I Believe the Bible is Our Instruction Manual

[amigo de christo]

I've come to think that as we read and learn and meditate on Scripture that this works to re-write our minds to think Scripturally. I think the Bible is our Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. I also think the Bible is the blueprint to a new mind.

I think that as we learn it's teachings, we should keep them framed in the Scriptural language. That as we consider our lives and our world, that we do so in Scriptural terms. As we characterize choices and actions and behaviors, we should do so according to Biblical definitions.

I'm reading posts that seem to set the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit at odds with each other, but I don't think that is so. The Holy Spirit inspired the Scriptures. If you want to hear from the Holy Spirit, listen in your heart, and read the Bible. And if anything in your heart doesn't match with the Bible, stick with the Bible.

Much love!

look at how anti christ the bbb new world global social order is . and folks follow this . Listen to their own words
and how they mock God . This new system that so many think is so well and good , IS THE BEAST SYSTEM
and serves the agenda of ANTI CHRIST . The BBB knew what they were doing all along .

 

[bro.tan]

I've come to think that as we read and learn and meditate on Scripture that this works to re-write our minds to think Scripturally. I think the Bible is our Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. I also think the Bible is the blueprint to a new mind.

I agree with you the Bible is a blueprint to a new mind, starting with repentance and baptism. If we truly love God, then we will obey "Every word" that proceeds out of his mouth (Matthew 4:4). Baptism is one of those words. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place: You must give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. Then Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38). But let's go further and see what added to this in Romans 6: 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

I think that as we learn it's teachings, we should keep them framed in the Scriptural language. That as we consider our lives and our world, that we do so in Scriptural terms. As we characterize choices and actions and behaviors, we should do so according to Biblical definitions.

I'm reading posts that seem to set the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit at odds with each other, but I don't think that is so. The Holy Spirit inspired the Scriptures. If you want to hear from the Holy Spirit, listen in your heart, and read the Bible. And if anything in your heart doesn't match with the Bible, stick with the Bible.

Much love!

 

[bro.tan]

A Christian is either guided by 1) the law or 2) the Holy Spirit. If you depend on the written law(s) then you are using your mind -- what you have read -- instead of heeding the Holy Spirit's working within.

Do you really need a written law to tell you not to steal or commit adultery or worship idols or commit murder or falsely accuse your neighbor?

You wrote "Throughout the bible we find that in order to receive eternal salvation we must keep God's commandments to the end", but Paul wrote "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God." (Romans 7:4) and "For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing." Galatians 2:19-21

Should I believe you or Paul?

You should believe Paul, because I'm saying the same thing Paul is saying. When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws. These laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us Paul says in (Hebrews 10:4,9-14) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.


When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments.

This mean we must still obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation Paul says in (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12).

Since you where in Romans 7, let's skip down to v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.

 

[bro.tan]

The Lord gave all of his commandments, laws, and statues to the children of Israel to live by and to teach all of the other sons of Adam. "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.” (Exodus 19:5-6)


"Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you. Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Your eyes have seen what the LORD did because of Baalpeor: for all the men that followed Baalpeor, the LORD thy God hath destroyed them from among you. But ye that did cleave unto the LORD your God are alive every one of you this day. Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it. Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people. For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for? And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day? Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons; Specially the day that thou stoodest before the LORD thy God in Horeb, when the LORD said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children.” (Deuteronomy 4:1-10)

Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Numbers 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

"I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever.” Amen. (Romans 9:1-5)

God also made this proclamation: "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” (Isaiah 55:11)

 

[Jim B]

You should believe Paul, because I'm saying the same thing Paul is saying. When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws. These laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us Paul says in (Hebrews 10:4,9-14) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.


When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments.

This mean we must still obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation Paul says in (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12).

Since you where in Romans 7, let's skip down to v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.

Oh please! If you go back a few verses you will read this: "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code." Romans 7:4-6

The written law produces death! Romans 7:8-10, "But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law sin lies dead. I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died, and the very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me." Get it? The law -- the written commandments -- produces death!

Your logic proves even worse when you write "When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments." So all Jesus accomplished was the replacement of animal blood with His blood??? That's all??? Again, read Romans 7:4-6 (above). Christians are dead to the law!!! The written commandments no longer apply! We are led by the Spirit! John 16:13, "When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own but will speak whatever he hears, and he will declare to you the things that are to come." Notice that it says the Spirit guides us into all truth. ALL TRUTH!!! Clearly we don't require the written law (which is a denial of Christ).

We keep God's moral laws of conduct solely by being guided by the Holy Spirit. Even though there is no proof that Paul wrote Hebrews -- another false statement -- it says "For if we willfully persist in sin after having received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins". Nobody who has received the Holy Spirit to be their guide will willfully persist in sin unless they totally ignore His guidance. And it says nothing about keeping God's law. That is your false addition to Scripture!

Finally, Romans 7:9-13 says, "I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died, and the very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. For sin, seizing an opportunity in the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good.

Did what is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin that was working death in me through what is good, in order that it might be shown to be sin, so that through the commandment sin might become sinful beyond measure."

You would do well to read 2 Corinthians 3:1-11 and pay attention to what it clearly says: "Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Surely we do not need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you or from you, do we? You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by all, and you show that you are a letter of Christ, prepared by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets that are human hearts.

Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are qualified of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our qualification is from God, who has made us qualified to be ministers of a new covenant, not of letter but of spirit, for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Now if the ministry of death(!), chiseled in letters on stone tablets, came in glory so that the people of Israel could not gaze at Moses’s face because of the glory of his face, a glory now set aside, how much more will the ministry of the Spirit come in glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, much more does the ministry of justification abound in glory! Indeed, what once had glory [the written law] has in this respect lost its glory because of the greater glory [of the Spirit], for if what was set aside came through glory, much more has the permanent [ministry of the Holy Spirit] come in glory!" [my added comments]

You either live by the law, which brings death or by the Spirit, who brings life. That is the basis of the New Covenant.

 

[bro.tan]

Oh please! If you go back a few verses you will read this: "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code." Romans 7:4-6

The written law produces death! Romans 7:8-10, "But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law sin lies dead. I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died, and the very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me." Get it? The law -- the written commandments -- produces death!

Your logic proves even worse when you write "When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments." So all Jesus accomplished was the replacement of animal blood with His blood??? That's all??? Again, read Romans 7:4-6 (above). Christians are dead to the law!!! The written commandments no longer apply! We are led by the Spirit! John 16:13, "When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own but will speak whatever he hears, and he will declare to you the things that are to come." Notice that it says the Spirit guides us into all truth. ALL TRUTH!!! Clearly we don't require the written law (which is a denial of Christ).

We keep God's moral laws of conduct solely by being guided by the Holy Spirit. Even though there is no proof that Paul wrote Hebrews -- another false statement -- it says "For if we willfully persist in sin after having received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins". Nobody who has received the Holy Spirit to be their guide will willfully persist in sin unless they totally ignore His guidance. And it says nothing about keeping God's law. That is your false addition to Scripture!

Finally, Romans 7:9-13 says, "I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died, and the very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. For sin, seizing an opportunity in the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good.

Did what is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin that was working death in me through what is good, in order that it might be shown to be sin, so that through the commandment sin might become sinful beyond measure."

You would do well to read 2 Corinthians 3:1-11 and pay attention to what it clearly says: "Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Surely we do not need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you or from you, do we? You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by all, and you show that you are a letter of Christ, prepared by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets that are human hearts.

Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are qualified of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our qualification is from God, who has made us qualified to be ministers of a new covenant, not of letter but of spirit, for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Now if the ministry of death(!), chiseled in letters on stone tablets, came in glory so that the people of Israel could not gaze at Moses’s face because of the glory of his face, a glory now set aside, how much more will the ministry of the Spirit come in glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, much more does the ministry of justification abound in glory! Indeed, what once had glory [the written law] has in this respect lost its glory because of the greater glory [of the Spirit], for if what was set aside came through glory, much more has the permanent [ministry of the Holy Spirit] come in glory!" [my added comments]

You either live by the law, which brings death or by the Spirit, who brings life. That is the basis of the New Covenant.

First let me say that God had Peter to clearly warn us about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

You running to all the verses that looks like it's doing away with the Royal law. When I showed you in the Bible that Paul talks about two different Laws, you refuse to believe it, Paul and the other apostles talks about two different death in the Bible. Are we to believe that God’s holy commandments are no longer to be kept in this world of modern Christianity? Paul told you to; (2Tim. 2:15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, (not man) a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. You must rightfully divide the word of God, you must find out where every thing fits because fit it does.

When Paul talks about being saved, he’s speaking of the creation being save from hell fire. The Death that Adam cause the creation was the second death, not the first, there would not have been a white throne judgement if we didn't have grace. Meaning that all the Prophets and righteous people back then, would have been in the second death.

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.

We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, not the first death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

 

[Jim B]

First let me say that God had Peter to clearly warn us about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

You running to all the verses that looks like it's doing away with the Royal law. When I showed you in the Bible that Paul talks about two different Laws, you refuse to believe it, Paul and the other apostles talks about two different death in the Bible. Are we to believe that God’s holy commandments are no longer to be kept in this world of modern Christianity? Paul told you to; (2Tim. 2:15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, (not man) a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. You must rightfully divide the word of God, you must find out where every thing fits because fit it does.

When Paul talks about being saved, he’s speaking of the creation being save from hell fire. The Death that Adam cause the creation was the second death, not the first, there would not have been a white throne judgement if we didn't have grace. Meaning that all the Prophets and righteous people back then, would have been in the second death.

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.

We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, not the first death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

a) You're wrong.
b) I won't discuss this with you any further.

Put yourself under the law and deny Christ. It's your decision. I'm done trying to teach you.

 

[amigo de christo]

Oh please! If you go back a few verses you will read this: "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code." Romans 7:4-6

The written law produces death! Romans 7:8-10, "But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law sin lies dead. I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died, and the very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me." Get it? The law -- the written commandments -- produces death!

Your logic proves even worse when you write "When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments." So all Jesus accomplished was the replacement of animal blood with His blood??? That's all??? Again, read Romans 7:4-6 (above). Christians are dead to the law!!! The written commandments no longer apply! We are led by the Spirit! John 16:13, "When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own but will speak whatever he hears, and he will declare to you the things that are to come." Notice that it says the Spirit guides us into all truth. ALL TRUTH!!! Clearly we don't require the written law (which is a denial of Christ).

We keep God's moral laws of conduct solely by being guided by the Holy Spirit. Even though there is no proof that Paul wrote Hebrews -- another false statement -- it says "For if we willfully persist in sin after having received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins". Nobody who has received the Holy Spirit to be their guide will willfully persist in sin unless they totally ignore His guidance. And it says nothing about keeping God's law. That is your false addition to Scripture!

Finally, Romans 7:9-13 says, "I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died, and the very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. For sin, seizing an opportunity in the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good.

Did what is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin that was working death in me through what is good, in order that it might be shown to be sin, so that through the commandment sin might become sinful beyond measure."

You would do well to read 2 Corinthians 3:1-11 and pay attention to what it clearly says: "Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Surely we do not need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you or from you, do we? You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by all, and you show that you are a letter of Christ, prepared by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets that are human hearts.

Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are qualified of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our qualification is from God, who has made us qualified to be ministers of a new covenant, not of letter but of spirit, for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Now if the ministry of death(!), chiseled in letters on stone tablets, came in glory so that the people of Israel could not gaze at Moses’s face because of the glory of his face, a glory now set aside, how much more will the ministry of the Spirit come in glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, much more does the ministry of justification abound in glory! Indeed, what once had glory [the written law] has in this respect lost its glory because of the greater glory [of the Spirit], for if what was set aside came through glory, much more has the permanent [ministry of the Holy Spirit] come in glory!" [my added comments]

You either live by the law, which brings death or by the Spirit, who brings life. That is the basis of the New Covenant.

The problem with some folks is they somehow think the Spirit came to allow us to sin .
Rather , quite the opposite . To teach us not to sin and to do good .
Let us remember that for finding fault with THEM , GOD brought about the new covenant .
Whereas we can now worship HIM as HE desires to be worshipped . IN SPIRIT and IN TRUTH .
JESUS came to set us free FROM SIN not free to SIN but from sin .
The SPIRIT instructs us . Those who are of the SPIRIT , HEED the things of the SPIRIT
and those who are of the flesh heed the things of the flesh . YE shall indeed know them by their fruits . Never , ever ,
evah forget that . Too many folks for too many years been LYING to us all . Clever men , decievers crept in and led
many a church down the broad road . But by grace i have come to remind us all of the pure and holy way in CHRIST
and to rebuke all falsehoods and lies which have long led men astray . And i aint alone either
THERE is a true remenant of true lambs who are standing up against the wiles of men who for years have sold out the flocks
to a lie . THE LORD IS WITH HIS LAMBS and HIS LAMBS are gonna Teach all to observe ALL THINGS JESUS taught
as well as the true apostels in that bible taught . NO compromise for lambs . WE LOVE THE LORD
for GOD has shed upon our hearts HIS LOVE which loveth truth and not lies and puts GOD , CHRIST FIRST
and loves GOD , CHRIST above all and THEN our neighbor as our self . WE WONT COMPROMISE
and this will cost the true lambs , BUT ALL IS GAIN FOR JESUS , whether we live die or suffer , ALL IS GAIN FOR CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

A bible believing JESUS following lamb will not compromise . AND OUR liberal one world govt KNOWS THIS VERY WELL .
It shall rage war against the lambs , but the lambs win cause JESUS has already won . whether we live or die
we are HIS and HE is with the lambs .

 

[Jim B]

The problem with some folks is they somehow think the Spirit came to allow us to sin .
Rather , quite the opposite . To teach us not to sin and to do good .
Let us remember that for finding fault with THEM , GOD brought about the new covenant .
Whereas we can now worship HIM as HE desires to be worshipped . IN SPIRIT and IN TRUTH .
JESUS came to set us free FROM SIN not free to SIN but from sin .
The SPIRIT instructs us . Those who are of the SPIRIT , HEED the things of the SPIRIT
and those who are of the flesh heed the things of the flesh . YE shall indeed know them by their fruits . Never , ever ,
evah forget that . Too many folks for too many years been LYING to us all . Clever men , decievers crept in and led
many a church down the broad road . But by grace i have come to remind us all of the pure and holy way in CHRIST
and to rebuke all falsehoods and lies which have long led men astray . And i aint alone either
THERE is a true remenant of true lambs who are standing up against the wiles of men who for years have sold out the flocks
to a lie . THE LORD IS WITH HIS LAMBS and HIS LAMBS are gonna Teach all to observe ALL THINGS JESUS taught
as well as the true apostels in that bible taught . NO compromise for lambs . WE LOVE THE LORD
for GOD has shed upon our hearts HIS LOVE which loveth truth and not lies and puts GOD , CHRIST FIRST
and loves GOD , CHRIST above all and THEN our neighbor as our self . WE WONT COMPROMISE
and this will cost the true lambs , BUT ALL IS GAIN FOR JESUS , whether we live die or suffer , ALL IS GAIN FOR CHRIST .

I am not one of those folks who thinks somehow that the Spirit came to allow us to sin (if that's what you're implying).. The Spirit was given us to guide us into all truth.

I agree with the above, except I question that "too many folks for too many years been LYING to us all . Clever men , decievers crept in and led many a church down the broad road". What is your evidence for this?
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[Enoch111]

...but Jesus said that He would ask the Father (God), and He would send us the Holy Spirit who will guide us into all truth. He didn't say to read the Bible and that would suffice.

THE BIBLE = ALL TRUTH. So in fact the Bible should suffice with the guidance of the Holy Spirit (2 Tim 3:16,17). Catholics love to say that the Bible is insufficient, But that is false.

 

[Jim B]

A bible believing JESUS following lamb will not compromise . AND OUR liberal one world govt KNOWS THIS VERY WELL .
It shall rage war against the lambs , but the lambs win cause JESUS has already won . whether we live or die
we are HIS and HE is with the lambs .

There is no "liberal one world govt". That is just your paranoia.

 

[bro.tan]

a) You're wrong.
b) I won't discuss this with you any further.

Put yourself under the law and deny Christ. It's your decision. I'm done trying to teach you.

That's cool, so I'll end this with Paul saying also concerning the unchangeable Royal Law of God. (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. And you thought love was kissing and hugging and rolling around in bed. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. So if you say that you know God, but you don’t keep his commandments, lets see what the Lord had specially written for you. (See exodus 20: 1-17)

(1John 2:3-4) (v.3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (v.4) he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[Jim B]

Romans 6:14-15, "For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace."

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[bro.tan]

Romans 6:14-15, "For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace."

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Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death.

But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

 

[Jim B]

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death.

But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

It's clear that you don't understand the love God has for His children.

God is not fickle! He is never going to adopt a child then kick them out if they misbehave.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Yes, but there is a Vast Difference between Grace in a dispensation and Today's:
Dispensation Of GRACE!

It's clear that you don't understand the love God has for His children.

God is not fickle! He is never going to adopt a child then kick them out if they misbehave.

Amen, NOT under the law, But, Under GRACE, God's LOVE for HIS children =
understanding, According To The Many Plain And Clear GRACE Scriptures:

From birth:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
+
Throughout ETERNITY!:
God's Eternal Assurance

Praise HIS Wonderful Name For ETERNITY!!!

 

[bro.tan]

It's clear that you don't understand the love God has for His children.

God is not fickle! He is never going to adopt a child then kick them out if they misbehave.

If you truly love God, then you will obey "Every word" that proceeds out of his mouth (Matthew 4:4). Baptism is one of those words. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place: You must give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. You must be taught "The Word", before you can adhere to God's commandments (judgments\statues). These laws are found in the Holy Bible; beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation. You must believe what the bible says and finally, you must confess that Jesus is Lord. Once this has been accomplished, you are qualified to be baptized in the name of Jesus.

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38).

 

[Jim B]

If you truly love God, then you will obey "Every word" that proceeds out of his mouth (Matthew 4:4). Baptism is one of those words. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place: You must give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. You must be taught "The Word", before you can adhere to God's commandments (judgments\statues). These laws are found in the Holy Bible; beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation. You must believe what the bible says and finally, you must confess that Jesus is Lord. Once this has been accomplished, you are qualified to be baptized in the name of Jesus.

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38).

This is putting people under the law or, more properly, your newly-invented law. Christians are dead to the law: "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code." Romans 7:4-6

 

[bro.tan]

This is putting people under the law or, more properly, your newly-invented law. Christians are dead to the law: "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code." Romans 7:4-6

First let me say that God had Peter to clearly warn us about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

That Law Paul is talking about in verse 4-6 is referring to the animal Sacrificial law, Paul explained this in; (Hebrews 10: (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (20) by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) and having an high priest over the house of God; (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).

Now let's see why it's hard for some people to miss understand Paul writing, we will see a change in the law, Paul will talk about the Royal law (Commandments) in the next verse in Romans 7: (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law.

(v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.