The Lesson of Esau

[marks]

An invitation to discuss this . . .

@bbyrd009

Should you care to, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on this.

Much love!

 

[bbyrd009]

well marks, let’s assume that when you begin your walk you are Esau, and you are trying to get to Israel, at least i assume
the end

 

[Robert Gwin]

An invitation to discuss this . . .

@bbyrd009

Should you care to, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on this.

Much love!

Esau was a good person Marks, Jehovah blessed him greatly. Jehovah understood in advance the heart of each of those twins, Jacob was more spiritually motivated than Esau, and as prophesied became the one through whom the blessings for man would come through. Mat 1:2

 

[Rockerduck]

Malachi 1:3 -
But Esau I have hated,
And laid waste his mountains and his heritage
For the jackals of the wilderness.”

 

[bbyrd009]

so, how bout we review what we um "know," using a little (phoneman) "common sense;"

we got a barely older brother who sells his birthright for a bowl of "red stew, or he would die" made by his younger, barely, brother, who doesnt eat any, when mom is right across the field, and so the younger barely brother supposedly inherits, only he doesnt, as he is the one who leaves and goes walkabout, while Esau gets the land, right? end of part 1

how's that working for you guys? Making sense to you?
lol

man, you gotta think different if you want to get the lesson of Esau
you got to change your mind

 

[Rockerduck]

Obadiah 1:1- This is God's judgement on Edom (descendants of Esau).

God wasn't happy with them.

 

[amadeus]

well marks, let’s assume that when you begin your walk you are Esau, and you are trying to get to Israel, at least i assume
the end

God has the same Spirit, the same Power that He has always had. Unfortunately, I believe, that too many within what today is called Christianity are in the category of... "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof.." II Tim 3:5.


“For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.” Mal 3:6

“Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.” James 1:17


“These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.” Prov 6:16-19

“And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.” Mal 1:3

Who was Esau and why was he hated by God? Have any of us us ever been there? Are any of us there now... remembering that God has never changed and never changes?

Is God a respecter of persons now giving an advantage to anyone over anyone of those who have gone before... especially perhaps those who lived under what we call the Old Covenant?

 

[bbyrd009]

especially perhaps those who lived under what we call the Old Covenant?

ha well i guess we are def in a roomful of OT-lawyer-legal-facts types, yeh
"just the facts, pls" lol

 

[bbyrd009]

so, y'all have a decent quickie summation of the facts, above, eh
how's that workin out for ya

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Is God a respecter of persons now giving an advantage to anyone over anyone of those who have gone before... especially perhaps those who lived under what we call the Old Covenant?

No He is not a respector of persons. When He soon judges and destroys billions of people, He won't be respecting them either. Would this act be considered an expression of love or hate?

 

[amadeus]

No He is not a respector of persons. When He soon judges and destroys billions of people, He won't be respecting them either. Would this act be considered an expression of love or hate?

The dead people remain dead. What happens to those who have received Life depends upon what?

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whosoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more" Luke 12:48

What are we doing with what God has given us?

 

[marks]

well marks, let’s assume that when you begin your walk you are Esau, and you are trying to get to Israel, at least i assume
the end

Why assume that?

Much love!

 

[marks]

so, how bout we review what we um "know," using a little (phoneman) "common sense;"

we got a barely older brother who sells his birthright for a bowl of "red stew, or he would die" made by his younger, barely, brother, who doesnt eat any, when mom is right across the field, and so the younger barely brother supposedly inherits, only he doesnt, as he is the one who leaves and goes walkabout, while Esau gets the land, right? end of part 1

how's that working for you guys? Making sense to you?
lol

man, you gotta think different if you want to get the lesson of Esau
you got to change your mind

I'm familiar with the story. Do you then reject this as a telling of actual events? If this is parable, what does it mean to you?

Much love!

 

[marks]

No He is not a respector of persons. When He soon judges and destroys billions of people, He won't be respecting them either. Would this act be considered an expression of love or hate?

That God is not a respector of persons does not mean that He treats everyone the same. He chose out Israel from among the other nations, Are we somehow suggesting He was WRONG to do so? Of course not!

Much love!

 

[amadeus]

That God is not a respector of persons does not mean that He treats everyone the same. He chose out Israel from among the other nations, Are we somehow suggesting He was WRONG to do so? Of course not!

Much love!

Does He not treat each person fairly in accordance with what each person has chosen to do with what he has been given? Who decides what is "fairly"?

 

[Enoch111]

Esau was a good person Marks...

We need to go by what the Bible says about Esau, and it clearly says that he was NOT a good person in God's estimation: Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears. (Hebrews 12:16,17)

The Bible calls Esau " a profane person" (KJB). The Greek word βέβηλος means "ungodly" or "unhallowed". Then we have to look at the history of Israel (from Jacob) and Edom (from Esau). The Edomites were bitter enemies of the Israelites. God put a curse on Edom.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

That God is not a respector of persons does not mean that He treats everyone the same. He chose out Israel from among the other nations, Are we somehow suggesting He was WRONG to do so? Of course not!

Much love!

Agreed. Not being a respector of persons means not showing favoritism I always thought. Grace is grace and not based on merit, or choosing soup over an inheritance. This can also suggest that God's plans or responses are not drafted based on man's good or evil acts, they were already in place. Therefore His hate for Esau or anyone else is a feeling but also a fixed state that reprobates cannot escape ... part of the plan, foreseen by God before the foundation. Oops that's going to start a war against "predestination".

 

[bbyrd009]

Why assume that?

Much love!

well, maybe bc we eat red stew too?

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm familiar with the story. Do you then reject this as a telling of actual events? If this is parable, what does it mean to you?

Much love!

ha well the q might be that if it is a telling of actual events, what does it mean to you, marks

we got a barely older brother who sells his birthright for a bowl of "red stew, or he would die" made by his younger, barely, brother, who doesnt eat any, when mom is right across the field, and so the younger barely brother supposedly inherits, only he doesnt, as he is the one who leaves and goes walkabout, while Esau gets the land, or inherits to all appearances, right?

i mean, with some subterfuge about dressing up in sheepskin to appear as Esau, that will only make more sense down the road--way down the road, maybe, the way things are going--but basically thats it (for part 1)

 

[bbyrd009]

and about part 2 i dunno...i guess when someone identifies the red stew--one guy from here, just one--we can maybe go there
so, what is Red Stew that you gotta eat, or you will die?