Any thoughts on this? No exploding heads please.

[stunnedbygrace]

That depends on you. People can be very different from each other, you realize.

Ok, I think we've covered the material. I've been addressing who these "sons of God" were, as the Bible uses that term.

Much love!

But you just said that depends on each person whether they see two different groups of beings or one group of beings being discussed, because people can be very different from each other. So how will we define “as the Bible uses that term,” if “that depends on you?”

 

[stunnedbygrace]

We are currently nursing a topic that was infected with gene therapy editing.
The resulting pandemic from these widespread/global gene therapy injections yielded GIGANTIC Proportions of negative mitochondrial effects within the human and animal populations whereby the termination of such existence was the only means available to preserve and procure a generation of human and animal geneticly qualified biological copients for further advancement of procreating populations of said "Kinds".

And not only that but a bot heard our discussion was biology and genetics and posted spam it thought some of us might be interested in…about med/surg nursing degrees… That thread forest started on chatGPT is mixing all in my mind like, eeeew!

 

[David in NJ]

But you just said that depends on each person whether they see two different groups of beings or one group of beings being discussed, because people can be very different from each other. So how will we define “as the Bible uses that term,” if “that depends on you?”

Your definition can be found in Romans ch12

"Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men."

 

[stunnedbygrace]

What has been hidden from the minds of men is this = His Word is a Children's Book, adults find it frustratingly simple and feel the need to make corrections 'on their own'.

If you find the Bible simple, you are wiser than Solomon. Wiser even than chatGPT…

 

[David in NJ]

If you find the Bible simple, you are wiser than Solomon. Wiser even than chatGPT…

Everyone who is Called by the Father unto His Son and has received the Second Promise of the Father, is wiser then Solomon concerning Truth.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Everyone who is Called by the Father unto His Son and has received the Second Promise of the Father, is wiser then Solomon concerning Truth.

You’re speaking in a KJV dialect unto me.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

We are currently nursing a topic that was infected with gene therapy editing.
The resulting pandemic from these widespread/global gene therapy injections yielded GIGANTIC Proportions of negative mitochondrial effects within the human and animal populations whereby the termination of such existence was the only means available to preserve and procure a generation of human and animal geneticly qualified biological copients for further advancement of procreating populations of said "Kinds".

Animal populations got the shot…? Why did I never hear about that? I’m skeptical about that.
Do you mean in animal trials that there is suspicion were not conducted?
I guess if there were then white lab Rats are infected, but whole populations of animals? Mmmm…

 

[David in NJ]

You’re speaking in a KJV dialect unto me.

i use biblehub.com to compare versions and most importantly is the use of Strongs Concordance for word definitions and usage in Scripture.

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15

 

[David in NJ]

Animals got the shot…? Why did I never hear about that? I’m skeptical about that.

Yes, they have been injecting animals directly as well as GMO crops and spraying.
They have a End Time Agenda that is now in full operation and will only get worse = like the recent destruction of large scale chicken/egg farms.

 

[David in NJ]

Animals got the shot…? Why did I never hear about that? I’m skeptical about that.

Many evil deeds they have committed we will not learn of until after we leave this earth.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

i use biblehub.com to compare versions and most importantly is the use of Strongs Concordance for word definitions and usage in Scripture.

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15

Okay…

 

[marks]

At a certain point you just have to laugh.

I get that we, as humans, have to have a certain amount of…stored biases/pre-formed ideas from experience that we apply to some things. Otherwise, every time we faced something a second and third and tenth time, we would have to learn what it was again. HUGE waste of time and doubtful we would survive long.

But we absolutely can, and often do, when reading scripture, apply biases that we should not. Are we trying to save time when we read scripture? Of course not. We are trying to learn, not save time.

It really depends on how one approaches the reading of the Bible.

We all have our different approach, and I'm am far less willing to not use a word's normal meaning. When I say normal meaning, what I mean is this.

Prayerfully, I look at every place that a word, in its various forms, or term, maybe a group of words like this, "sons of God", and I look for any passage which in it's context shows a definitive meaning. I look for the commonality of the usages. I look for any exceptions. I look for ambiguous occurances.

In some cases I find that it always means the same thing every time, that the context is clear in each instance, and it's always the same. When I see this, I have confidence that this is exactly as it appears.

In some cases I find clear contexts that show various meanings, maybe two, maybe three. Peirasmsos is a good example of this, as sometimes it means to put to the test, other times it means to entice to sin. The concept is the same, to present some contrary thing or experience or idea or something. The one who is firm against sin is tested, and that testing proves their faith. The one who is tempted is considering the sin, being aroused in their lust.

I look to see the specific meaning, or range of meaning, and examine the contexts of each usage to see how it fits. I look at how different translators handle the different passages, and what the commentators and lexicons say. But primarily I take in how the Bible uses the word(s).

I take these meanings and go back through every place the word appears, and see how they fit the contexts, using the unambiguous to show the meaning of the ambiguous.

It's like death being separation, the separation of the soul from the body leaves a corpse. The separation of the spirit from God leaves a soul in a body, but without a spirit. You can take your preceptions and cultural background and say, death is when that body stops functioning, and that's partly right, but that's more the result of death (separation) than what death itself is. Limiting the meaning of death to "the body stops working" doesn't include "dead in trespasses and sin", however, separation does.

And people have very different sorts of minds. Just one example, consider the Autism Spectrum, and how that can impact how people process things. Autism can create specialization in the mind, for numbers, or language, or spatial relationships. Have you read about or seen movies about Temple Grandin? She's amazing! And she has a very different sort of mind. There are many things that can make us very different from each other. Another amazing thing is that in His Word He speaks to us all!

Much love!

 

[marks]

We don’t just take it like we find it. None of us do. We take it through filters of our own assumptions, assumptions of others, learned doctrines we hear repeated, life experiences, prejudices, hopes, fears, and more I haven’t listed.

It depends on you whether this is what you do, or if you have learned to set such things aside and just look at the Book for what God Himself says.

For me, this kind of word study occupies me for hours at a time, over the course of as many days are needed depending on how many places a word is used.

For me, this kind of study is a very good tool to prevent me from doing exactly what you say everyone does.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Prayerfully, I look at every place that a word, in its various forms, or term, maybe a group of words like this, "sons of God", and I look for any passage which in it's context shows a definitive meaning. I look for the commonality of the usages. I look for any exceptions. I look for ambiguous occurances.

Except you couldn’t possibly have done that concerning phrases of: sons of God, Gods children and God calling anyone “My Son.” So that’s not what convinced you of your view. You did not prayerfully look them up and read them. I know you didn’t because I did and I found:
God calling humans Sons/sons of God/My son: 20x
In any way Possible for your opinion: 3x
Gen 6:1 + 6:2
Job 1:6

And yet you are insistent and have a firm belief/view about it. Which proves my point about how we filter scripture. You never studied that, you simply filtered it.

 

[David in NJ]

Except you couldn’t possibly have done that concerning phrases of: sons of God, Gods children and God calling anyone “My Son.” So that’s not what convinced you of your view. You did not prayerfully look them up and read them. I know you didn’t because I did and I found:
God calling humans Sons/sons of God/My son: 20x
In any way Possible for your opinion: 3x
Gen 6:1 + 6:2
Job 1:6

And yet you are insistent and have a firm belief/view about it. Which proves my point about how we filter scripture. You never studied that, you simply filtered it.

Gen ch6 and Job 1:6 "sons of God" only refers to angels.

Please post the scripture reference where the term "sons of God" refers to all humans - thank you.

 

[marks]

Except you couldn’t possibly have done that concerning phrases of: sons of God, Gods children and God calling anyone “My Son.”

I've been addressing who these "sons of God" were, as the Bible uses that term.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Again, looking at the term "sons of God", and I'm not going to argue with you over whether I did or not.

Much love!

Okay, so it has to ONLY be “sons of God.” It cannot be child of God, children of God or “My son, Israel,” or adopted sons, or sons by adoption.
You have, in lawyerly fashion, struck quite a few of the verses. My list took heavy shelling. But…I’m still ahead. You still have the few questionable verses the doctrine was built on.
So I still ask, how did you come to your firm belief on this?

Whichever of the angels did God ever say to, you are My Son?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Much love!

Okay. And what did you end up with?
And by the way, you have helped me very much, so thank you.

 

[Taken]

sons of God means men of a certain bloodline that would branch off and be uncorrupted to bring forth Jesus from (the Branch and Shoot the prophets spoke of, how about that! The branching off, a branch from a family tree, the branch of the bloodline) and so they weren’t supposed to mate with another human, branching bloodline that the angels (now imprisoned) taught/tricked men to mingle their seed with, committing sexual sin with who they weren’t supposed to. I think they taught them more than just to do that sin because those children were TALL! But that’s another topic. (Think along the line of the sin of balaam, who taught the king how to trick the Israelites to commit sexual sin). It was cains “marked” bloodline the men weren’t supposed to mingle with the daughters of. Cain was marked so no one from the chosen bloodline WOULD mate with his line.

Do you think all, or even part of this, could be shown from scripture?

Multiple topics, and yes each one can be studied Scripturally in depth, IMO.
In depth meaning, applicability of the basics, who, what, when, where, why...
I always view that as important following Gods Order and Way, bit by bit, little by little as God keeps secret and then reveals.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Are you counting marks?
Oh. No, you’re probably leaving work. Have a safe drive.