conjecture are con, the first three letter of truth… are tru. (Jhn 17:17)

 

[DJT_47]

All your words won't change the simple words of the scriptures. You are assuming and speculating. You know as much about thus topic as I do or anyone else because there is very little information on it. Scripture doesn't contradict scripture nor conflict with it either. And it's not implied by any stretch of the imagination that Christ moved paradise from the middle of the earth to the heavens above.

 

[Tommy Cool]

And it's not implied by any stretch of the imagination that Christ moved paradise from the middle of the earth to the heavens above.

Sorry.... that was not my implication... quite the contrary

 

[Scott Downey]

All your words won't change the simple words of the scriptures. You are assuming and speculating. You know as much about thus topic as I do or anyone else because there is very little information on it. Scripture doesn't contradict scripture nor conflict with it either. And it's not implied by any stretch of the imagination that Christ moved paradise from the middle of the earth to the heavens above.

I 'm not changing any scriptures.
The proof I demonstrated .
You tell me where was Christ after he died?
If he was in the heart of the earth for 3 days and nights, and on the first day he was there, he was in paradise, therefore paradise was in the heart of the earth, not in heaven. He descended into the lower parts of the earth. If anyone actually looks into these scriptures, they must come to the same logical conclusion as myself, or they are willfully deceived.

 

[Scott Downey]

Honest spiritually minded people will acknowledge what I am pointing out here.
If your doctrine conflicts with scriptures, then you need to conform your mind to scripture and not your own understanding.

 

[JunChosen]

To all.

All these speculations and none really know the whereabout of Paradise???

Common sense:
"To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord"
First, we know that God's abode is somewhere up there called "heaven."
Secondly, when a born again person dies as an adult or as an infant, in his spirit (soul) essence he goes to be with God. This is God's promise to His children! But his body goes back to the dust (like everybody else) until resurrected on the last day some to be with God and others to oblivion, forever more.

Now, please search the Scripture to know what happened in-between His resurrection on the first day of the week to when He was lifted up to heaven in the cloud.

To God Be The Glory

 

[DJT_47]

To all.

All these speculations and none really know the whereabout of Paradise???

Common sense:
"To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord"
First, we know that God's abode is somewhere up there called "heaven."
Secondly, when a born again person dies as an adult or as an infant, in his spirit (soul) essence he goes to be with God. This is God's promise to His children! But his body goes back to the dust (like everybody else) until resurrected on the last day some to be with God and others to oblivion, forever more.

Now, please search the Scripture to know what happened in-between His resurrection on the first day of the week to when He was lifted up to heaven in the cloud.

To God Be The Glory

This has already been covered. Paradise is the 3rd heaven. Also, for your clarification, the spirit is not the soul as they can be divided.

 

[Gospel Believer]

Everyone dies and goes to Hell today when they die. The problem with people today, is they think Hell is a place of fiery torment, when the truth is, when the scriptures were first translated from Greek to English, the english word Hell was used to replace the Greek word Hades, and Hades simply meant a place that the dead go and sleep in death until the resurrection. Jesus went to Hell for parts of three days when he sacrificed his human life, he was not in a fiery torment place, he was dead for parts of three days. So those who go to Hell today when they die, sleep in death until they're resurrected.

"Absent from the body, present with the Father "...... so much for " Soul Sleep"

 

[Gospel Believer]

Meatloaf.......gone way too soon.......boy, we sure could use him now!

 

[JunChosen]

This has already been covered. Paradise is the 3rd heaven.

How did you determine that?

Also, for your clarification, the spirit is not the soul as they can be divided.

Please define between spirit and soul

Thanks

 

[Tommy Cool]

This has already been covered. Paradise is the 3rd heaven. Also, for your clarification, the spirit is not the soul as they can be divided.

I will stick with the truth of the written Word of God …not what you decided.

The Word declares paradise is someplace on earth, not heaven …. Rev 2:7 states the tree of life will be in paradise …. The tree of life will be here on earth Rev 22:2, Rev 22:14 … which means that’s where paradise will be.

 

[JunChosen]

The Word declares paradise is someplace on earth, not heaven …. Rev 2:7 states the tree of life will be in paradise …. The tree of life will be here on earth Rev 22:2, Rev 22:14 … which means that’s where paradise will be.

Most people read the Bible like it is an ordinary book, instead of a Spiritual Book.

Read 1 Corinthians 2:12-16:
14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

If you didn't know it already, God will destroy this present heaven and earth along with your precious paradise, and will create a new heaven and new earth?

Do you even know what is the tree of life?

Do you understand what a parable is?

To God Be The Glory

 

[DJT_47]

"Absent from the body, present with the Father "...... so much for " Soul Sleep"

Two scriptures to consider. That of Lazarus and the rich man, and the thief on the cross. Luke 16:19-31 and Luke 23:43

 

[Scott Downey]

Most people read the Bible like it is an ordinary book, instead of a Spiritual Book.

Read 1 Corinthians 2:12-16:
14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

If you didn't know it already, God will destroy this present heaven and earth along with your precious paradise, and will create a new heaven and new earth?

Do you even know what is the tree of life?

Do you understand what a parable is?

To God Be The Glory

Christ was in hades-sheol, the place of all the dead in the Old Testament where man went at death, for 3 days and nights in the heart of the earth, He was really there in that place.

We have 3 witnesses to that in scripture, David who is a prophet. Peter who is an apostle, Christ who is the Lord God who can not lie.
It was not Christ's body like you saying in the grave and his soul in heaven with God, this was His SOUL.

Acts 2
29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, [i]according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore being exalted [j]to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

In Psalm 16, David speaking concerning the Christ
9 Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoices;
My flesh also will [d]rest in hope.
10 For You will not leave my soul in [e]Sheol,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to [f]see corruption.

Acts 2
24 whom God raised up, having [g]loosed the [h]pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it. 25 For David says concerning Him:

‘I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’

Abraham's bosum was Paradise in the Old Testament.
The tree of Life was in Eden, Abraham's bosum was Paradise and Paradise is now in heaven with the tree of Life.

The tree of Life is for those who will inherit eternal life, only they get to eat of that tree, and that included all who were in Paradise in the OT time period. after death, they were the dead in the Lord who died in faith but had not yet received the promise of eternal life.

Hebrews 11, the teaching about all the faithful dead of the Old Covenant, says this about them, They had to wait for Christ come and deliver them from the captivity of death, as only through Christ do we receive Eternal Life.

39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, 40 God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.

 

[Tommy Cool]

Most people read the Bible like it is an ordinary book, instead of a Spiritual Book.

Read 1 Corinthians 2:12-16:
14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

If you didn't know it already, God will destroy this present heaven and earth along with your precious paradise, and will create a new heaven and new earth?

Do you even know what is the tree of life?

Do you understand what a parable is?

To God Be The Glory

That is not my "precious paradise" …. that is Gods!

You replied to the post that I had supplied scripture reference about the tree of life being in paradise.

("Rev 2:7 states the tree of life will be in paradise …. The tree of life will be here on earth Rev 22:2, Rev 22:14 … which means that’s where paradise will be".)


It is not referencing this current earth … this is referencing the new earth…..that’s where paradise will be. And when God’s Word uses the word paradise … it means paradise when it uses heaven it means one of three areas … atmospheric, celestial, or where God Jesus and the angels reside.

And no I don’t know what the tree of life is, anymore than what the Bible states ….beyond that is conjuncture …which is useless to me ….because it steps outside the boundaries of Truth.

 

[Gospel Believer]

Meatloaf.......gone way too soon.......boy, we sure could use him now!

......not meant to be taken seriously

 

[Tommy Cool]

......not meant to be taken seriously

He was a decent artist …in addition to being a Christian ….any brother in Christ who dies ….gone to soon.

 

[Angel Faith]

I’m Not Going To Hell; How About You? = John 14;6, John 14;10-14
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John 14;6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14;10-13
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

John 14:19-21
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Matthew 5:29-30
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Proverbs 27:20
Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.

Isaiah 5:14
Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Matthew 10;28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 18:9
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Mark 9:43
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Mark 9;45-48
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Luke 12;5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear Him.

Isaiah 14:9
Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

II Peter 2:4-9
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds; The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Revelation 20:13-15
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

John 14;6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


AMEN

Amen! I'm not going to Hell.
*Happy dances with you*

 

[JunChosen]

And no I don’t know what the tree of life is, anymore than what the Bible states ….beyond that is conjuncture …which is useless to me ….because it steps outside the boundaries of Truth.

This is exactly what a natural man does! He is not acquainted with Scripture and therefore he cannot see nor understand spiritual things, because they are spiritually discerned, therefore he will see them as conjectures, useless, and thinks it steps outside of the boundaries of truth.

How can a cool Christian NOT know what is meant by the Tree of Life, which, BTW, is the most important tree at the Garden of Eden?

To God Be The Glory

 

[JunChosen]

He was a decent artist …in addition to being a Christian ….any brother in Christ who dies ….gone to soon.

I would rather be with Christ than live another day in this sin-cursed world.