Is the 'Be Ready' idea from tongue speakers the same as Christ's?

[veteran]

Here's a way to know whether one speaking in 'tongues' is truly speaking by The Holy Spirit.

One of the tongues' messages often spoken and interpreted is for those in Christ to get ready for His coming to take them to Heaven. A Pre-trib rapture idea is often interpreted along with that.

But does that interpretation of the tongue's message fit the "be ye also ready" that our Lord Jesus gave?


Matt 24:42-51
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
(KJV)

 

[Lively Stone]

The only messages I hear coming from the Lord to His people is to "Be ready, for I am coming very soon!"

 

[veteran]

The only messages I hear coming from the Lord to His people is to "Be ready, for I am coming very soon!"

And there's the problem I'm pointing to. Because our Lord Jesus gave His 'be ready' Message there in relation to signs leading up to His return.


Rev 16:12-16
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
(KJV)

Why would our Lord Jesus give that same kind of warning about His coming "as a thief" within those 6th vial events of the dragon, beast, and false prophet and devils working miracles upon the earth?

What has that to do with His warning for us to be on watch, and to keep our garments, lest we walk naked and in shame?

 

[Lively Stone]

Revelation 16 occurs after the Church has already been taken out of the world.

 

[veteran]

Revelation 16 occurs after the Church has already been taken out of the world.

Sounds like a regergitation of men's doctrines and not your own words. You're in denial, for that Rev.16:15 verse is Christ warning His Church STILL ON EARTH at that 6th Vial, that His coming is "as a thief" and to keep their garments lest they walked naked and appear in shame. He gives that warning to His servants, not to unbelievers. His Church is not 'raptured' out at that point.

Apostles Paul and Peter sealed the time of Christ's coming and our gathering with the "as a thief" phrase. And they hard-linked it to "the day of the Lord" events...which is exactly what the Rev.16:15 order is...

1Thes 5:2
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
(KJV)

1Thes 5:4
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
(KJV)

2 Pet 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
(KJV)

 

[Lively Stone]

Revelation 16 is referring to the time that God's wrath is being dispensed. The Church will be absent. There will some of the elect (Israel) who will be prepared and watching for Christ's soon return during that horrific time.

 

[veteran]

Revelation 16 is referring to the time that God's wrath is being dispensed. The Church will be absent. There will some of the elect (Israel) who will be prepared and watching for Christ's soon return during that horrific time.

The Revelation 16:15 verse speaks for itself...

Rev 16:15
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
(KJV)

1Thes 5:2
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
(KJV)


But what you're pushing, is a false doctrine of man. There's only ONE time of Christ coming and gathering of His Church, and that "as a thief" phrase is given as a time marker for it which He defined (Matthew 24), and His Apostles also defined.

Now if you want to deny that time marker there on the 6th Vial as not being the same "as a thief" event Apostles Paul and Peter gave for the Church, then you have no excuse for loosing your garments with others see you walk in shame when our Lord Jesus returns.

 

[Lively Stone]

The Revelation 16:15 verse speaks for itself...

Rev 16:15
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
(KJV)

1Thes 5:2
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
(KJV)


But what you're pushing, is a false doctrine of man. There's only ONE time of Christ coming and gathering of His Church, and that "as a thief" phrase is given as a time marker for it which He defined (Matthew 24), and His Apostles also defined.

Now if you want to deny that time marker there on the 6th Vial as not being the same "as a thief" event Apostles Paul and Peter gave for the Church, then you have no excuse for loosing your garments with others see you walk in shame when our Lord Jesus returns.

That's right! Jesus is coming once, and with all His Bride that He will have called to Himself some seven years prior.

 

[veteran]

That's right! Jesus is coming once, and with all His Bride that He will have called to Himself some seven years prior.

That's the false Pre-trib fake rapture you're pushing. It's is un-Biblical, but I supposed you'll have to find that out the hard way, along with others who listen to men's doctrines where it originated (in 1830's Britain with the Edward Irving and John Darby churches).

 

[Lively Stone]

That's the false Pre-trib fake rapture you're pushing. It's is un-Biblical, but I supposed you'll have to find that out the hard way, along with others who listen to men's doctrines where it originated (in 1830's Britain with the Edward Irving and John Darby churches).

That is only your opinion, but my belief is utterly biblical.

 

[veteran]

That is only your opinion, but my belief is utterly biblical.

Try and prove it. So far, you've only been giving opinion.

 

[Lively Stone]

Try and prove it. So far, you've only been giving opinion.

I don't get too embroiled in these kinds of discussions because there is no point to them for they're unfruitful and are non-salvific in nature and the vitriol that erupts doesn't honour my Jesus.

In addition, I see that you are a bit irascible, and do seem to enjoy heaping condemnation on people here, and so I choose to walk a wide berth around you, sir.

 

[veteran]

I don't get too embroiled in these kinds of discussions because there is no point to them for they're unfruitful and are non-salvific in nature and the vitriol that erupts doesn't honour my Jesus.

In addition, I see that you are a bit irascible, and do seem to enjoy heaping condemnation on people here, and so I choose to walk a wide berth around you, sir.

Choose what you will, but you're not going to fool anyone here with the doctrines of men that you follow, and have tried to push here.

 

[Lively Stone]

Choose what you will, but you're not going to fool anyone here with the doctrines of men that you follow, and have tried to push here.

My aim is not to fool anyone, but to speak the truth of the pure doctrine of the word.

I gather you do not belong to a church of any kind? Have you eschewed the fellowship of believers, the family of God and sought only to teach yourself?

 

[TWC]

I don't get too embroiled in these kinds of discussions because there is no point to them for they're unfruitful and are non-salvific in nature and the vitriol that erupts doesn't honour my Jesus.

In addition, I see that you are a bit irascible, and do seem to enjoy heaping condemnation on people here, and so I choose to walk a wide berth around you, sir.

People have been coming on this forum for a long time trying to peddle this doctrine, and when we ask them to provide scriptural evidence to support it, they either can't or won't, and you don't seem to be any different. That's why you get the responses that you do.

Again, I ask:
Where in the Bible does it say that the church will be raptured prior to the tribulation?

If you can't answer this question, then I suggest you reconsider your beliefs on the subject. If you're going to take man's word over God's, it's a little hypocritical to complain about discussions being unfruitful and not honoring Jesus.

 

[Phillip]

The doctrines of futurism and their false prophets sure cause a lot of discord and grief, as threads like this display

How about the NOW of things??

(Rom 13:11)

And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

 

[Lively Stone]

People have been coming on this forum for a long time trying to peddle this doctrine, and when we ask them to provide scriptural evidence to support it, they either can't or won't, and you don't seem to be any different. That's why you get the responses that you do.

Again, I ask:
Where in the Bible does it say that the church will be raptured prior to the tribulation?

If you can't answer this question, then I suggest you reconsider your beliefs on the subject. If you're going to take man's word over God's, it's a little hypocritical to complain about discussions being unfruitful and not honoring Jesus.

Why does this thread equate pre-Tribulation belief with charismatic Christians? I know many charismatic Christians who are post-Tribulational.

This thread is based on one person's personal bias.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (NLT)

[sup]16[/sup] For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. [sup]17[/sup] Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever. [sup]18[/sup] So encourage each other with these words.

 

[TWC]

Why does this thread equate pre-Tribulation belief with charismatic Christians? I know many charismatic Christians who are post-Tribulational.

This thread is based on one person's personal bias.

It doesn't.

Here's a way to know whether one speaking in 'tongues' is truly speaking by The Holy Spirit.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (NLT)

[sup]16[/sup] For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. [sup]17[/sup] Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever. [sup]18[/sup] So encourage each other with these words.

Matthew 24:29-31
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Lively Stone]

It doesn't.

Have you actually read the OP? Even the title equates charismatic believers with the pre-Tribulational view.

 

[TWC]

No, it doesn't. The OP is about having discerning whether one who is speaking in tongues is truly speaking by the Holy Spirit, using the pretubulation rapture as one example. Nowhere in his post did he imply that all charasmatics are pretribbers.