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Do you have spiritual discernment of what the following subject is about per Lord Jesus?

Having spiritual discernment in Scripture by The Holy Spirit means even when Scripture appears to be saying one thing, it can at the same time speak of a deeper matter.

What is the following Scripture revealing, and where else can we find a parallel to it? It's often important to ask ourselves 'where, when, who, how, and what' to discover the strong meat of a Scripture.

Matt 24:21-26
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
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Strange, I've never heard an ice berg boast of what's under the waterline!
 

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No one with discernment yet?

Here's a hint...

WHEN = the time of "great tribulation" at the END of this world prior to Christ's future coming.

WHERE = at Jerusalem, which upon the Mount of Olives is where Jesus was giving those future events to His elect.
 

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Blessings in Christ Jesus. When The Lord shakes this world, it will be the whole world, not just Jerusalem. His elect are found through out the whole world, including this country. The words from Matt24v21-26 are as they are written. A warning from Jesus of these times. And yes it is about the great tribulation before The Lords return for His special possession, and a warning of the false Christs, and the false prophets that would arise in these days.
 

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Blessings in Christ Jesus. When The Lord shakes this world, it will be the whole world, not just Jerusalem. His elect are found through out the whole world, including this country. The words from Matt24v21-26 are as they are written. A warning from Jesus of these times. And yes it is about the great tribulation before The Lords return for His special possession, and a warning of the false Christs, and the false prophets that would arise in these days.
But was Jesus pointing to many false Christs there, or about a specific false Christ? All the Matthew 24:23-26 verse subject must be understood in context.
 

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Matthew 24

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“Here is an interpretation of Israel’s history according to which God’s people have always been disobedient and rebellious: their alienation from God, it is clearly implied, is to reach its climax in the murder of the Messiah himself.” ( Anthony T. Hanson)

Hank Hanegraaff (2004)
“The discourse of Jesus on the Mount of Olives. It took place just after Jesus left the temple grounds. He turned to His disciples and promised them that not one stone would be left on top of another. They were so astonished that they asked Him about it shortly after, as they rested on the Mount of Olives and beheld the glory of the temple.”
 

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@Davy the whole thing needs to be considered from - Matthew 21-24. In my opinion, and discernment.
 

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Do you have spiritual discernment of what the following subject is about per Lord Jesus?

Having spiritual discernment in Scripture by The Holy Spirit means even when Scripture appears to be saying one thing, it can at the same time speak of a deeper matter.

What is the following Scripture revealing, and where else can we find a parallel to it? It's often important to ask ourselves 'where, when, who, how, and what' to discover the strong meat of a Scripture.

Matt 24:21-26
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV
Do you believe we are on the verge of the great tribulation Davy?
 

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But was Jesus pointing to many false Christs there, or about a specific false Christ? All the Matthew 24:23-26 verse subject must be understood in context.

Blessings in Christ Jesus. Read His words just as they are. A prophesy and a warning. His warnings are very important for the times at hand. Mathew 24 goes hand in hand with Mathew 25. Let us all "watch" and not be found sleeping. And thus, "So, could you not watch(keep awake) with Me one hour?"(prophesy) This is the final hour, and yet, who can see it. Many, will be caught unaware. This is the reason only the false prophets have spoken. Let us prepare to stand, stand upon The Rock of our salvation.(if possible the elect). Be Blessed!
 

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Discernment is of The Lord and not of man. Let The Holy Spirit be your teacher and guide you in all things. Can two walk together unless they first agree.
 

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Matthew 24

Olivet Discourse Index

“Here is an interpretation of Israel’s history according to which God’s people have always been disobedient and rebellious: their alienation from God, it is clearly implied, is to reach its climax in the murder of the Messiah himself.” ( Anthony T. Hanson)

Hank Hanegraaff (2004)
“The discourse of Jesus on the Mount of Olives. It took place just after Jesus left the temple grounds. He turned to His disciples and promised them that not one stone would be left on top of another. They were so astonished that they asked Him about it shortly after, as they rested on the Mount of Olives and beheld the glory of the temple.”
Yes, the whole chapter speaking of Israel, not the Goyim.
Gill is concurring and yet rejected by most here.
 

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Do you have spiritual discernment of what the following subject is about per Lord Jesus?

Having spiritual discernment in Scripture by The Holy Spirit means even when Scripture appears to be saying one thing, it can at the same time speak of a deeper matter.

What is the following Scripture revealing, and where else can we find a parallel to it? It's often important to ask ourselves 'where, when, who, how, and what' to discover the strong meat of a Scripture.

Matt 24:21-26
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV
neither on the sabbath day: the word "day" is not in the Greek text; and some (i) have been of opinion, that the "sabbatical year", or the seventh year, is meant, when no fruits would be found in the fields, and a great scarcity of provisions among people; who would not have a sufficiency, and much less any to spare to strangers fleeing from their native places; but rather the sabbath day, or "day of the sabbath", as the Persic version reads it, is designed; and Beza says, four of his copies read it in the genitive case: and so four of Stephens's. And the reason why our Lord put them on praying, that their flight might not be on the sabbath day, was, because he knew not only that the Jews, who believed not in him, would not suffer them to travel on a sabbath day more than two thousand cubits; which, according to their traditions (k), was a sabbath day's journey; and which would not be sufficient for their flight to put them out of danger; but also, that those that did believe in him, particularly the Jerusalem Jews, would be all of them fond of the law of Moses, and scrupulous of violating any part of it, and especially that of the sabbath; see Act_21:20. And though the Jews did allow, that the sabbath might be violated where life was in danger, and that it was lawful to defend themselves against an enemy on the sabbath day; yet this did not universally obtain; and it was made a question of, after the time of Christ, whether it was lawful to flee from danger on the sabbath day; of which take the following account (l).
"Our Rabbins teach, that he that is pursued by Gentiles, or by thieves, may profane the sabbath for the sake of saving his life: and so we find of David, when Saul sought to slay him, he fled from him, and escaped. Our Rabbins say, that it happened that evil writings (or edicts) came from the government to the great men of Tzippore; and they went, and said to R. Eleazar ben Prata, evil edicts are come to us from the government, what dost thou say? נברח, "shall we flee?" and he was afraid to say to them "flee"; but he said to them with a nod, why do you ask me? go and ask Jacob, and Moses, and David; as it is written, of Jacob, Hos_12:12 "and Jacob fled"; and so of Moses, Exo_2:15 "and Moses fled"; and so of David, 1Sa_19:18 "and David fled, and escaped": and he (God) says, Isa_26:20 "come my people, enter into thy chambers".''
From whence, it is plain, it was a question with the doctors in Tzippore, which was a town in Galilee, where there was an university, whether it was lawful to flee on the sabbath day or not; and though the Rabbi they applied to was of opinion it was lawful, yet he was fearful of speaking out his sense plainly, and therefore delivered it by signs and hints. Now our Lord's meaning, in putting them on this petition, was, not to prevent the violation of the seventh day sabbath, or on account of the sacredness of it, which he knew would be abolished, and was abolished before this time; but he says this with respect to the opinion of the Jews, and "Judaizing" Christians, who, taking that day to be sacred, and fleeing on it unlawful, would find a difficulty with themselves, and others, to make their escape; otherwise it was as lawful to flee and travel on that day, as in the winter season; though both, for different reasons, incommodious.
(h) Taachuma, fol. 57. 2. (i) Vid. Reland. Antiq. Heb. par. 4. c. 10. sect. 1. & Hammond in loc. (k) Maimon. Hilch. Sabbat, c. 27. sect. 1. (l) Bemidbar Rabba, sect. 23. fol. 231. 4.
Gill

And I agree with Gill on this passage, nothing to do with the Goyim, but His Bnei Ammi/people
 

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Do you have spiritual discernment of what the following subject is about per Lord Jesus?

Having spiritual discernment in Scripture by The Holy Spirit means even when Scripture appears to be saying one thing, it can at the same time speak of a deeper matter.

What is the following Scripture revealing, and where else can we find a parallel to it? It's often important to ask ourselves 'where, when, who, how, and what' to discover the strong meat of a Scripture.

Matt 24:21-26
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV
neither on the sabbath day. Because of the Jews being forbidden to travel on that day farther than a Sabbath day’s journey, which was about a mile, and this to the Temple or Tabernacle. Compare Exo_16:29 and Act_1:12 (De Burgh, p. 113). Furthermore, on the Sabbath the gates of the cities through which they must travel the roads to flee would be shut, making escape difficult. T641, *Exo_16:23-30; +*Exo_20:8-12; Exo_23:12; Exo_31:13-17; Exo_34:21; Exo_35:3, Lev_23:3; Lev_26:2, Deu_5:12-15, +*Isa_58:13 note, Isa_58:14, **Jer_17:21; **Jer_17:22; **Jer_17:27 note. *Luk_23:56, *Act_1:12, %**Col_2:16 note.
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or of the sabbath. or, the sabbath days. The plural is put for the singular, Mat_12:1, This is an explicit reference to the weekly observance of the Sabbath, clearly so because Paul here employs the usual formula (**Eze_45:17) designating all of the seasons and observances of the Jews, observance of which, advocated by the Judaizers in Paul’s day, are condemned as not being any part of the Gospel Paul preached (Gal_1:6-9; +Gal_4:10 note).

Bengel notes "used here significantly, for the several days of the week are called Sabbaths, Mat_28:1; therefore Paul intimates here the removal of all distinctions of days; for he never wrote more openly of the Sabbath.

Christ, after he himself, the Lord of the Sabbath, had come, or before his suffering, clearly taught the liberty of the Sabbath; but he asserted it more openly by Paul after his resurrection.

Nor has it yet been clearly defined what is due to the Sabbath, what to the Lord’s day; but this has been left to the measure of every one’s faith.

The Sabbath is not commended, is not enjoined; the Lord’s day is mentioned, not enjoined. A stated day is useful and necessary to those who are engrossed in worldly concerns.

T
hey who keep a continual Sabbath enjoy greater liberty. The Sabbath is a type even of eternal things, Heb_4:3-4; yet its obligation does not therefore continue in the New Testament, otherwise the new moons should be retained, Isa_66:23" (Word Studies, vol. 2, p. 463).

Some argue that the Sabbath, like the tithe, is a pre-Mosaic institution (Gen_2:3 note), and therefore our obligation to observe it did not cease with the abolition of the Mosaic law (Eph_2:15) upon the death and resurrection of Christ and the beginning of the New Covenant under grace. In answer to this argument is Paul’s very clear statement here, that we are to let no one judge us in respect to the keeping of the Sabbath.

Circumcision was a pre-Mosaic institution and counted as part of the law, but without question is no longer obligatory. On the same principle neither the Sabbath nor the tithe are obligatory, having been abolished upon the death and resurrection of Christ. Furthermore, those who would place us under legalistic obligations of the law, Mosaic or not, are guilty of the Galatian heresy, a heresy which results in spiritual death and loss of salvation (Gal_2:21; Gal_5:2-4). Nowhere in the Word of God is the Mosaic Law given as binding to the Gentiles (Act_15:5; Act_15:10; Act_15:19; **Act_15:24; **Act_21:25, Rom_2:14; Rom_3:2, Eph_2:12). Sabbath observance needs to be left where the inspired apostle has placed it—as a matter of individual conscience, conviction, and preference—but never as an obligation to be imposed upon others (Rom_14:5). So with tithing: in all of the apostolic appeals for Christian giving for a multitude of purposes, never once is recourse had to making the tithe obligatory for the Christian, whether by direct appeal to the law, by precept, or example (%Mat_23:23 note. **Luk_11:41 note, Luk_11:42 note). The proper basis of appeal for Christian giving is found in Php_4:17, where Paul urges as a proper motive the eternal reward which accrues to our account as the result of our Christian giving. To suppose that the following cross references to the Sabbath (marked **) cannot have reference to the weekly Sabbath is clearly a mistaken interpretation on its face for it requires the omission of all reference to the weekly Sabbath, supposing it to be a reference only to the annual Sabbaths (Num_28:9 note); but this unnecessarily duplicates the reference to annual or yearly which is already mentioned in its natural order in these Parallel Passages. This "force-fit" approach to Scripture is only employed by those who must at any cost preserve their patently mistaken interpretation of what Paul declares here in Col_2:14; Col_2:16, That makes it clearly false doctrine. Therefore, Paul’s statement in Col_2:14; Col_2:16 plainly states all holy days, whether annual, monthly, weekly, or daily have been "nailed to the cross" (Col_2:14), and of these, under Grace by the commandment of Christ through Paul (1Co_14:37), the weekly Seventh Day Sabbath is necessarily included in the all-inclusive list by specific reference, thus revoking the Fourth Commandment. Lev_16:31; Lev_23:3; Lev_23:7-8; Lev_23:21; Lev_23:24; Lev_23:27-32; Lev_23:35-36; Lev_23:38-39, Num_28:9 note. **1Ch_23:31, **2Ch_2:4; **2Ch_8:13; **2Ch_31:3, **Neh_10:33, %+*Isa_58:13 note. Isa_66:23, +*Eze_20:12; **Eze_45:17 <a. **Hos_2:11 <a. Mat_28:1, Mar_2:27-28, Joh_20:1, Act_15:1; Act_15:5; Act_15:10; Act_15:19; Act_15:24; Act_21:25, Rom_2:14; %Rom_14:5 note. Gal_2:21; **Gal_4:10 note. **Gal_5:2-4, Eph_2:12, *Tit_3:9, Heb_4:3-4.
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Nice tool to have, the UCRT Cross References, with some reliable commentaries.

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And I agree with Gill on this passage, nothing to do with the Goyim, but His Bnei Ammi/people

The Matthew 24 chapter is about Jesus giving seven main Signs of the very end leading up to His future return and gathering of His Church. His disciples there upon the Mount of Olives with Him represented His Church at that time. Thus the Matthew 24 chapter MOST DEFINITELY IS... FOR THE BELIEVING GENTILES ALSO. Even in Luke 21

And the Matthew 24:29-31 coming and gathering event links with the Zechariah 14 Scripture about His future return on the "day of the Lord" too, and with what it says about His bringing ALL His saints with Him there back to that very spot, the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem (see Zechariah 14:1-9).

In Romans 9, Apostle Paul INCLUDED the Gentiles when quoting from Hosea about the "house of Israel" (ten tribes). Thus the WHOLE NEW TESTAMENT is for the Gentiles too. So no wonder a little known Bible commentator fell into disrepute.
 

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neither on the sabbath day. Because of the Jews being forbidden to travel on that day farther than a Sabbath day’s journey, which was about a mile, and this to the Temple or Tabernacle. Compare Exo_16:29 and Act_1:12 (De Burgh, p. 113). Furthermore, on the Sabbath the gates of the cities through which they must travel the roads to flee would be shut, making escape difficult. T641, *Exo_16:23-30; +*Exo_20:8-12; Exo_23:12; Exo_31:13-17; Exo_34:21; Exo_35:3, Lev_23:3; Lev_26:2, Deu_5:12-15, +*Isa_58:13 note, Isa_58:14, **Jer_17:21; **Jer_17:22; **Jer_17:27 note. *Luk_23:56, *Act_1:12, %**Col_2:16 note.
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Irrelevant to Matthew 24.
 

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The Matthew 24 chapter is about Jesus giving seven main Signs of the very end leading up to His future return and gathering of His Church. His disciples there upon the Mount of Olives with Him represented His Church at that time. Thus the Matthew 24 chapter MOST DEFINITELY IS... FOR THE BELIEVING GENTILES ALSO. Even in Luke 21

And the Matthew 24:29-31 coming and gathering event links with the Zechariah 14 Scripture about His future return on the "day of the Lord" too, and with what it says about His bringing ALL His saints with Him there back to that very spot, the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem (see Zechariah 14:1-9).

In Romans 9, Apostle Paul INCLUDED the Gentiles when quoting from Hosea about the "house of Israel" (ten tribes). Thus the WHOLE NEW TESTAMENT is for the Gentiles too. So no wonder a little known Bible commentator fell into disrepute.
Wouldn'd say so....
1. When would these things happen; that is, when would the temple be destroyed?
2. What would be the sign of His coming; that is, what supernatural event would precede His return to the earth to set up His kingdom?
3. What would be the sign of the end of the age; that is, what would announce the end of the age immediately prior to His glorious reign? (The second and third questions are essentially the same.)

We must remember that these Jewish disciples' thinking revolved around the glorious age of the Messiah on earth. They were not thinking about Christ's coming for the church; they knew little if anything about this phase of His coming. Their expectation was His coming in power and glory to destroy His enemies and rule over the world.

Also we should be clear that they were not talking about the end of the world (as in the KJV), but the end of the age (Greek, aion).
Their first question is not answered directly. Rather the Savior seems to merge the siege of Jerusalem in a.d. 70 (see Luk_21:20-24) with a similar siege that will occur in the latter days. In the study of prophecy, we often see the Lord moving almost imperceptibly from an early, partial fulfillment to a later, final fulfillment.
The second and third questions are answered in verses 4-44 of chapter 24. These verses describe the seven year Tribulation Period which will precede Christ's glorious Advent.

The first three and one-half years are described in verses 4-14. The final three and one-half years, known as the Great Tribulation and the Time of Jacob's Trouble (Jer_30:7), will be a time of unprecedented suffering for those on earth.

Many of the conditions characterizing the first half of the Tribulation have existed to an extent throughout human history, but will appear in greatly intensified form during the period under discussion.

Those in the church have been promised tribulation (Joh_16:33), but this is far different from the Tribulation which will be poured out on a world that has rejected God's Son.
We believe that the church will be taken out of the world (1Th_4:13-18) before the day of God's wrath begins (1Th_1:10; 1Th_5:9; 2Th_2:1-12; Rev_3:10).

24:4, 5 During the first half of the Tribulation, many false messiahs will appear who will succeed in deceiving multitudes. The current rise of many false cults may be a prelude to this, but it is not a fulfillment. These false religious leaders will be Jews claiming to be the Christ.
BB

Are you aware the rabbins believe in TWO Messiah's?

Then they will hand you over to tzoros and they will kill you and you will be hated by all the ethnic groups on account of the Name of me (Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach Yehoshua, Yeshua).
OJB

Hmm...

Mat 24:14 And this Besuras HaGeulah of the Malchut will be announced in kol haOlam (all the world) as an edut to all the Goyim, and then will come HaKetz (the End).
OJB

Chapters 30-33 contain messages of hope and deliverance and are the bright spot in a book majoring on judgment. Clyde Francisco characterizes them as follows:
No more stirring passages ever were written than those found in this section of Jeremiah. Although most of his messages concerned judgment and doom, when he dreamed of the future he could preach the way he really preferred. All his heart went into these sermons.

The return from captivity was only a partial fulfillment; these chapters look forward to the end times and the final restoration.
This is a very important section, as it contains the famous New Covenant passage which predicts the revival of the nation of Israel.

This can only take place after "the time of Jacob's trouble" (the Great Tribulation) in 30:4-17. God keeps His covenants, contrary to the views of some. Jeremiah is told to buy a field to show the certainty of the restoration.
BB

Jer 30:7 Alas! For gadol hayom, so that none is like it; it is even the Et (Time) of Tzarah l'Ya'akov (Jacob's Trouble), but he shall be saved out of it.
OJB.

I stand by what I have posted, not being dogmatic, as most here seems to be, but yes, all in all, Mat 24, Yeshua with His jewish limmudim...

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Wouldn'd say so....
Then you have failed to understand Revelation 6 also with the Seals, because those are the Signs of the Seals of the end Jesus was giving there to His elect Church with Him upon the Mount of Olives.

1. When would these things happen; that is, when would the temple be destroyed?

Let's find out what all they actually did... ask Him...

Matt 24:3
3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be?
and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
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They asked when those things would be, and about the Sign of His future second coming, and of the END of this present world. (trying to change that the KJV there of "world" to 'age' is and weak false deceptive ploy, because the actual Greek word is translated to BOTH "world" and "age" in The New Testament.

Furthermore, Christ's disciples knew the Old Testament prophecies about the very end of this world, Jesus showed them, and that is what they were asking Him about here. How can one 'know' that? BECAUSE... the very LAST SIGN Jesus gave in Matthew 24 is about HIS FUTURE RETURN AND GATHERING OF HIS CHURCH. Easy, for that means the "day of the Lord", the very LAST DAY of this world.
We must remember that these Jewish disciples' thinking revolved around the glorious age of the Messiah on earth. They were not thinking about Christ's coming for the church; they knew little if anything about this phase of His coming. Their expectation was His coming in power and glory to destroy His enemies and rule over the world.
That's YOUR adding to the Scriptures there in Matthew 24. You are VAINLY TRYING TO POINT TO HIS DISCIPLES AS following the JEW'S religion by your false statement! NO, His disciples would be called CHRISTIANS later, and they represented His EARLY CHURCH. The orthodox Jews as a majority today STILL refuse to believe on Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Isaiah.

Also, what kind of excuse is that, that His disciples didn't know about His future return and the future end of this world? Of course they knew the prophecy that He would restore the kingdom of Israel, because that was written in the Old Testament prophets, just as the destruction of this world on the "day of the Lord" was also written in the prophets.

Could that also mean they KNEW about His future return and that restoration? Yeah! But here in Matthew 24, He is showing them the SIGNS of things that must be, BEFORE HE WILL RETURN, and then about His future return. And He had already forewarned them that He must be delivered up and killed, starting around Matthew 16, before this Mount of Olives event. Thus they already had info about His leaving and future return.

They knew what they were asking Him about the end of this world and His future coming.

Also we should be clear that they were not talking about the end of the world (as in the KJV), but the end of the age (Greek, aion).
There it is, your vain attempt to try and CHANGE the question Christ's disciples were asking Him about HIS FUTURE COMING, AND THE END OF THIS PRESENT WORLD. I know what you're trying to do; you are trying to DECEIVE. The only consolation I can give you right now, is I know you did not come up with that false idea. That 'aion' translation is favorite tactic of the PRETERIST SEMINARIES.

Whether one says, 'end of the world', or 'end of the world age', the meaning is the same, i.e., the LAST DAY of this present world. And the faithful Bible student doesn't have to look hard to find plenty of Scriptures that declares Lord Jesus' future return on that last day of this world. See if you can vainly change their question they asked of when He comes too?


Their first question is not answered directly. Rather the Savior seems to merge the siege of Jerusalem in a.d. 70 (see Luk_21:20-24) with a similar siege that will occur in the latter days.
There it is, FALSE PRETERISM, from the false doctrines of men.

The Matthew 24, Mark 13 chapters, align with the Signs of Revelation 6 about the SEALS. So you try to vainly say the SEALS of Revelation was all history???

If that were true, then WHY are the wicked today on this earth NOT SUBDUED BY JESUS CHRIST? And where is JESUS today? According Zechariah 14 about His FUTURE RETURN, He is supposed to already be REIGNING WITH HIS ELECT OVER ALL NATIONS AT JERUSALEM ON EARTH, if what you say were true!



Brethren, it doesn't take much to know this fellow is still following the JEW'S traditions. So BEWARE.