23 major reasons to reject the Premil doctrine!

[Jay Ross]

It is so sad that some members on this forum believe their own dribble on the context of the bible and what it states. Sadly, the changes to the translations that we use today add to their/our confusion.

Shalom

 

[Jay Ross]

Better exhume Paul and inform him and the Holy Spirit of their ignorance.

Why should I do that when you have posted that fact of their ignorance because your understanding of the original context is not in line with that original context. Your contextual understanding is so different that the conclusion/interpretation you believe is the lie. As such, it is you who is informing Paul and the Holy Spirit of their respective ignorance based on your understanding.

Oh well, such is life.

 

[covenantee]

Why should I do that when you have posted that fact of their ignorance because your understanding of the original context is not in line with that original context. Your contextual understanding is so different that the conclusion/interpretation you believe is the lie. As such, it is you who is informing Paul and the Holy Spirit of their respective ignorance based on your understanding.

Oh well, such is life.

I've asked you to favor us with your truth on Romans 9:6-8.

Thus far you've refused.

So what is "the lie" that you believe?

 

[Truth7t7]

Your contextual understanding is so different that the conclusion/interpretation you believe is the lie. As such, it is you who is informing Paul and the Holy Spirit of their respective ignorance based on your understanding.

Oh well, such is life.

I would say the same of your claims of "All Israel Shall Be Saved" being only those having Jacob's DNA

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Jay Ross]

I've asked you to favor us with your truth on Romans 9:6-8.

Thus far you've refused.

So what is "the lie" that you believe?

I would say the same of your claims of "All Israel Shall Be Saved" being only those having Jacob's DNA

Jesus Is The Lord

Can I thank you for forcing me to look a little harder at the contextual English translation error contained in Romans 11:26. It seems to me that you both have been hung up on the English translation of the Greek Word "pas" as "all".

I have been consistently posting that it is above my pay grade as to who God shows mercy to from among the descendants of Isaac. It is God's business as to who from among the descendants of Israel He will show mercy too and as such I have carefully chosen to not attempt to define the who from among the Israelites God will save, because I will probably get it all wrong as to whom God will chose. The same is also true with respect to those who are of Gentile descendant. God will show mercy to those from among the Gentiles just as He will show mercy to those from among the Israelites. This is what I had previously posted: -

As I have previously said to you, you need to do due diligence on what Paul was actually stating in Romans 9:25. Your paraphrasing of this verse is not what Paul had written.

Paul is making reference to the fullness of the time, with respect to the time period, allocated, of the Gentiles, to trample God's Sanctuary and Earthly Hosts, is completed, after that, all of Israel will be saved.

Your statement of what is presumed to be Paul's context, bears no resemblance to the context of what Paul had actually written.

But you are telling everybody that you are protecting God's word to us through the scriptures, while you also are presenting a false understanding of what the scriptures teach.

I to had blindly accepted the translators' translation of verse 26. What I should have written above is "After that, those of Israel will be saved."

Who the "those of Israel" are, is God's business, and we should not be trying to define or judge, who they are. We do not contain enough wisdom to be able to do just that, particularly when we are told in the OT that, in the times to come, Gentiles will grab the sleeve of an Israelite and ask to be shown the way to Mt. Zion.

 

[Christian Gedge]

I would say the same of your claims of "All Israel Shall Be Saved" being only those having Jacob's DNA

Jesus Is The Lord

Yes, of course. However, I do think that there will be a large revival to Jesus Messiah in modern Israel as the end-time progresses.

And yes, Jesus is the Lord.

 

[covenantee]

What I should have written above is "After that, those of Israel will be saved."

Here is the Greek, and English translation, of Romans 11:26.

It does not agree with what you claim you should have written.

Re. God's choice: If it is not contingent upon faith and obedience, then the entirety of humankind of all time is doomed.

But thanks be to Him, His Word conveys His Truth.

Those of faith and obedience in and to Him and His Son are His Chosen People.

Past, present, and future.

Immutably.

 

[WPM]

Smile. Oh well such is your ignorance.

It is clear that you are unwilling or unable to address the Scriptures presented. Name-calling is inadmissible.

 

[Jay Ross]

It is clear that you are unwilling or unable to address the Scriptures presented. Name-calling is inadmissible.

Please, are you saying this with a straight face? LOL.

 

[Jay Ross]

Here is the Greek, and English translation, of Romans 11:26.

Yes, I was referencing that available tool also in what I had posted. It is only a guide for us to use. It is the work of men trying to understand God and what is to come.

 

[covenantee]

Yes, I was referencing that available tool also in what I had posted. It is only a guide for us to use. It is the work of men trying to understand God and what is to come.

Please provide a link to your interpretation from a recognized publisher.

Note that it would also be the work of men.

 

[covenantee]

Yes, I was referencing that available tool also in what I had posted. It is only a guide for us to use. It is the work of men trying to understand God and what is to come.

Here is an exhaustive list of English translations of Romans 11:26.

Not one affirms yours.

 

[Jay Ross]

Please provide a link to your interpretation from a recognized publisher.

Note that it would also be the work of men.

Should I be quoting your words as an authoritative source to use and would that be acceptable for you.

Oh, you are a mere mortal, just like me, and if you are claiming that I am in error, then your error must be far greater.

 

[Jay Ross]

Here is an exhaustive list of English translations of Romans 11:26.

Not one affirms yours.

So, what you have provided is proof that the available translations that you have referenced, all contain the same contextual error.

 

[covenantee]

Should I be quoting your words as an authoritative source to use and would that be acceptable for you.

Oh, you are a mere mortal, just like me, and if you are claiming that I am in error, then your error must be far greater.

My words are simply quotes.

So don't quote me.

Just quote what I've quoted.

OK with you?

 

[covenantee]

So, what you have provided is proof that the available translations that you have referenced, all contain the same contextual error.

Thanks for the Sunday afternoon (in Canada) entertainment.

Still awaiting your translation from a recognized publisher.

 

[Jay Ross]

Thanks for the Sunday afternoon (in Canada) entertainment.

Still awaiting your translation from a recognized publisher.

Will God do? LOL

 

[covenantee]

Will God do? LOL

Did you ask His permission?

 

[Jay Ross]

Did you ask His permission?

If God was not going to be acceptable to you, then there is no point in taking it any further.

 

[covenantee]

If God was not going to be acceptable to you, then there is no point in taking it any further.

God is. You're not.

Don't try to persuade us that you're the sole exegete of Romans 11:26.

Only the cults do such.